Mark,
Thanks for posting this. It's very helpful to know what's going on.
One thing that I didn't get is whether you are going to attempt the
upgrade in parallel or not.
Upgrading/updating is really becoming a bit of an issue with Mailman and
lists that have been in existence for a long while, as you say so much
has changed. However reading the docs from thew FSF it looks like
upgrading from 2.1.x to 3 *can* be done, although some URL links will
break, but I am sure you are aware of that.
Good luck,
Peter
On 15/12/2025 10:01, Mark Bradakis via Healeys wrote:
> There was some discussion on another list regarding list activity of
> late. This is what I wrote, thought some of you might be interested.
>
> =====
>
>
> A lot has changed over the last 35 years or so. When I took over from
> Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, back in the late 80s the
> "Internet" was still a wet behind the ears baby. These days, wow,
> completely different!
>
> This list is a fragment of the original british-cars list. But one
> thing has not changed, and that is my commitment to providing this
> content as best I can, free of charge. Sure there were times when I did
> *everything* by hand, one request at a time, for email address changes,
> additions, deletions. There were times I was belittled for making what
> seemed like arbitrary decisions to the unaware observer. There were
> times I worked 20 - 30 hours a week on Team dot Net, even before it was
> Team dot Net.
>
> These days my workload is way down, thanks to automated email list
> software. But things are always changing when it comes to computers.
> These days it is all still running, but who knows for how long.
>
> Mailman 2, the version I have running on the Team Net server, was
> released in April of 2004. It has long since been shuffled off to
> inactive status as far as the folks maintaining it are concerned. But
> still it chugs along, these days pieced together with chewing gum and
> baling wire.
>
> In case you are wondering:
>
> Â [root@autox data]# uptime
>  15:13:45 up 876 days, 21:00, 1 user, load average: 0.61, 0.55, 0.59
> Â [root@autox data]# uname -a
> Â Linux autox 5.3.11-100.fc29.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 12 20:41:25 UTC 2019
> x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> Yes, the server has not been booted for about 2 and a half years. The
> fc29 in the uname output is the level of Fedora running, last updated in
> 2019. My personal computer is at revision 41. A LOT has changed. I
> fear that if the server goes down, it may never come back up cleanly on
> its own. I am hoping to make it go for at least 1,000 days of
> continuous running. But I'll burn that bridge before we cross it, or
> however the saying goes.
>
> For now, there are people who still enjoy these old lists, still finding
> them useful, and a lot more appealing than mass market social media
> outlets, with advertising you need to wade through to find anything
> worthwhile.
>
> And as long as I am able, I will keep it that way. Enjoy the coming
> festive season!
>
> mjb.
>
> ps:Â A week before the winter solstice, and I just got back from a top
> down drive with the British Motor Club of Utah. Sunny, mid 50s here in
> the Salt Lake area. Unreal!
>
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