From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 1 07:12:56 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: "Ken Bond" Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 06:12:08 -0800 Subject: Re: SFI 45.1 Padding I am planning on using the 45.1 stuff "in the proximity of the helmet" as specified and I'll use the other stuff around the rest of the roll cage. I am assuming that is acceptable. Ken, I'm not 100% sure that this plan is OK. You better fax Steve Batchelor, (661) 944-9676, to get a clarification. Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 1 08:14:24 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 07:29:01 -0800 Subject: Shakin' The Seattle quake reminds me that our racer friend Ken Walkey lives where the ruptured gas line was blazing from under the street after the last big LA quake. I'm sure you all remember those pictures from TV coverage of the event. Luckily, and unlike Ken, Dave Haller and Steve Pitt seem to only have wild memories after yesterday but no damage. Once again it reminds me that we here in Salt Lake City, live along the Wasatch Fault. My wife teaches school and took an "earthquake" class as part of re-certification a few years ago. From her information we know the following; The actual fracture line is 1/2 mile from us, 1/4 mile from USFRA Treasurer, Hugh Coltharp and a few feet from the home of Bonneville radio announcer and record holder Ron Christensen. Dave and Carol Koehler who are one of the primary safety teams on the salt live about 1/2 mile from a point near the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon where seventeen fault lines intersect. Salt Lake (as well as the Bonneville salt flats) is located over an ancient lake bed and should an earthquake hit, liquefaction (as was experienced in the San Francisco earthquakes where the substrate turns to mush) could do the greatest damage. ... and we were wondering what Andy Green breaking the sound barrier with the accompanying shock wave would have done to the Bonneville salt surface! It messed up a 1/2 mile swath on the desert floor at Black Rock. Viewers said the ground looked like scrambled eggs. Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 1 09:52:15 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: ROBERT_BUSBY@udlp.com, basavage@us.ibm.com, Chris@sjbmw.com, Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:38:13 EST Subject: Fwd: (no subject) Return-path: From: Clubschatzi@aol.com Full-name: Clubschatzi Message-ID: <3c.8170c90.27cef41d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:38:53 EST Subject: Fwd: (no subject) To: Nt788@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 117 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Hey Costela can Bush Dance or what? Elizabeth Return-path: From: VHUMBIRD@aol.com Full-name: VHUMBIRD Message-ID: <6d.100987e9.27ce9cdd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:26:37 EST Subject: (no subject) To: DaveLdozier@yahoo.com, Clubschatzi@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain George W. Bush Dance /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 1 10:04:09 2001 From: Dick J To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:03:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: BONNEVILLE SPEED WEEK That subject should have gotten your attention. What happened here? This list wasn't this quiet during Bonneville Speed week. Did everybody get their tax returns done and we ALL ended up owing money, thus, too bummed out to even talk cars?? ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 1 10:16:13 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'land-speed@autox.team.net'" Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:06:05 -0700 Subject: FW: WHO SAID REDNECKS... Hey Keith, Were you the one making the call? Nice one! Dale C. > > WHO SAID REDNECKS ....WEREN'T INTELLIGENT > > Hello, is this the FBI?" > "Yes. What do you want?" > "I'm calling to report about my neighbor Billy Bob Smith! He is hiding > marijuana inside his firewood." > "Thank you very much for the call, sir." > The next day, the FBI agents descend on Billy Bob's house. > They search the shed where the firewood is kept. Using axes, they bust > open every piece of wood, but find no marijuana. They swore at Billy Bob > and left. > > The phone rings at Billy Bob's house. > > "Hey, Billy Bob! Did the FBI come?" > > "Yeah!" > > "Did they chop your firewood?" > > "Yep." > > "Merry Christmas Buddy" > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 1 10:27:48 2001 From: Dick J To: "Clay, Dale" , Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:27:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: WHO SAID REDNECKS... The Rest of the Story > > WHO SAID REDNECKS ....WEREN'T INTELLIGENT > > > > Hello, is this the FBI?" > > "Yes. What do you want?" > > "I'm calling to report about my neighbor > Billy Bob Smith! He is hiding > > marijuana inside his firewood." > > "Thank you very much for the call, sir." > > The next day, the FBI agents descend on Billy > Bob's house. > > They search the shed where the firewood is > kept. Using axes, they bust > > open every piece of wood, but find no > marijuana. They swore at Billy Bob > > and left. > > > > The phone rings at Billy Bob's house. > > > > "Hey, Billy Bob! Did the FBI come?" > > > > "Yeah!" > > > > "Did they chop your firewood?" > > > > "Yep." > > > > "Merry Christmas Buddy" > > The rest of the story: Billy Bob continued: "Hey, and don't forget to call them next month and tell them I'm hidin marijuana buried in my back yard. I need it tilled for the new garden." DJ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 1 10:49:32 2001 From: Joe Amo To: Dick J Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 00:34:13 -0700 Subject: Re: BONNEVILLE SPEED WEEK Something like that. In our case all the extra hrs worked to be able to get bike parts resulted in a huge suprise this year with taxes. Can you say no liquid assets to even come close to paying the extra taxes this year? Quickly remedied, with a re-appraisal of house, new loan for the important things, taxes and enough to likely squeek out the needed data aquisition system, yahoo. Joe Dick J wrote: > That subject should have gotten your attention. > What happened here? This list wasn't this quiet > during Bonneville Speed week. Did everybody get > their tax returns done and we ALL ended up owing > money, thus, too bummed out to even talk cars?? > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 1 19:35:19 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:34:41 EST Subject: car show There is a Corvette club in town that is going to have a show Sunday and they were advertising that one of the cars in the show ran out at Bonneville last year. That is the first time I have heard of anybody in town going to the salt flats. I'll go and see if this is right and let you know his name. I live in Columbia Mo. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 1 21:01:37 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: LGMCAFEE@aol.com Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 21:01:19 -0700 Subject: Re: car show The closest Corvette that I know of is the Troy Aikmen Chevrolet 2000 Vette out od Dallas - Made 2 passes at Speedweek & took home the B/GT record (has a 392 cid motor) Bill (the driver) broke a couple of ribs getting out of the car at the end of the return run (fell on the door cross-bar). But, it could be a "retired" vette coming out of hiding.................. Ed LGMCAFEE@aol.com wrote: > There is a Corvette club in town that is going to have a show Sunday and they > were advertising that one of the cars in the show ran out at Bonneville last > year. That is the first time I have heard of anybody in town going to the > salt flats. I'll go and see if this is right and let you know his name. I > live in Columbia Mo. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 05:29:09 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: "Ed Van Scoy" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 04:28:59 -0800 Subject: Re: car show Made 2 passes at Speedweek & took home the B/GT record ED, list, Although the Troy Akiman/Bill Heishler(sp) Corvette did set the provisional B/GT record at Speedweek the car was not certified for class. The B/GT record remains open at Bonneville. Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 06:26:44 2001 From: "paulblandavon" To: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:24:09 -0000 Subject: roadster classes list, I'm interested to know how the different body requirement rules for roadster/modified roadster came about,i.e. 1928-1938 for roadster and1923-1938 for modified roadster, how did the 5 year differance come about? this isn't one of those "the rules need changing" jobs, I'm just interested in the historical background to the rules, Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 06:32:18 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: paul.blandavon@btinternet.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:31:46 EST Subject: Re: roadster classes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 06:37:15 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: paul.blandavon@btinternet.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:36:42 EST Subject: Re: roadster classes Paul, Good question, 23-27 would be based on Ford Model T's I guess. The 23-25 T body is the same, 26-27 is a more streamlined body. My question is why are the 15-22 bodies not allowed? If you put a 15 and 23 roadster body side by side 99 out of 100 people wouldn't know the differance at a 200MPH glance. Bob in Connecticut, where it is snowing as I type this. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 06:47:25 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Keith Turk , Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 06:44:36 -0800 Subject: FW: WHO SAID REDNECKS... Must have been Brad! Wes ---------- From: "Clay, Dale" Reply-To: "Clay, Dale" Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:06:05 -0700 To: "'land-speed@autox.team.net'" Subject: FW: WHO SAID REDNECKS... Hey Keith, Were you the one making the call? Nice one! Dale C. > > WHO SAID REDNECKS ....WEREN'T INTELLIGENT /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 07:06:40 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Joe Amo , Dick J Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 07:03:57 -0800 Subject: Re: BONNEVILLE SPEED WEEK Joe, Don't forget to increase the withholding percentage for 2001 so you won't have an even nastier surprise in twelve months. It's amazing what working just two days a week, on commission, with the proper number of dependents claimed for withholding, can fail to cover when tax time comes. Wes on 2/28/01 11:34 PM, Joe Amo at jkamo@rapidnet.com wrote: > Something like that. In our case all the extra hrs worked to > be able to get bike parts resulted in a huge suprise this > year with taxes. Can you say no liquid assets to even > come close to paying the extra taxes this year? > > Quickly remedied, with a re-appraisal of house, new loan > for the important things, taxes and enough to likely squeek > out the needed data aquisition system, yahoo. > > Joe > > Dick J wrote: > >> That subject should have gotten your attention. >> What happened here? This list wasn't this quiet >> during Bonneville Speed week. Did everybody get >> their tax returns done and we ALL ended up owing >> money, /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 07:06:43 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 06:06:31 -0800 Subject: Re: roadster classes Good question, 23-27 would be based on Ford Model T's I guess. The 23-25 T body is the same, 26-27 is a more streamlined body. My question is why are the 15-22 bodies not allowed? If you put a 15 and 23 roadster body side by side 99 out of 100 people wouldn't know the differance at a 200MPH glance. Bob, Paul, list, Usually I'm pretty good at history. On this one I have to plead ignorance - the year breaks were already set into the rulebook prior to my arrival in 1963. I don't remember disscussions at rules or board meetings about changing the year breaks, although I'm sure there must have been some in the last 35+ years. The only pre-'27 Ford I know of currently running is Russ Meeks handbuilt '23 XO/FMR. Tom Bryant, do you have some background? Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 07:41:25 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 06:41:10 -0800 Subject: Re: car show hey dan what is new rule about a helmet skirt thanks jack Jack, list, New helmet skirt rule; All drivers, includes motorcycle streamliners, must wear a helmet which meets specs with either a built-in skirt which would go into the suit jacket, or an external helmet skirt. The external skirt is a add on piece which attaches to the outside of the helmet, generally with Velcro. Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 08:57:40 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: "john robinson" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:57:37 -0800 Subject: Re: helmet skirt is this in addition to the head sock. (what's the name, you know, the thingymabobby whatchacallit?)ahhhh whatever... Yes Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 09:04:41 2001 From: "Jim Dincau" To: "Dan Warner" , Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:02:38 -0800 Subject: Re: car show Dan Will a head sock meet this requirement? Jim Dincau ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Warner To: Cc: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 6:41 AM Subject: Re: car show > New helmet skirt rule; > > All drivers, includes motorcycle streamliners, must wear a helmet which > meets specs with either a built-in skirt which would go into the suit > jacket, or an external helmet skirt. The external skirt is a add on piece > which attaches to the outside of the helmet, generally with Velcro. > > Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 09:10:45 2001 From: Ed Van Scoy To: Dan Warner Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:02:11 -0700 Subject: Re: car show Well, that's what I thought..........I helped Bill out a little...........he didn't know how to drain his stock fuel tanks so I showed him how to pump them dry with the fuel pump...... but I didn't see him return to impound after his return run. But, later on I saw the record published, that's where I got confused. Ed Dan Warner wrote: > Made 2 passes at Speedweek & took home the B/GT record > > ED, list, > > Although the Troy Akiman/Bill Heishler(sp) Corvette did set the provisional > B/GT record at Speedweek the car was not certified for class. > > The B/GT record remains open at Bonneville. > > Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 09:13:27 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: "Jim Dincau" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:13:23 -0800 Subject: Re: helmet skirt Jim, list, See post reply to Howard. Headsock meeting SFI 3.3 Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 09:14:20 2001 From: Ed Van Scoy To: Dan Warner Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:07:19 -0700 Subject: Re: car show I read somewhere that the skirt was NOT required if you were wearing a head sock...... Do we need both? Ed Dan Warner wrote: > hey dan what is new rule about a helmet skirt thanks jack > > Jack, list, > > New helmet skirt rule; > > All drivers, includes motorcycle streamliners, must wear a helmet which > meets specs with either a built-in skirt which would go into the suit > jacket, or an external helmet skirt. The external skirt is a add on piece > which attaches to the outside of the helmet, generally with Velcro. > > Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 09:17:06 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: "Ed Van Scoy" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:17:02 -0800 Subject: Re: B/GT record Ed, list, The record was deleted from the final records list. The first release from SCTA/BNI had errors. If others are publishing the records from this list then the error would be present. The official records are on the SCTA/BNI web site. Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 09:18:58 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: "Ed Van Scoy" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:18:42 -0800 Subject: Re: helmet skirt Ed, list, The rule reads that headsock meeting SFI 3.3 or skirt is required. Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 09:21:26 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: "Ed Van Scoy" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:21:09 -0800 Subject: Re: helmet skirt I read somewhere that the skirt was NOT required if you were wearing a head sock...... Do we need both? Forgot to post question on first reply. Headsock meeting SFI 3.3 or skirt is required. Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 11:25:28 2001 From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com To: dwarner@electrorent.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:24:20 EST Subject: HEAD SOCK NOMENCLATURE Dan, when you called the headgear that includes your neck a " thingymabobby whatchacallit " ...... were you thinking of the name, balaclava ? Bruce /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 11:33:36 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:33:00 -0800 Subject: Earnhardt CNN.com has the article written about him in the curret Time Magazine www.cnn.com Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 11:59:19 2001 From: "Jonathan Amo" To: "land-speed@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:58:53 -0700 Subject: SOA on TV Tonight List, Just received this update from Spirit of Amercia, SOA News Alert.......Airing on TV tonight March 2nd, 2001.......6:30pm East Coast and 5:30pm West Coast..... on ABC World News Tonight with Peter Jennings.......reporter Ned Potter.......The Spirit of Adventure.......Craig Breedlove is being interviewed live from his Fabrication Shop in Rio Vista, Ca......Watch for Craig and Spirit of America!!! Jonathan Amo www.landracing.com /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 12:19:29 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:19:25 -0800 Subject: Re: HEAD SOCK NOMENCLATURE " thingymabobby whatchacallit " Bruce, Not my words - these belong to the wordsmith "Rearsteer" John (Howdy) Robinson. You are correct with your name, the catalogs call the piece a headsock(as far as I know). I don't make the rules. Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 13:04:16 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Linda Manchen" , Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:03:39 -0800 Subject: Fw: No space: Leave the place ----- Original Message ----- From: Drfreud99@aol.com To: speedtimer@charter.net Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: No space: Leave the place This sounds like a good precaution to take and it only takes a second to do. How to determine if a mirror is 2-way or not. (Not a joke!) Not to scare you, but to make you aware. This was passed on by a policewoman who travels all over the US and gives seminars and different techniques for businesswomen. HOW TO DETECT A 2-WAY MIRROR When we visit toilets, bathrooms, hotel rooms, changing rooms, etc., how many of you know for sure that the seemingly ordinary mirror that is hanging on the wall is a real mirror, or maybe it's a 2-way mirror? (i.e., they can see you, but you can't see them.) There have been many cases of people installing 2-way mirrors in female changing rooms. It is very difficult to positively identify the surface by just looking at it. So, how do we determine with any amount of certainty what type of mirror we are looking at? Just conduct this simple test: Place the tip of your fingernail against the reflective surface and if there is a GAP between your fingernail and the image of the nail, then it is a GENUINE mirror. On the other hand if the fingernail DIRECTLY TOUCHES the image of your nail, then BEWARE... IT IS A 2-WAY MIRROR! So remember, every time you see a mirror, do the "fingernail test." It doesn't cost you anything. It is simple to do, and it might save you from getting visually raped! Remember: "No Space, leave the place!" Ladies: Share this with your girlfriends. Men: Share this with your wives, daughters, girlfriends or any woman you care about. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 13:20:46 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "landspeed@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:20:11 -0800 Subject: weather Just checked out the weather forecast for the folks down under. The next 5 days in the 90s hope they have a great meet. Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 13:27:30 2001 From: List Administration To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:27:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: Forwarded message: Re: Helmet Rule For some reason, this was sent to me rather than land-speed@autox.team.net. Reply to author, not me. mjb. ---- From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:36:59 EST Subject: Re: Helmet Rule In a message dated 3/2/2001 6:46:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, dwarner@electrorent.com writes: > All drivers, includes motorcycle streamliners, must wear a helmet which > meets specs with either a built-in skirt which would go into the suit > jacket, or an external helmet skirt. The external skirt is a add on piece > which attaches to the outside of the helmet, generally with Velcro. Dan, Will the Nomex head sock satisfy the new rule?????????? Ardun Doug /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 13:28:46 2001 From: List Administration To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:28:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: Forwarded Message: Re: roadster classes For some reason, this was sent to me rather than land-speed@autox.team.net. Reply to author, not me. mjb. ---- From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:34:11 EST Subject: Re: roadster classes In a message dated 3/2/2001 5:39:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, Want1937hd@aol.com writes: > Paul, Good question, 23-27 would be based on Ford Model T's I guess. The > 23-25 T body is the same, 26-27 is a more streamlined body. My question is > why are the 15-22 bodies not allowed? If you put a 15 and 23 roadster body > side by side 99 out of 100 people wouldn't know the differance at a 200MPH > glance. Bob in Connecticut, where it is snowing as I type this. My guess is that the "traditional hiboy roadster" was usually based on the Model "A"(28-31) or the "Deuce"(32), thus the break at 1928 for fuel and gas roadsters. The early modified roadsters were usually the slimmer and smaller "T"'s, usually the 1923-27's, thus the earlier year break. Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 13:33:46 2001 From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" To: "LSR List" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:44:28 -0800 Subject: Re: No space: Leave the place Thanks, Glen. This is a good reminder. I was once taught to use the tip of a pencil to check this, but a finger nail is so much more handy! MeShawn MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler Independent Associates Pre-Paid Legal Services., Inc. email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler ----- Original Message ----- From: "glen barrett" To: "Linda Manchen" ; "Pam Manghelli" ; "Penny & Mike Cook" ; "William McDowell" ; "Chris Shearer" ; "Judy Whitted" ; "Jonathan Amo" Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Fw: No space: Leave the place > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Drfreud99@aol.com > To: speedtimer@charter.net > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 11:47 AM > Subject: No space: Leave the place > > > > > > > > > This sounds like a good precaution to take and it only takes a second to do. > How to determine if a mirror is 2-way or not. (Not a joke!) > Not to scare you, but to make you aware. This was passed on by a policewoman > who travels all over the US and gives seminars and different techniques for > businesswomen. > > HOW TO DETECT A 2-WAY MIRROR When we visit toilets, bathrooms, hotel rooms, > changing rooms, etc., how many of you know for sure that the seemingly > ordinary mirror that is hanging on the wall is a real mirror, or maybe it's > a 2-way mirror? (i.e., they can see you, but you can't see them.) > There have been many cases of people installing 2-way mirrors in female > changing rooms. It is very difficult to positively identify the surface by > just looking at it. So, how do we determine with any amount of certainty > what type of mirror we are looking at? > > Just conduct this simple test: Place the tip of your fingernail against the > reflective surface and if there is a GAP between your fingernail and the > image of the nail, then it is a GENUINE mirror. On the other hand if the > fingernail DIRECTLY TOUCHES the image of your nail, then BEWARE... IT IS A > 2-WAY MIRROR! > > So remember, every time you see a mirror, do the "fingernail test." It > doesn't cost you anything. It is simple to do, and it might save you from > getting visually raped! > > Remember: "No Space, leave the place!" > Ladies: Share this with your girlfriends. > Men: Share this with your wives, daughters, girlfriends or any woman you > care about. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 14:37:21 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Dan Warner" Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 14:37:13 -0700 Subject: Re: B/GT record As always, thanks for the clarification. Ed Dan Warner wrote: > Ed, list, > > The record was deleted from the final records list. The first release from > SCTA/BNI had errors. If others are publishing the records from this list > then the error would be present. The official records are on the SCTA/BNI > web site. > > Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 17:11:02 2001 From: "Richard J. Hockert, Esq." To: Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:10:46 -0600 Subject: Jeep air valve (Not land speed related) About two months ago there was a thread about having to replace the idle air valve and TPS on Jeeps with 318 c.i. engines. I am looking for the source to buy the air valve after market. Someone posted a source and I can't seem to locate the message through searching. Would someone please be kind enough to repost that source? Thanks very much. Jim Hockert /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 17:39:24 2001 From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:49:53 -0800 Subject: Roadster show List,=20 If any of you are in the Seattle/Tacoma area and know anything about an = upcoming roadster show I would appreciate more info. I caught the = tail-end of a radio ad about it and am trying to get my dad to come out = in time for the show. Unfortunately, I'm not sure of the date, venue = etc. and can't find the info anywhere (because I want it now haha). So, = if any of you know about it, I'd appreciate any info you can give me. Thanks, MeShawn MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler Independent Associates Pre-Paid Legal Services=AE, Inc. email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of MeShawn Fowler.vcf] /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 2 23:20:09 2001 From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" To: , "LSR List" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:30:54 -0800 Subject: Fw: Roadster show ARRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!! Forgot to remove the trailer the first time I sent this. From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" To: "Land Speed List" ; Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:28 PM Subject: Re: Roadster show > Well, as is usually the case, I was able to find the info on it about 10 > minutes after I posted my request lol. I do appreciate the feedback though. > For any of you on the list who are interested in attending, the event is the > Seattle Roadster Show and will be held from March 15-18 at the Stadium > Exhibition Center in Seattle. For more info you can go to > www.hotrodshows.com > > MeShawn > > > MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler > Independent Associates > Pre-Paid Legal Services., Inc. > email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com > web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " saltsix" > To: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:21 PM > Subject: RE: Roadster show > > > > I hope its not the Portland roadster show as I think it was this week > > end.Try listening to 97.3KBSG.They will have it for sure.In the meantime I > > will let you know as soon as my partner comes over with this years sched. > > Ray Hedstrom > > INLINEFEVER > > 1941 chev. cooooooooop /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 08:32:25 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: fowlers6@home.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:31:47 EST Subject: Re: No space: Leave the place I hear they found cameras in the bottom of porto pottys What can we do about that? Any suggestions? jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 10:00:39 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" , , Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:00:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Roadster show Watch out for falling bricks and shaky ground. Glen----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" To: ; "LSR List" Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: Fw: Roadster show > ARRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!! Forgot to remove the trailer the first time I sent > this. > > From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" > To: "Land Speed List" ; > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: Roadster show > > > > Well, as is usually the case, I was able to find the info on it about 10 > > minutes after I posted my request lol. I do appreciate the feedback > though. > > For any of you on the list who are interested in attending, the event is > the > > Seattle Roadster Show and will be held from March 15-18 at the Stadium > > Exhibition Center in Seattle. For more info you can go to > > www.hotrodshows.com > > > > MeShawn > > > > > > MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler > > Independent Associates > > Pre-Paid Legal Services., Inc. > > email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com > > web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " saltsix" > > To: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" > > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:21 PM > > Subject: RE: Roadster show > > > > > > > I hope its not the Portland roadster show as I think it was this week > > > end.Try listening to 97.3KBSG.They will have it for sure.In the meantime > I > > > will let you know as soon as my partner comes over with this years > sched. > > > Ray Hedstrom > > > INLINEFEVER > > > 1941 chev. cooooooooop /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 11:45:59 2001 From: RACE427@aol.com To: rjh.co@worldnet.att.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:45:37 EST Subject: Re: Jeep air valve (Not land speed related) Jim, I would think you should be able to purchase this IAC motor from any auto parts store. I believe Standard Motor Products makes one aftermarket. You might do better on price right from a Chrysler dealer. Hope this helps, Tony Greco LI,NY /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 13:33:53 2001 From: "Phillip Landry" To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 20:33:32 Subject: Driving Suit Hi guys, We are looking at catalogs to order driving suits for three different size people. Can these suits be altered easily? Also there was some different material than Nomex mentioned a while back, I don't recall the brand name and the listquest feature is not working. Phil and Gary _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 15:31:00 2001 From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:30:30 EST Subject: FORWARDED WITH PERMISSION OF BELLYTANKER JOHN Subj: Just like the ol' days Date: 3/3/01 12:48:20 PM Pacific Standard Time From: bellytk@nh.ultranet.com (John Linville) To: leedodge@mediaone.net (Lee Dodge), FastmetalBDF@aol.com (Bruce Fergueson), RonnieRoadster@aol.com (Ron SanGiovanni), boogiewoogie12@hotmail.com (Doug Anderson), driscollsl@inpo.org (steve driscoll), gilbert1@mediaone.net (Robert Gilbert) well, I relived my youth today and you know what? The youth can have it! My son calls me last night and tells me that he has found a body to use for his comp car/dragster project. Will I go with him today to get it? Sure, no problem, come over at noon. So off we go to Maine. Now Maine is a funny state. Mostly populated by folks that talk funny and live in mobile homes with the wheels still on. Only difference between rural Maine and Appalachia is they get a lot more snow in Maine and they have moose. Anyway we go to Carelton's (better known to the hot rod community as "hoho" due to his cackling laugh) Junkyard emporium of wonderful stuff. Forty two old school buses so packed with junk you couldn't get in the doors to see what's there. Then several acres of frames, bodies, etc, most of which a respectable steel recycler wouldn't take for free. First thing I note is that Carelton, recently married for the first time right after he retired from the East Eliot Garage, has spruced up. He no longer uses those orange handled clamps to hold his pant's fly shut but now has a real zipper. Also there appears to be a lot less grease on him. His wife, a charming rural Maine debutante with less teeth than her husband came to the marriage with countless children and various other family members who now dwell in a section of the junkyard in various structures mostly made from trailers interconnected with scrap lumber breezeways. Out into this Disneyland of old tin we go. First thing I hear my son say is "gee, it snowed and I'm not sure where the stuff is". Should have turned around then and found a Dunkin Donuts. Anyway we stomp around in ankle deep snow, except for those times when the snowbank isn't a snow bank but a pile of scrap covered with white snow. In those cases, your leg disappears up to your knee followed by contusions to your shin and a shoe full of snow. Oh boy, what fun. We find his prize! It is the back half of a Model A tudor sedan. He had assured me it was free from the frozen ground. Ah the impetuouness of youth. One side and the back were free, the rest was similar to one of those mammoths over in Siberia. Encased in solid ice adjacent to a large elm tree. After an hour chopping with a sign stake we found, the side is freed. Now where are the doors? He can't find them so we trudge through old Divco milk trucks and the cowls of a dozen '49-54 Chevy pickups and finally locate two doors that will work. They say '35 Buick on them but the shape is right and we only need the skin and window opening. A cowl is found, probably Model A, filled with snow and ice. We can barely lift it from its resting place and stumble across the snow covered landscape tripping on concealed bumpers and frames, using what the Navy taught me were a "few well chosen expressions in a time of stress". Now the shopping list is complete. We turn the body so that the rear panel is down in the snow and pile the other parts on top. We both pull this pile across the snowy road, negotiating the snow pile speed bumps Carelton has on the yard roads as if anyone would want to make a midnight foray into this scrapheap! Now I know how those Egyptian conscripts felt that towed those blocks for the pyramids. We only lacked the whip carrying overseer. We stop to pay for the "treasures" and see that a dozen little kids who call Carelton "grampy" are around his shop wood stove performing mayhem with various tools from his box. Carelton laughs and tells us they are learning about tools today. I step back when a precocious six year old shows me a evil looking hatchet and tells me with a demented gleam that is "wicked sharp, eyah". We quickly give Carelton his toll of twenty dollars and depart. By now, my shins hurt, my feet are wet, I am tired and really in need of a good hot coffee. To think I did this in my salad days and thought is was fun. But my son is showing me sketches in the snow of how it will come together and I reminisce on how it was to be that young and excited. I write this with dry jeans and socks on and a hot cup of tea made by Miss Linda. Life is good after all. regards, John /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 15:43:57 2001 From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:43:40 EST Subject: On John' s North Woods Trek ...... Subj: APPALACHIA NORTH aka DOWN MAINE Date: 3/3/01 1:34:32 PM Pacific Standard Time From: FastmetalBDF To: bellytk@nh.ultranet.com Hi John ! GREAT TALE from the North Woods you sent !!! I am still laughing as I one finger type this ! I have been to some of the same type of ( Wonderful !!! ) boneyards myself in at least five states ! AMERICA' S FADING TREASURES - - - I LOVE THEM !!!!! Thanks for sharing your adventure with us ! How was the Joe Timney visit ? We had a great time at the slide show in Wallingford one week ago tonight ..... List members Tony Greco and Bob Swanson, who I have known for about ten years, were also there ....... both very sharp on cars and rodding ...... as is Delaware Joe ! VERY GOOD TIME had by ALL , and other good pals Jack Brady, Jack Eaton, Arnie Shuman, Luke Karosi, Don Gallant, Ronnie S., Pete Bozzo, Jake & Luann, and Mike Nerricio & Steph and Joe 88 Potter ...... and others were all there ! I also wanted to point out that I had just emailed some humor to you and several other guys, and went to NEW email and got your Maine Woods story ....... TALK ABOUT COINCIDENCE : THE TIME on the emails from me to you and you to me is THREE SECONDS APART !!!!!!! THREE SECONDS !!! What are the ODDS of that happening ??? QUITE AMAZING !!! Stay in Touch ...... I still want to come up for a visit anytime from April on ....... Have CAMERAS ....... WILL TRAVEL ! Bruce HadenuffofWinter /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 17:25:36 2001 From: "Jonathan Amo" To: Nt788@aol.com Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 17:25:07 -0700 Subject: Re: No space: Leave the place Jack, Poop on them I guess Jon Nt788@aol.com wrote: > I hear they found cameras in the bottom of porto pottys What can we do about > that? Any suggestions? jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 18:28:15 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Jonathan Amo" , Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:27:30 -0800 Subject: Re: No space: Leave the place Jack At least they would see your good side,vertical smile and all ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Amo" To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: Re: No space: Leave the place > Jack, > > Poop on them I guess > > Jon > > Nt788@aol.com wrote: > > > I hear they found cameras in the bottom of porto pottys What can we do about > > that? Any suggestions? jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 18:35:06 2001 From: "Gary & Ellen" To: "Phillip Landry" Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:37:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Driving Suit Phil Check out www.chapmanracingheads.com for info about CarbonX Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Landry" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: Driving Suit /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 19:44:19 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: glen barrett , Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:41:42 -0800 Subject: Re: weather Glen, Any word on how he salt is down there? Wes on 3/2/01 12:20 PM, glen barrett at speedtimer@charter.net wrote: > Just checked out the weather forecast for the folks down under. The next 5 > days in the 90s hope they have a great meet. > Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 19:53:22 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Wester S Potter" , Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:51:27 -0600 Subject: Re: weather/lake Gairdner Got a Letter from Gail Phillips when I got home this afternoon... they are headed out to the Salt as I type this... car is on the trailer.... and away they go..... Doug has named the Trip..... " Blunders down Under " Sounds like the Salt is great and the Temps are in the 80's Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wester S Potter" To: "glen barrett" ; "landspeed@autox.team.net" Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: Re: weather > Glen, > > Any word on how he salt is down there? > > Wes > > on 3/2/01 12:20 PM, glen barrett at speedtimer@charter.net wrote: > > > Just checked out the weather forecast for the folks down under. The next 5 > > days in the 90s hope they have a great meet. > > Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 21:28:53 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Wester S Potter" , Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:28:04 -0800 Subject: Re: weather Wes & list I haven't heard any report on the salt condition. Nothing on their web page. Maybe we will hear tomorrow. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wester S Potter" To: "glen barrett" ; "landspeed@autox.team.net" Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 7:41 PM Subject: Re: weather > Glen, > > Any word on how he salt is down there? > > Wes > > on 3/2/01 12:20 PM, glen barrett at speedtimer@charter.net wrote: > > > Just checked out the weather forecast for the folks down under. The next 5 > > days in the 90s hope they have a great meet. > > Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 01:52:12 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 02:49:53 -0600 Subject: Doug's Blunder down under Here is a Picture out of a newspaper in Adalaide.... sorry the fella did'nt send the article.... Jon.... Gail said your welcome to post as much as you can find on the trip down there so feel free to grab this for the site... > http://www.erickson.on.net/mgb/misc/322ksprite_sml.jpg Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 06:44:21 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 07:42:28 -0600 Subject: is it March? Gotta love it.. went down to putter on an Alternator Bracket and came to the realization that it might be MARCH.... hmmm is it time to Panic Yet? No Motor for the first meet yet.... Trans Ain't together Yet, Let alone in the car.... Got my New Flaming rivers shut off switch... well sorta... they delivered it to my Ex Wifes house.... can't imagine how much fun it's going to be to pick it up.... hmmm Good thing I am Rested up.... I have a feeling it's going to be a BUSY month.... Keith ( Procrastinate... WHO ME? ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 07:33:21 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: , , Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 07:30:39 -0800 Subject: Re: No space: Leave the place on 3/3/01 7:31 AM, Nt788@aol.com at Nt788@aol.com wrote: > I hear they found cameras in the bottom of porto pottys What can we do about > that? Any suggestions? jack Wash them off good before you take them home. If the tourist didn't want them you probably don't either. Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 07:59:28 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Phillip Landry , Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 07:56:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Driving Suit on 3/3/01 12:33 PM, Phillip Landry at saltracer@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi guys, > We are looking at catalogs to order driving suits for three different size > people. Can these suits be altered easily? Also there was some different > material than Nomex mentioned a while back, I don't recall the brand name > and the listquest feature is not working. Phil and Gary > _________________________________________________________________ Phil and Gary, Check out HTTP://wwwchapmanthermalproducts.com for information on CarbonX. After seeing their demonstrations I'm a believer. Kind of like buying a cheaper helmet when you can get one that will really protect your head for 20% more. These suits breathe too ... nice when you are waiting in line on a hot day. Alterations are not a good thing to do when you have welted seams and a fabric that would unravel rather quickly at raw edges. Everything I have seen has been serged on the edge of the individual panel before assembly. CarbonX is quite durable and they have knits for sox, shoelaces, gloves and even helmet liners and headsocks/balaclavas/thingamajigs. Mike Chapman has a pair of exercise shorts he wears when he works out that have held up as well as a polyester knit would have done. Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 08:04:46 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: , Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 08:01:53 -0800 Subject: Re: On John' s North Woods Trek ...... Bruce, >From what we hear you are going to get some more winter this week. Now if you were Keith I'd suggest stocking up on cigarettes and diet coke. Hope you get through it in good shape. This from sunny Salt lake City where the skiing is great and you wear as much sun-screen as you do on the salt. Wes on 3/3/01 2:43 PM, FastmetalBDF@aol.com at FastmetalBDF@aol.com wrote: > Subj: APPALACHIA NORTH aka DOWN MAINE > Date: 3/3/01 1:34:32 PM Pacific Standard Time > From: FastmetalBDF > To: bellytk@nh.ultranet.com > > > > Hi John ! GREAT TALE from the North Woods you sent !!! QUITE AMAZING !!! > Stay in Touch ...... I still want to come up for a visit anytime from April > on ....... Have CAMERAS ....... WILL TRAVEL ! > Bruce HadenuffofWinter /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 08:33:40 2001 From: Joe Amo To: Keith Turk Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 09:39:57 -0700 Subject: Re: is it March? Glad to see that Flaming River has a sense of humor and abliged our request Joe :) Keith Turk wrote: > Gotta love it.. went down to putter on an Alternator Bracket and came to the > realization that it might be MARCH.... hmmm is it time to Panic Yet? > > No Motor for the first meet yet.... Trans Ain't together Yet, Let alone in > the car.... > > Got my New Flaming rivers shut off switch... well sorta... they delivered > it to my Ex Wifes house.... can't imagine how much fun it's going to be to > pick it up.... hmmm > > Good thing I am Rested up.... I have a feeling it's going to be a BUSY > month.... > > Keith ( Procrastinate... WHO ME? ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 10:58:35 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:58:04 EST Subject: car show Ed and list, went to the corvette show this morning to look at the Bonneville car but there wasn't one there. I did find a guy from Florissant Mo. named Bill Lacy that had a car there last year for display. It was a 63 vette that Micky Thompson had run in 64 sponsored by sears and allstate tires. He said that it ran 156.6 mph but that was not a record. He has the car now in the Corvette museum in Bowling Green Ky. Some of the old timers properly remember this. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 14:40:30 2001 From: "Chris \"Dad\" Land" To: Joe Amo Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 16:38:26 -0500 Subject: Re: is it March? > oh my gawd!.thank god i'm not alone. hope to have together and looking forward > but got alot more stuff to do as time permits. it's coming down to the wire > again.see you in maxton and i'll warn you guys now.......mikeys coming > too...........with top secrect noise suppresser...ssssh LOL ole dad > > Keith Turk wrote: > > > Gotta love it.. went down to putter on an Alternator Bracket and came to the > > realization that it might be MARCH.... hmmm is it time to Panic Yet? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 17:10:22 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:08:27 -0600 Subject: Dry sump mounting I have a question about the Mounting location for a Drysump Tank..... can it be lower then the Pump? Here is my current situation.... the Pump is about level with the Mid point in the tank... about 3" below were the oil return lines go in.... and about 8" higher then the Oil pick up in the bottom of the tank..... My concern is Oil draining back into the tank and having to draw Oil into an Empty Oil Pressure line everytime the car starts.... Should I put in a little extra line to create a trap like a sink? Keith ( scratching my head here.... Hmmm ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 17:28:03 2001 From: "DrMayf" To: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:24:59 -0800 Subject: Nitrous Question This question or series of questions relate to the use of squeeze or juice or nitrous and is for the motor heads who really do understand hoow it is used. Nothing trick here, no flames, just a dumb ignorant ex Alabama wienee with some questions. Normally aspirated motor... The motor is at full boogie heading down the track. The engine has been tuned pretty good so cylinder filling is good, well actually more than 100% due to ram tuning (yeah, I know that most cars have around 80% cylinder filling efficiency). So the air is really going into the motor. Now the nitrous hits: this stuff is a cold fluid that rapidly expands as a gas as it goes into the manifold along with the extra fuel. Now here is my funny question: since all the air that can be put into the cylinders is being put in there already how does the extra nitrous and fuel get in? Does the expansion of the NO2 act like a blower forcing more into the cylinders? If so, then how come it does not blow out the carb or throttle body? This is a puzzlement to me. I know it works but ... mayf /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 18:03:41 2001 From: "\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth" To: "Landspeed" Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:41:26 -0800 Subject: Sad news For those that may know Bob Brissette . . . Bob's wife, Teresa, died of a massive heart attack on Saturday (03-03-01) while she and Bob were vacationing in Tel Aviv . Bob was with her. He will be back on Wednesday. Speedy Regards, "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth LandSpeed Productions Telling stories with words and pictures ------------------------o0o-------------------------- /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 18:42:14 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:41:51 EST Subject: Re: Dry sump mounting In a message dated 3/4/01 6:11:12 PM Central Standard Time, kturk@ala.net writes: << I have a question about the Mounting location for a Drysump Tank..... can it be lower then the Pump? >> Keith I have a dry sump system that I'm going to hook up also. Never had one so will be interested in some of the feed back, It looks like the pump and lines would be kept full if the upper oil level in the tank is any higher than the pump. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 19:26:53 2001 From: Joe Amo To: DrMayf Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 20:31:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Nitrous Question DrMayf, please except this response as simply coming from somebody who uses the stuff, and does not claim to be the magna-fluid/thermal engineer. To my limited knowledge base, the induced charge is simply more oxygen rich thanks to the nitrous. In other words the induced column of air and fuel, runs into and picks up and or is drug into the nitrous/fuel mixture. I am told that on a port type system the port velocity actually does increase with the nitrous on, with nozzles injecting at 90 degrees to the port wall, even with the nitrous expansion in the port. Dont have a flow bench handy to prove it. As to the column of air fuel mix that eminates from the port away from the valve, as I am told during dyno testing is very impressive, on say a motorcycle cylinder head with individual cylinder induction systems, and surely this column is full of nitrous as well, and I must assume contributes to airbox explosions on bikes, that has plagued many the past few seasons in drag racing. I am sure Dahlgren, who gets to dyno many nifty motors can shed some light. Joe :) DrMayf wrote: > This question or series of questions relate to the use of squeeze or juice or > nitrous and is for the motor heads who really do understand hoow it is used. > Nothing trick here, no flames, just a dumb ignorant ex Alabama wienee with > some questions. Normally aspirated motor... > > The motor is at full boogie heading down the track. The engine has been tuned > pretty good so cylinder filling is good, well actually more than 100% due to > ram tuning (yeah, I know that most cars have around 80% cylinder filling > efficiency). So the air is really going into the motor. Now the nitrous hits: > this stuff is a cold fluid that rapidly expands as a gas as it goes into the > manifold along with the extra fuel. Now here is my funny question: since all > the air that can be put into the cylinders is being put in there already how > does the extra nitrous and fuel get in? Does the expansion of the NO2 act like > a blower forcing more into the cylinders? If so, then how come it does not > blow out the carb or throttle body? This is a puzzlement to me. I know it > works but ... > > mayf /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 19:32:56 2001 From: Joe Amo To: Joe Timney Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 20:37:47 -0700 Subject: Re: is it March? Ok, whatever you "Soprano" livin freaks say. A "mistake"?, yeah ok bud. Can the switch be activated remotely? The battery disconnect that is. Joe :) Joe Timney wrote: > No!!! Joe Timney has a sense of humor...My mistake!!! > > Joe Amo wrote: > > > Glad to see that Flaming River has a sense of humor and abliged our > > request > > > > Joe :) > > > > Keith Turk wrote: > > > > > Gotta love it.. went down to putter on an Alternator Bracket and came to the > > > realization that it might be MARCH.... hmmm is it time to Panic Yet? > > > > > > No Motor for the first meet yet.... Trans Ain't together Yet, Let alone in > > > the car.... > > > > > > Got my New Flaming rivers shut off switch... well sorta... they delivered > > > it to my Ex Wifes house.... can't imagine how much fun it's going to be to > > > pick it up.... hmmm > > > > > > Good thing I am Rested up.... I have a feeling it's going to be a BUSY > > > month.... > > > > > > Keith ( Procrastinate... WHO ME? ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 21:21:45 2001 From: "JOHN BACKUS" <34ford@msn.com> To: "dwarner" , "Nt788" Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:33:53 -0500 Subject: Re: car show Dan, in either case, do the helmets have to have the Nomex lining?? John B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Warner Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:48 AM To: Nt788@aol.com Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net Subject: Re: car show hey dan what is new rule about a helmet skirt thanks jack Jack, list, New helmet skirt rule; All drivers, includes motorcycle streamliners, must wear a helmet which meets specs with either a built-in skirt which would go into the suit jacket, or an external helmet skirt. The external skirt is a add on piece which attaches to the outside of the helmet, generally with Velcro. Dan W
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/// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 21:40:45 2001 From: "JOHN BACKUS" <34ford@msn.com> To: "wspotter" , "Nt788" , Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:53:13 -0500 Subject: Re: No space: Leave the place You know, all this talk about one-way mirrors probably explains the laughter we heard from behind a mirror over our round bed in the MGM Grand Hotel in Lost Vegas back in '75!! John B.....but, that's another story ----- Original Message ----- From: Wester S Potter Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 9:35 AM To: Nt788@aol.com; fowlers6@home.com; land-speed@autox.team.net Subject: Re: No space: Leave the place on 3/3/01 7:31 AM, Nt788@aol.com at Nt788@aol.com wrote: > I hear they found cameras in the bottom of porto pottys What can we do about > that? Any suggestions? jack Wash them off good before you take them home. If the tourist didn't want them you probably don't either. Wes
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/// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 21:49:46 2001 From: "Jim Bodenheimer" To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:49:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Dry sump mounting KT, Forgot about the trailer. Two cents from the turn left community. First, our tank is about 8" higher than the pump. The pump is located even with the oil pan. This will keep the lines full. You will see a slight delay in getting oil pressure no matter how much you prime the system. Ours is about a second or so. Pretty un-nerving. Also, we are using 2 bands and 2 probes to heat the oil. Cuts our heat-up time to an hour or so (or in your case 2 diet cokes and a couple winston lights). We run -16 lines to and from the tank as well as an oil cooler. Our capacity is 14 qts - yours may be less. On the heating subject, I saw something at our last race in Lakeland, FL last week. A guy got caught heating the rear-end oil before qualifying. Seems he had a probe heater stuck in the vent on the center section. I can't see the advantage in round track unless you tape up the rear cooler, but in our case, might be some extra rear hp. Just a thought - not that I would do such a thing (time to re-wire the heaters and put a real vent in!). Take care, Jim >From: "Keith Turk" >Reply-To: "Keith Turk" >To: >Subject: Dry sump mounting >Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:08:27 -0600 > >I have a question about the Mounting location for a Drysump Tank..... can >it >be lower then the Pump? > >Here is my current situation.... the Pump is about level with the Mid point >in the tank... about 3" below were the oil return lines go in.... and about >8" higher then the Oil pick up in the bottom of the tank..... > >My concern is Oil draining back into the tank and having to draw Oil into >an >Empty Oil Pressure line everytime the car starts.... Should I put in a >little extra line to create a trap like a sink? > >Keith ( scratching my head here.... Hmmm ) > _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 4 22:30:29 2001 From: webmaster@landracing.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:30:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: New on the album: Electric Shutoff Symbol Please visit the album on http://www.landracing.com to see the new addition: Electric Shutoff Symbol. Thank you. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 05:40:24 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: DrMayf Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:35:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Nitrous Question Larry what i have seen is this, when the nitrous hits the first thing it does is cool the intake charge as it goes it. The reason for this is it is -127 degrees F if you have liquid nitrous. When it goes to gas it takes heat out of the intake charge and makes room for itself up to a point. As an aside to this when the nitrous is tuned correctly the EGT should drop about 100 degrees when you are on the bottle. It is really a matter of how much nitrous you use. It like most things that add power is good up to a point and then you get less results per unit added. My personal limit is 50% of what the engine hp is without the nitrous. This number by the way links to your observation on VE. for me after this point you are adding nitrous to the point of limiting air from however else it is getting in, carb, efi whatever... For me practical limits sound like 350 hp for a sb engine that is 300 to 370 inches and 600 hp from a BB of 500 and up.. Others use more but the tuning gets so dicey that the gain is generally not worth the constant explosions. You also have to use a cam and headers that will flow what you have for hp on the exhaust side of the engine too and it becomes a very specialized piece that will not run as good as a NA engine without the nitrous. Remember too when you use this stuff that it is all 'bang' and no 'push'!! It is the highest stress way to make power that I am aware of. All the power is produced in a limited number of crankshaft degrees, unlike a turbo :>) which has the least amount of stress per hp produced.. How you put the nitrous in also has some bearing on how well it works too. For me a plate system over 250 hp is a bomb. I am sure many have had good results with a 300 hp plate system and that is great! But historically this is not the case. The reason for this is the air flow of the intake manifold. If you have good runners and bad ones then the good runners get more nitrous too. so the hp added per cylinder is not the same. That really does bad things trying to get the timing right and makes the system very finicky as these air flow problems come and go with rpm. A port system is better for distribution but does not cool the intake charge as much so the manifold fills up with nitrous. If I was working on a SB engine I think for me I would run about 150 hp on a plate and 200 hp worth of port injection.. Best of both worlds in my mind. Turn the plate on first and then add the port nozzles as you can use the power. For drag racing the spread in turn on times might be milliseconds and for lsr might be miles apart.. Dave Dahlgren ( who has both won and lost the nitrous wars) DrMayf wrote: > > This question or series of questions relate to the use of squeeze or juice or > nitrous and is for the motor heads who really do understand hoow it is used. > Nothing trick here, no flames, just a dumb ignorant ex Alabama wienee with > some questions. Normally aspirated motor... > > The motor is at full boogie heading down the track. The engine has been tuned > pretty good so cylinder filling is good, well actually more than 100% due to > ram tuning (yeah, I know that most cars have around 80% cylinder filling > efficiency). So the air is really going into the motor. Now the nitrous hits: > this stuff is a cold fluid that rapidly expands as a gas as it goes into the > manifold along with the extra fuel. Now here is my funny question: since all > the air that can be put into the cylinders is being put in there already how > does the extra nitrous and fuel get in? Does the expansion of the NO2 act like > a blower forcing more into the cylinders? If so, then how come it does not > blow out the carb or throttle body? This is a puzzlement to me. I know it > works but ... > > mayf /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 06:47:16 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 05:46:18 -0800 Subject: Re: helmets/skirts John, list I'm not familiar with current manufacturing standards for helmets. Don't all new, full face helmets rated for SA (special application, i.e. racing) come with the Nomex liner? I personally would not buy a helmet without a Nomex liner. Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 07:14:09 2001 From: Dick J To: Want1937hd@aol.com, paul.blandavon@btinternet.com, Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 06:13:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: roadster classes If you > put a 15 and 23 roadster body > side by side 99 out of 100 people wouldn't know > the differance at a 200MPH > glance. Bob in Connecticut, where it is snowing > as I type this. If the bodies were on modified frames, 99 out of 100 people wouldn't know the difference if they stared at them for half an hour! Dick J Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 07:17:17 2001 From: Dick J To: Nafzger , Wester S Potter , Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 06:17:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: BONNEVILLE SPEED WEEK --- Nafzger wrote: > Wes, > Amen. I just increased the withholding on my > pension to stop the bleeding > for next year. > Howard > I did the same thing. Turns out they took the additional witholding out of my ex-wife's claim on my pension rather than the pittance I'm left with. Sure wish I had thought of that a lot sooner!! ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 07:30:22 2001 From: Dick J To: FastmetalBDF@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 06:30:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: FORWARDED WITH PERMISSION OF BELLYTANKER JOHN Ah John, it's just yer age! Give the kid a break. Sounds like a trip through hot rod heavan to me! ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 07:56:20 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "landspeed@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 06:55:37 -0800 Subject: Racing safety Today at 4:00pm pacific time the is a 30 minute special on Speedvision regarding racing safety. Covers all types of motorsports. It should be of interest to all of us. Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 08:40:08 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 07:39:05 -0800 Subject: Re: Doug's Blunder down under KT I see he added a spoiler this time. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 12:49 AM Subject: Doug's Blunder down under > Here is a Picture out of a newspaper in Adalaide.... sorry the fella did'nt > send the article.... > > Jon.... Gail said your welcome to post as much as you can find on the trip > down there so feel free to grab this for the site... > > > http://www.erickson.on.net/mgb/misc/322ksprite_sml.jpg > > Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 08:43:32 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "glen barrett" , Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:41:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Doug's Blunder down under That thing is alot like a spoiler only smaller..... same one he had at speedweek last year.... did he not have one on it when he crashed? I am going to show him how to build a REAL one.... just like the boys did on the Alfa or on the Berkley.... both of those seem to be effective.... K ----- Original Message ----- From: "glen barrett" To: "Keith Turk" ; Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Doug's Blunder down under > KT > I see he added a spoiler this time. > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Turk" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 12:49 AM > Subject: Doug's Blunder down under > > > > Here is a Picture out of a newspaper in Adalaide.... sorry the fella > did'nt > > send the article.... > > > > Jon.... Gail said your welcome to post as much as you can find on the trip > > down there so feel free to grab this for the site... > > > > > http://www.erickson.on.net/mgb/misc/322ksprite_sml.jpg > > > > Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 10:28:21 2001 From: "DrMayf" To: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:26:24 -0800 Subject: Nitrous.. Many thanks to all who replied on my question on nitrous. Lots of interesting thoughts, and much to digest. I am not, nor am I planning to, run nitrous on any of my vehicles. This was simply a quest for me to learn more on how it is injested and system performance outside the combustion chamber. I am gonna try and do some thermo and fluid dynamics on a simple math model to see if I understand it. Again, many thanks to those who replied... mayf /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 10:50:48 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:50:08 EST Subject: Fwd: No space: Leave the place Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa03.mx.aol.com (rly-xa03.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.72]) by air-xa03.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 07:30:16 -0500 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by rly-xa03.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 07:30:11 -0500 Received: from storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.129]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E1725D4 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 04:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA05524; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 04:30:08 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR3c45FQzPZW+d2bJQHGsxW3rDBwAIUasbW5X+BKKvp+lMnO8HxchkGrfk= From: RPETTITinAPACHE@webtv.net (Ronald Pettit) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 07:30:08 -0500 (EST) To: Nt788@aol.com Subject: Re: Fwd: No space: Leave the place Message-ID: <21495-3AA23550-2623@storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Nt788@aol.com's message of Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:45:00 EST Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Put a camera in the top of the crapper room so you can get a picture of who is putting the cameras in the bottom. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 11:00:29 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: DrMayf Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:56:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Nitrous.. Let me know how the model looks/works i would have a great interest in it :>) Dave DrMayf wrote: > > Many thanks to all who replied on my question on nitrous. Lots of interesting > thoughts, and much to digest. > > I am not, nor am I planning to, run nitrous on any of my vehicles. This was > simply a quest for me to learn more on how it is injested and system > performance outside the combustion chamber. I am gonna try and do some thermo > and fluid dynamics on a simple math model to see if I understand it. > > Again, many thanks to those who replied... > > mayf /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 11:18:59 2001 From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:16:36 EST Subject: IN THE NEWS: ROAD VEHICLES WITH BALLAST ..... MOVE OVER! THIS IS TWO-LANES WIDE! If you've ever gotten behind a massive SUV that you thought should have sported an "Oversize Load" sign, just wait until the new Unimog hits the road. The Atlanta Journal- Constitution says it has learned that the planned European-made SUV will be more than 9 1/2-feet tall, 20-feet long and 7-feet wide. The new vehicle will weigh more than 6 tons. It's predicted to only get 10 miles per gallon. The target market is wealthy people who have the money to take it off road. Ironically, orders in the U.S. will be taken at Freightliner truck dealers. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 11:24:58 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: FastmetalBDF@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:24:15 EST Subject: Re: IN THE NEWS: ROAD VEHICLES WITH BALLAST ..... Are you saying "there oughta be a law" or learn to drive? Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 11:27:22 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Shearer, Christine" Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:26:28 -0800 Subject: Fw: A View of your house ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reyno, Eugene R" To: "Becky" ; "Kay, Muffin & Bear" ; "Mills, Steve" ; "Rauscher, Mark" ; "Ruedas, Andrew" ; "Speedtimer" ; "Steve" ; "Storage, Hoda" ; "Sue" ; "Webb, Jennifer" ; "Whitted, Judy" Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: A View of your house > > > > Enter your address for a satellite view of > > your neighborhood... even down to house level. This is > > cool, but a little scary. > > > http://www.globexplorer.com/cfviewer/start.cfm > /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 11:32:31 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:31:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Camaro Progress Well, I dropped the Camaro off at the frame shop at lunch time today. Paint job money going for a straight frame. Expect to see an ugley gray-primered Camaro on the track for one more season. But hey, at least it should go where I steer it now. ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 11:54:10 2001 From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com To: Nt788@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:53:08 EST Subject: Re: IN THE NEWS: ROAD VEHICLES WITH BALLAST ..... Jack : Your Tow Truck with Camouflage Paint Scheme IS / WAS / WILL ALWAYS BE MUCHO KOOLER than those oversized yuppie bombs !!! Especially with the Orange Needle tagging along behind it ....... Bruce /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 13:07:30 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "landspeed@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:06:21 -0800 Subject: information Over the weekend someone asked a question regarding building a new car. He mentioned using a I-beam ford axle that was drilled or lightened in the web area. In the past SCTA has rejected to use of modified beam axles. Anything like that has to be pre approved by the rules committee. I deleted the persons e-mail address so hopefully he will get back to us and canasked more questions regarding this matter. Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 13:08:16 2001 From: Scott Cowle To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:08:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: timing chains Yesterday as I tore my engine down to replace the camshaft I noticed my timing chain had excessive slop in it . This chain was put in only last winter and the total mileage couldn't exceed 4000miles.It is a double roller and is in a 440 mopar engine . The chain itself is a Mopar Performance piece.Anyone else experience this kind of premature wear in a chain before? I can't see how I could have installed it incorrectly. Scott /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 13:28:02 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: speedtimer@charter.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:27:15 EST Subject: Re: information Does the ban on modified I beam axles include Allard style swing axles? The early 1950's Allards had a stock Ford I beam cut in half with a pivot welded to the inner end. Lotus used the same setup only they used the smaller English Ford I beam. Bob in soon to be snowy Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 13:35:38 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: , Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:34:47 -0800 Subject: Re: information Bob Last year there was an Allard at speed week and ran in the 190mph range. It also spun a couple of times. I don't think the axle had anything to do with it, just a old Englishman wanting to go fast. There is a 34 Ford coupe here on the coast and a friend that was not allowed to run. The axle that had been slotted in the web area. The coupe also had a Cad V-12 with a front mounted blower. The rules comittee felt it might have to much weight on the axle. Just reporting the facts. Glen ( waiting for the so-wester rain storm) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: Re: information > Does the ban on modified I beam axles include Allard style swing axles? The > early 1950's Allards had a stock Ford I beam cut in half with a pivot welded > to the inner end. Lotus used the same setup only they used the smaller > English Ford I beam. Bob in soon to be snowy Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 13:42:11 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: speedtimer@charter.net, Want1937hd@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:41:42 EST Subject: Re: information In a message dated 3/5/01 3:36:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, speedtimer@charter.net writes: << Last year there was an Allard at speed week and ran in the 190mph range. It also spun a couple of times. I don't think the axle had anything to do with it, just a old Englishman wanting to go fast. There is a 34 Ford coupe here on the coast and a friend that was not allowed to run. The axle that had been slotted in the web area. The coupe also had a Cad V-12 with a front mounted blower. The rules comittee felt it might have to much weight on the axle. Just reporting the facts >> ................I've got to get out to an event! There are just too many unusual cars that I'd like to see. I guess the bottom line is, if it is built safe and meets the rules you can race anything. Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 15:53:56 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 04:31:09 -0600 Subject: website I think I finally learned how to change the spelling on Dave's name.... I fixed a couple of things... and added something in the records section for right now... it's just some junk tool box and the ratio's for the six speed.... Bottom line is I bought this program called web easy at Office depot and for 49 bucks I think I have finally learned how to use it to make a half butt website... the address is http://downtown.ala.net/~kturk Keith Turk Austin Healey 100, Bugeye, Box sprites, Bonneville Camaro ( Land Speed Racer) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 16:24:31 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:20:23 -0500 Subject: Re: website Looks good Keith. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 5:31 AM Subject: website > I think I finally learned how to change the spelling on Dave's name.... I > fixed a couple of things... and added something in the records section for > right now... it's just some junk tool box and the ratio's for the six > speed.... > > Bottom line is I bought this program called web easy at Office depot and > for 49 bucks I think I have finally learned how to use it to make a half > butt website... > > the address is http://downtown.ala.net/~kturk > > Keith Turk > Austin Healey 100, Bugeye, Box sprites, Bonneville Camaro ( Land Speed > Racer) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 16:53:41 2001 From: John Goodman To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 17:52:39 -0600 Subject: Dry sump mounting Keith: You can successfully mount the oil tank outlet (bottom) AN fitting lower than the pump inlet AN fitting. The only real problem you will have is initial prime of the pump. Once primed, it keeps it that way so long as you have sufficient oil in the tank. I don't like doing it this way (because of the time and trouble to prime the pump) but sometimes you have no choice. Many of my past and present road race cars mount this way due to space restrictions. John >>Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:08:27 -0600 From: "Keith Turk" Subject: Dry sump mounting I have a question about the Mounting location for a Drysump Tank..... can it be lower then the Pump? Here is my current situation.... the Pump is about level with the Mid point in the tank... about 3" below were the oil return lines go in.... and about 8" higher then the Oil pick up in the bottom of the tank..... My concern is Oil draining back into the tank and having to draw Oil into an Empty Oil Pressure line everytime the car starts.... Should I put in a little extra line to create a trap like a sink? Keith ( scratching my head here.... Hmmm )<< /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 17:07:26 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:06:57 EST Subject: Re: website Nice job Keith.................Ardun Doug /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 17:44:18 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "landspeed@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:43:05 -0800 Subject: speedvision Just finished watching the racing safety program on speed vision. The basic program was on the HANS device. Other coverage on soft walls and other driver protection. At least it's got people talking. The shots on the dummies tell a lot of the story, anybody notice how much the shoulder harness streached. Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 18:46:42 2001 From: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham To: "glen barrett" , Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 19:48:03 -0600 Subject: Re: Fw: A View of your house Interesting but it put my house on the wrong side of the road! Skip At 12:26 PM 3/5/01 , you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Reyno, Eugene R" >To: "Becky" ; "Kay, Muffin & Bear" ; >"Mills, Steve" ; "Rauscher, Mark" >; "Ruedas, Andrew" >; "Speedtimer" ; >"Steve" ; "Storage, Hoda" >; "Sue" ; "Webb, >Jennifer" ; "Whitted, Judy" > >Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:50 AM >Subject: A View of your house > > >> >> >> > Enter your address for a satellite view of >> > your neighborhood... even down to house level. This is >> > cool, but a little scary. > >> > http://www.globexplorer.com/cfviewer/start.cfm >> /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 18:57:06 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "Scott Cowle" , Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:58:48 -0700 Subject: Re: timing chains Scott, My limited experience with this says that some of the roller chains stretch quicker than the stock type chains. I always let them sit overnight in a can of oil before installing to help breakin. I'm sure some are better than others. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cowle" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: timing chains > Yesterday as I tore my engine down to replace the camshaft I noticed my > timing chain had excessive slop in it . This chain was put in only last > winter and the total mileage couldn't exceed 4000miles.It is a double roller > and is in a 440 mopar engine . The chain itself is a Mopar Performance > piece.Anyone else experience this kind of premature wear in a chain before? > I can't see how I could have installed it incorrectly. > Scott /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 19:06:03 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "Dan Warner" , Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:07:45 -0700 Subject: Re: helmets/skirts Dan, I'm not an expert, but I thought SA helmets all had fire resistant liners. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Warner" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:46 AM Subject: Re: helmets/skirts > John, list > > I'm not familiar with current manufacturing standards for helmets. Don't all > new, full face helmets rated for SA (special application, i.e. racing) come > with the Nomex liner? I personally would not buy a helmet without a Nomex > liner. > > Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 19:44:26 2001 From: "JOHN BACKUS" <34ford@msn.com> To: "land-speed" Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:56:57 -0500 Subject: Unimog specs. Info. on the DaimlerChrysler Unimog can be found at www.Cartalk.cars.com/About/Unimog This thing aint much larger than a little 'ol Chev Suburban! Believe it or not, our armed forces has been using this vehicle for several years (the Unimog). John Backus
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/// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 20:05:53 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:58:35 -0500 Subject: Honda Insight I saw a Honda Insight this weekend and first thing I noticed was that 3/4 of the rear wheel was covered. How could this car play into the field of landspeed racing? It does have a back seat and can seat 4. I think finding a classification for it might be difficult modified or not. Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 20:44:37 2001 From: "JOHN BACKUS" <34ford@msn.com> To: "land-speed" Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 22:57:06 -0500 Subject: Mike the Headless Chicken Boy, this list has been somewhat dormant. Work here has also slowed somewhat on the roadsters while I nurse a bad cold. Just to get SOMETHING going, has any of you heard about Mike the headless chicken? Seems a slip of the axe put poor Mike in an awful state, maybe almost worse than dead, one day. But you can read all about it at www.h2net.net/p/nslade/mike.html John in cold Ohio (but little or no snow)
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/// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 20:57:15 2001 From: Drylakercr@aol.com To: lanspeed@west.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 22:55:54 EST Subject: Re: Sad news Do you have an address for him? My dad would like send him a card. My dad and his brothers owned the Brisette's roadster in the 1970's and ran it with many other's help, like our own Dan Warner. When our family had it it was on the 1975 (I belive) Bonneville poster. They had some great runs in that roadster: 175 on the salt with one of our reliable 6 cylinders. Then we sold it to Tom Eiden who now runs it with Tom Evans. Thanks for this update, even though it was sad news. --Katie Cortez /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 21:33:14 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:34:47 -0700 Subject: Progress report List, I seem to be good at starting riots so let me give you all something to read at least. Going to have a new and hopefully competitive motor in the streamliner this year after a year of debug and my son's licensing runs. Supposed to have the motor off the dyno several weeks ago but you have heard that before. Made a 200 mile round trip today to take the race car headers in so we could get the proper length spark wires correctly routed. Not much room for them in this car. While I was there the engine builder decided I should put the engine in the car, build the airbox to the new scoop, mount the supplemental fuel tank, nitrous bottle, fuel pump, regulator, Hobbs switch, etc. and then take it all back out and take it to him so he can run the complete package on the dyno including the race car headers. Probably not a bad idea. Minimizes surprises. I guess I knew this would be labor intensive when I started. Six years this June and don't dare tell my wife how much money. Last Saturday we started the annual thrash at the NASCAR track where I work and I was hoping to have more done on the car before that started but what good is the last minute if you don't use it for something? Now that you are bored to tears, you at least have something to read. Howard Nafzger 448/CFS /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 21:48:31 2001 From: Joe Amo To: Nafzger Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 14:06:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Progress report That update you sent is just plain great reading!! The fact that you would take the time to let us in on the happenings with your project is really nice. Some of us are at different points on the trail to speed, and hearing about anyones stuff is cool, it is just nice to read about it, and contemplate bits of it, to extract what we can from it. Joe :) Nafzger wrote: > List, > I seem to be good at starting riots so let me give you all something to > read at least. > Going to have a new and hopefully competitive motor in the streamliner this > year after a year of debug and my son's licensing runs. Supposed to have the > motor off the dyno several weeks ago but you have heard that before. Made a > 200 mile round trip today to take the race car headers in so we could get > the proper length spark wires correctly routed. Not much room for them in > this car. > While I was there the engine builder decided I should put the engine in the > car, build the airbox to the new scoop, mount the supplemental fuel tank, > nitrous bottle, fuel pump, regulator, Hobbs switch, etc. and then take it > all back out and take it to him so he can run the complete package on the > dyno including the race car headers. Probably not a bad idea. Minimizes > surprises. > I guess I knew this would be labor intensive when I started. Six years this > June and don't dare tell my wife how much money. > Last Saturday we started the annual thrash at the NASCAR track where I work > and I was hoping to have more done on the car before that started but what > good is the last minute if you don't use it for something? > Now that you are bored to tears, you at least have something to read. > > Howard Nafzger > 448/CFS /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 22:58:17 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 00:51:06 -0500 Subject: this beats temple tape Well I guess people will try anything. Bill http://www.streamlining.com/index.html [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Handsome new pickup truck accessory smoothes airflow and reduces drag..url] /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 23:02:45 2001 From: Ed Van Scoy To: Land Speed List Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 20:38:18 -0700 Subject: Hot Rod Magazine Just got my latest issue of Hot Rod and they have a short article about Burkland's 450 pass at WOS - Also predicting 500 mph at Speedweek. Nice of them to acknowledge that. Ed /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 23:18:03 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Joe Amo" , "Nafzger" Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 00:15:13 -0600 Subject: Re: Progress report Yeah Howard I am with Joe.... anyone else's stuff is nice to hear about...... If Miss Kathy ever finds out what this cost.... that Kitchen will happen without my consent..... Hmmm nice to hear someone else say that.... NOW about that Hobb's switch..... Ole Dave finally cut all that wiring and took all the safety's out of the Nitrous.... then we set up a test Procedure for the begining of every meet... it's kinda basic.... test the fuel... Nitrous... and Timing .... Watch everything work independantly... Then don't hit the button till your wide open throttle above Peak Torque. Sounds scary but when I hit the button now it works everytime and there are no Half way conditions.... I can make changes in Fuel Pressure without worrying about getting below the hobbs switch setting.... Just thought I would share what it took for us to actually make this thing run right..... K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Amo" To: "Nafzger" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Progress report > That update you sent is just plain great reading!! > > The fact that you would take the time to let us in > on the happenings with your project is really nice. > > Some of us are at different points on the trail to speed, and > hearing about anyones stuff is cool, it is just nice to read > about it, and contemplate bits of it, to extract what we can > from it. > > Joe :) > > Nafzger wrote: > > > List, > > I seem to be good at starting riots so let me give you all something to > > read at least. > > Going to have a new and hopefully competitive motor in the streamliner this > > year after a year of debug and my son's licensing runs. Supposed to have the > > motor off the dyno several weeks ago but you have heard that before. Made a > > 200 mile round trip today to take the race car headers in so we could get > > the proper length spark wires correctly routed. Not much room for them in > > this car. > > While I was there the engine builder decided I should put the engine in the > > car, build the airbox to the new scoop, mount the supplemental fuel tank, > > nitrous bottle, fuel pump, regulator, Hobbs switch, etc. and then take it > > all back out and take it to him so he can run the complete package on the > > dyno including the race car headers. Probably not a bad idea. Minimizes > > surprises. > > I guess I knew this would be labor intensive when I started. Six years this > > June and don't dare tell my wife how much money. > > Last Saturday we started the annual thrash at the NASCAR track where I work > > and I was hoping to have more done on the car before that started but what > > good is the last minute if you don't use it for something? > > Now that you are bored to tears, you at least have something to read. > > > > Howard Nafzger > > 448/CFS > > /// > /// > /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 5 23:29:10 2001 From: "The Butters Family" To: "Skip & Joyce Higginbotham" , Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:05:50 -0800 Subject: Re: Fw: A View of your house Gee skip maybe you are sitting on the wrong side of the picture. Kvach /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 05:59:18 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 20:16:12 -0800 Subject: Weather Don't any of you old hot rodders pull anything while shoveling snow on the east coast (hope you hopped up your snow blowers) or filling sand-bags on the west coast. The weather on both coasts looks nasty. We're sitting here in Salt Lake City with a split jet stream taking the storms around us. Partly cloudy with highs in the low sixties today. Wonderful sunset tonight. Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 06:10:05 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 05:09:19 -0800 Subject: Re: helmets/skirts , I'm not an expert, but I thought SA helmets all had fire resistant liners. Howard Me too. Dan /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 06:12:16 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 05:11:27 -0800 Subject: Re: helmets/skirts No, they do not all come with a Nomex liner, in fact it costs a lot more to get the Nomex liner. John, Are you sure that SA rated helnmets do not include the Nomex liner? Dan /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 06:44:20 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Wester S Potter" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:47:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Weather Hey it's 22 degs and snowing in NC. The 20 to 30 MPH wind is helping turn things in to a perfect blizzard. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wester S Potter" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:16 PM Subject: Weather > Don't any of you old hot rodders pull anything while shoveling snow on the > east coast (hope you hopped up your snow blowers) or filling sand-bags on > the west coast. The weather on both coasts looks nasty. > > We're sitting here in Salt Lake City with a split jet stream taking the > storms around us. Partly cloudy with highs in the low sixties today. > Wonderful sunset tonight. > > Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 07:35:23 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: wspotter@jps.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:33:54 EST Subject: Re: Weather Hi Wes, Thanks for the weather report! It is snowing lightly right now, no big deal. I remove the snow the old fashoned way one shovel load at a time. It helps to pretend that it is salt and I'm geting a race course ready. Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 07:57:36 2001 From: "Tom Neimeyer" <3cbxs@ev1.net> To: "Land Speed List" Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:06:07 -0600 Subject: Re: this beats temple tape AGAIN, motorcycles are at a disadvantage. For us to use these ingenious devices we will have to stitch them to our leathers! The outside of each leg is a given but would they be on the top or bottom of the arms? Across the shoulders? The things we'll try for a mph.... Tom > http://www.streamlining.com/index.html /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 08:00:15 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Bill & Dee Bennett" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:26:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Honda Insight Bill Looks like a perfect /ALT or /CC to me. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: Honda Insight > I saw a Honda Insight this weekend and first thing I noticed was that 3/4 of > the rear wheel was covered. How could this car play into the field of > landspeed racing? It does have a back seat and can seat 4. I think finding a > classification for it might be difficult modified or not. > > Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 08:53:20 2001 From: "Jerry Dickinson" To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 07:52:56 -0800 Subject: Chat room tonite Hi All. Sorry I haven't written much lately. I have been busy with the closing on my house. Looks like escrow will close wednesday. I will be a home owner for the first time. It will take me a few months to recover from the move.($$$) should be starting on the firebird sometime in May or June. I have decided to take some advice from you the people that responded to my question (thank you KT). I will keep the car really simple this time out. we will try to have it complete for the last elmirage meet this November. Safety will be our first priority. To be honest i didn't realize how much the safety stuff would cost. looks like it will take up most of our budget this year. See you in the chat room tonite. _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 09:21:22 2001 From: "Richard Fox" To: , , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:17:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Sad news Katie; For what it's worth, the poster was 1976. one of which hangs proudly on my garage wall. Rich Fox -----Original Message----- From: Drylakercr@aol.com Date: Monday, March 05, 2001 08:00 PM Subject: Re: Sad news >Do you have an address for him? My dad would like send him a card. > >My dad and his brothers owned the Brisette's roadster in the 1970's and ran >it with many other's help, like our own Dan Warner. When our family had it it >was on the 1975 (I belive) Bonneville poster. They had some great runs in >that roadster: 175 on the salt with one of our reliable 6 cylinders. Then we >sold it to Tom Eiden who now runs it with Tom Evans. > >Thanks for this update, even though it was sad news. > >--Katie Cortez /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 09:33:31 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: Land Speed Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:28:19 -0800 Subject: Brissette Group: I don't have Bob's mailing address, but I am posting his email address, (Robert O Brissette ) I'm sure he would appreciate hearing from all LSR community. Bob is one of my Dry Lakes and Bonneville heroes. He has an impressive competition history, running a fuel roaster and belly tank. He resurfaced last year after being away from the sport for 35+ years. He has an engine in Paul Dearth's new roadster. I expect they will be noticed. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 09:43:05 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:42:18 -0800 Subject: sad news Sad news indeed. I knew Bob and brother Jim from 60's when they were top dogs in Eagle Rock, just over the hill from Glendale where I hung out. They had a fast 40 Ford coupe with a early Dodge or DeSoto hemi, 6- 97s on top. Early big time drag racers. A guy who worked for my Dad drove their belly tank at one time. When Katie's Dad, Keith found the roadster we thought we really had something. That thing ran 238 one year at Bonneville with Paul Dearth driving outside the lines. He went back on course only to trip the lights. I was with Bob Noice and Paul Stanley that year, '63? The Belly tank is the one shown on the inside front cover of Louise's book. Jim can frequently seen as an advisor to some current NHRA Top Fuel teams. Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 12:40:22 2001 From: "Hyatt Engineering Ltd" To: "LSR list" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:14:24 -0500 Subject: RE: Honda Insight The insight is the gas/electric hybrid... would you classify it by the displacement of the internal combustion engine, or as an electric (for which I thought that there were only special construction categories)?? If classified as gas, could the electric motor be retained ? Essentially the same questions apply to the Toyota Previa. If it ran as an electric would the engine/generator set be considered a battery ? The only LSR precedent I know of for hybrid thermodynamic cycles is the "turbo compounding" rule, apparently allowing the use of "turbo machinery" to drive the rear axle if it is feed only exhaust gasses (the "compressor" is an internal combustion engine) and bumping the engine to the blown classification. There was a thread regarding that rule on this list several months ago. While on the subject of deviant thermodynamic cycles, the old rule books (1992, at the top of page 11) listed an Omega class, for "Engines using a thermodynamic cycle other than Otto". Did the turbine class replace that ? How about thermodynamic cycles other than Otto or turbines, where would they run ? Regards to all, Greg -----Original Message----- From: owner-land-speed@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-land-speed@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of John Beckett Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:27 AM To: Bill & Dee Bennett; Land Speed List Subject: Re: Honda Insight Bill Looks like a perfect /ALT or /CC to me. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: Honda Insight > I saw a Honda Insight this weekend and first thing I noticed was that 3/4 of > the rear wheel was covered. How could this car play into the field of > landspeed racing? It does have a back seat and can seat 4. I think finding a > classification for it might be difficult modified or not. > > Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 13:21:45 2001 From: john robinson To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:20:17 -0600 Subject: RE: Honda Insight Howdy, came across something crazy on ebay TRI JET TURBINE POWERED TOYOTA MR2 Item #566827966 THIS IS A 1985 TOYOTA MR2 WITH THREE, THATS RIGHT THREE!!!!! TURBOJETS POWERING IT. John Robinson, Mechanician Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin 1513 University Ave. Madison, Wi. 53706 608-262-3606 FAX 608-265-2316 Current World Land Speed Record Holder Bonneville Salt Flats H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt 131.333 MPH set 1995 136.666 MPH set 1996 140.292 MPH set 2000 144.396 MPH set 2000 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 13:30:59 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "john robinson" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 02:08:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Honda Insight You folks aint' quite Right..... Keith ( I know and if My brain was rolled down a razor blade it would like rolling a BB down a Four Lane Highway......) ---------- > From: john robinson > To: land-speed@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: Honda Insight > Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 2:20 PM > > Howdy, came across something crazy on ebay > TRI JET TURBINE POWERED TOYOTA MR2 Item #566827966 > THIS IS A 1985 TOYOTA MR2 WITH THREE, THATS > RIGHT THREE!!!!! TURBOJETS POWERING IT. > > John Robinson, Mechanician > Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin > 1513 University Ave. > Madison, Wi. 53706 > 608-262-3606 > FAX 608-265-2316 > Current World Land Speed Record Holder > Bonneville Salt Flats > H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt > 131.333 MPH set 1995 > 136.666 MPH set 1996 > 140.292 MPH set 2000 > 144.396 MPH set 2000 > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 13:38:56 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'john robinson'" , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:36:56 -0700 Subject: RE: Honda Insight Howdy, came across something crazy on ebay TRI JET TURBINE POWERED TOYOTA MR2 Item #566827966 THIS IS A 1985 TOYOTA MR2 WITH THREE, THATS RIGHT THREE!!!!! TURBOJETS POWERING IT. John Robinson, Mechanician /////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Take one wheel off and run it as a motorcycle! Dale C. :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 14:04:50 2001 From: "Richard Fox" To: "Hyatt Engineering Ltd" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:01:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Honda Insight List; "Turbo-compound" I love it. Maybe we can do that again. How could you get a 3350 in a 'liner? R. Fox -----Original Message----- From: Hyatt Engineering Ltd >The insight is the gas/electric hybridbe considered a battery ? >The only LSR precedent I know of for hybrid thermodynamic cycles is the >"turbo compounding" rule, apparently allowing the use of "turbo machinery" >to drive the rear axle if it is feed only exhaust gasses (the "compressor" >is an internal combustion engine) and bumping the engine to the blown >classification. There was a thread regarding that rule on this list several >months ago /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 14:34:50 2001 From: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham To: Scott Cowle , Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:36:23 -0600 Subject: Re: timing chains Scott, I agree with Howard. Also if you check the cam timing now that the chain is stretched and adjust accordingly, the cam timing will more than likely stay put for a long time. It works for me. Skip Higginbotham At 02:08 PM 3/5/01 , you wrote: > Yesterday as I tore my engine down to replace the camshaft I noticed my >timing chain had excessive slop in it . This chain was put in only last >winter and the total mileage couldn't exceed 4000miles.It is a double roller >and is in a 440 mopar engine . The chain itself is a Mopar Performance >piece.Anyone else experience this kind of premature wear in a chain before? >I can't see how I could have installed it incorrectly. >Scott /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 14:45:24 2001 From: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham To: "The Butters Family" , Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:46:57 -0600 Subject: Re: Fw: A View of your house Well I checked that.....and I'm on the correct side of the picture. LOL Also on the right side of the tracks....I think. Actually they have the little marker on the west side of the road next to the lake....I am sitting on the other side of the road. Skip (who really did check to see if he was right!) At 10:05 PM 3/5/01 , you wrote: > Gee skip maybe you are sitting on the wrong side of the picture. Kvach /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 14:50:02 2001 From: Dick J To: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:49:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: timing chains & timing gears I have always been intrigued by the various "no chain" timing gear sets offered for modern V-8s, and assumed that they must not really work, or else they would be the "standard of the industry" for racing. What's the deal with those timing gears? Why aren't they the answer? Dick J --- Skip & Joyce Higginbotham wrote: > Scott, > I agree with Howard. Also if you check the cam > timing now that the chain is > stretched and adjust accordingly, the cam > timing will more than likely stay > put for a long time. It works for me. > Skip Higginbotham Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 14:52:40 2001 From: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham To: "Richard Fox" , Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:52:57 -0600 Subject: Re: Honda Insight Easy....make a BIG liner! Skip At 03:01 PM 3/6/01 , you wrote: >List; "Turbo-compound" I love it. Maybe we can do that again. How could you >get a 3350 in a 'liner? R. Fox >-----Original Message----- >From: Hyatt Engineering Ltd > >>The insight is the gas/electric hybridbe considered a battery ? >>The only LSR precedent I know of for hybrid thermodynamic cycles is the >>"turbo compounding" rule, apparently allowing the use of "turbo machinery" >>to drive the rear axle if it is feed only exhaust gasses (the "compressor" >>is an internal combustion engine) and bumping the engine to the blown >>classification. There was a thread regarding that rule on this list >several >>months ago /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 15:04:18 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:00:19 -0500 Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears Ok I am curious.. What is a 'no chain' timing gear set ??? Dave Dahlgren Dick J wrote: > > I have always been intrigued by the various "no > chain" timing gear sets offered for modern V-8s, > and assumed that they must not really work, or > else they would be the "standard of the industry" > for racing. What's the deal with those timing > gears? Why aren't they the answer? > > Dick J > > --- Skip & Joyce Higginbotham > wrote: > > Scott, > > I agree with Howard. Also if you check the cam > > timing now that the chain is > > stretched and adjust accordingly, the cam > > timing will more than likely stay > > put for a long time. It works for me. > > Skip Higginbotham > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 15:06:31 2001 From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" To: "Wester S Potter" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:04:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Weather Well, here in Tacoma it is currently warm and sunny with beautiful blue skies. I have all my windows open for the first time in months. Of course, my cat thinks this means it's time to climb the screens but oh well. I'm just thankful for the gorgeous weather. MeShawn MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler Independent Associates Pre-Paid Legal Services., Inc. email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wester S Potter" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: Weather > Don't any of you old hot rodders pull anything while shoveling snow on the > east coast (hope you hopped up your snow blowers) or filling sand-bags on > the west coast. The weather on both coasts looks nasty. > > We're sitting here in Salt Lake City with a split jet stream taking the > storms around us. Partly cloudy with highs in the low sixties today. > Wonderful sunset tonight. > > Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 15:08:39 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Dave Dahlgren" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 03:46:30 -0600 Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears Gear Drive's? K ---------- > From: Dave Dahlgren > To: land-speed@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears > Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 4:00 PM > > Ok I am curious.. What is a 'no chain' timing gear set ??? > Dave Dahlgren > > Dick J wrote: > > > > I have always been intrigued by the various "no > > chain" timing gear sets offered for modern V-8s, > > and assumed that they must not really work, or > > else they would be the "standard of the industry" > > for racing. What's the deal with those timing > > gears? Why aren't they the answer? > > > > Dick J > > > > --- Skip & Joyce Higginbotham > > wrote: > > > Scott, > > > I agree with Howard. Also if you check the cam > > > timing now that the chain is > > > stretched and adjust accordingly, the cam > > > timing will more than likely stay > > > put for a long time. It works for me. > > > Skip Higginbotham > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 15:13:18 2001 From: Dick J To: Dave Dahlgren , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:13:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears Like the Pete Jackson or Edelbrock set that runs an idler gear so that the cam is driven by direct gear drive off the crankshaft rather than by a chain around two sprockets. Dick J --- Dave Dahlgren wrote: > Ok I am curious.. What is a 'no chain' timing > gear set ??? > Dave Dahlgren Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 15:15:01 2001 From: Dick J To: Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:14:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: CAT MeShawn, Is your cat climbing on the inside trying to get out, or on the outside trying to get in? ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 15:29:13 2001 From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" To: "Dick J" , "Wester S Potter" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:27:07 -0800 Subject: Re: CAT Inside, not necessarily trying to get out but trying to drive me nuts I think :) MeShawn MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler Independent Associates Pre-Paid Legal Services., Inc. email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick J" To: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" ; "Wester S Potter" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 2:14 PM Subject: CAT > MeShawn, > Is your cat climbing on the inside trying to get > out, or on the outside trying to get in? > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 16:30:27 2001 From: RACE427@aol.com To: lsr_man@yahoo.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:29:22 EST Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears and I understand they are real noisy !! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 16:45:04 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: , , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:44:23 -0800 Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears So are valves hitting the pistons. Noise in a race car, I can't understand that. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears > and I understand they are real noisy !! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 16:57:57 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Dick J" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:00:29 -0500 Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears Dick I haven't run a timing chain in years. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick J" To: "Skip & Joyce Higginbotham" ; "Scott Cowle" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 4:49 PM Subject: timing chains & timing gears > I have always been intrigued by the various "no > chain" timing gear sets offered for modern V-8s, > and assumed that they must not really work, or > else they would be the "standard of the industry" > for racing. What's the deal with those timing > gears? Why aren't they the answer? > > Dick J > > > --- Skip & Joyce Higginbotham > wrote: > > Scott, > > I agree with Howard. Also if you check the cam > > timing now that the chain is > > stretched and adjust accordingly, the cam > > timing will more than likely stay > > put for a long time. It works for me. > > Skip Higginbotham > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 17:13:25 2001 From: " saltsix" To: "land-speed" Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:58:45 -0800 Subject: Timing chains Kieth,Katy and I know that you never get chain stretch with our motors.(love those inline motors) --- R.D.Hedstrom --- saltsix@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 17:49:59 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: RACE427@aol.com, lsr_man@yahoo.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:49:16 EST Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears Does all this timing chain VS timing gear drive mean that all Fords 1903-53 were realy hi tech? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 17:54:18 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:51:34 -0600 Subject: Chat Room Okay this is silly.... Us East Coast Guys gotta wait on the West coast Guys to get home from work....( I have been to WORK in California.... it's alot like work only easier) Anyway I am going to putt over to the chat room early and get a head start bad mouthing Glen .... even if I have to do it by myself at least I can put it in the archives..... I have checked it out and thou it loads slow it's up and operational... Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 18:12:24 2001 From: RACE427@aol.com To: Want1937hd@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:11:46 EST Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears Chevys were all timing gears back in those days, they never used a hi tech chain until 1954 with the small block design. They really screwed up with the candy coated sprockets!!!!! TTYS, Tony /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 18:13:42 2001 From: RACE427@aol.com To: Want1937hd@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:13:10 EST Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears I do not know what Fords used but they beat everyone to the punch with their V8. I know Chevy had a V8 in 1917. Regards, Tony G /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 19:05:07 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "glen barrett" , , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:06:33 -0700 Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears Good one! Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "glen barrett" To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears > So are valves hitting the pistons. Noise in a race car, I can't understand > that. > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears > > > > and I understand they are real noisy !! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 19:09:21 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:10:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Weather MeShawn, Lived in Tacoma form 1958 thru 1963. Part of the time on Steilacom (sp) lake and part of the time on Pearl street in view of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. Nice place. Sure different than S.E. Arizona. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" To: "Wester S Potter" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Weather > Well, here in Tacoma it is currently warm and sunny with beautiful blue > skies. I have all my windows open for the first time in months. Of course, > my cat thinks this means it's time to climb the screens but oh well. I'm > just thankful for the gorgeous weather. > > MeShawn > > MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler > Independent Associates > Pre-Paid Legal Services., Inc. > email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com > web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wester S Potter" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:16 PM > Subject: Weather > > > > Don't any of you old hot rodders pull anything while shoveling snow on the > > east coast (hope you hopped up your snow blowers) or filling sand-bags on > > the west coast. The weather on both coasts looks nasty. > > > > We're sitting here in Salt Lake City with a split jet stream taking the > > storms around us. Partly cloudy with highs in the low sixties today. > > Wonderful sunset tonight. > > > > Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 20:11:46 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Nafzger" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:11:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Weather Sure a small world, I was at FT Lewis from 58 to 60 4th Div Avaition Co. Chopper Hyd. Mech. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nafzger" To: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" ; "Wester S Potter" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Weather > MeShawn, > Lived in Tacoma form 1958 thru 1963. Part of the time on Steilacom (sp) > lake and part of the time on Pearl street in view of the Tacoma Narrows > Bridge. > Nice place. Sure different than S.E. Arizona. > Howard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" > To: "Wester S Potter" ; > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: Weather > > > > Well, here in Tacoma it is currently warm and sunny with beautiful blue > > skies. I have all my windows open for the first time in months. Of > course, > > my cat thinks this means it's time to climb the screens but oh well. I'm > > just thankful for the gorgeous weather. > > > > MeShawn > > > > MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler > > Independent Associates > > Pre-Paid Legal Services., Inc. > > email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com > > web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wester S Potter" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:16 PM > > Subject: Weather > > > > > > > Don't any of you old hot rodders pull anything while shoveling snow on > the > > > east coast (hope you hopped up your snow blowers) or filling sand-bags > on > > > the west coast. The weather on both coasts looks nasty. > > > > > > We're sitting here in Salt Lake City with a split jet stream taking the > > > storms around us. Partly cloudy with highs in the low sixties today. > > > Wonderful sunset tonight. > > > > > > Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 20:12:48 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "LSR Group" Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:18:25 -0600 Subject: Timing chains ISKY used to offer a reverse rotation cam for the small block Chevy, and it used a 2 gear dirve just like a Chevy Six. Wonder if they still have that? Jerry in Dallas. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 20:25:54 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "JERRY FOSTER" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:27:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Timing chains Jerry, The "mule" motor we ran last year had that setup but I honestly know if it is still available. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "LSR Group" Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Timing chains > ISKY used to offer a reverse rotation cam for the small block Chevy, and it > used a 2 gear dirve just like a Chevy Six. Wonder if they still have that? > Jerry in Dallas. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 20:40:14 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "glen barrett" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:41:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Weather Glen, Sure hope you never saw my bright red 1949 Plymouth 2 dr. sedan with the 354 hemi in it. I used to run it in the grudge races at Puyallup Dragway on Wednesday nights and broke all the traffic laws on the other 6 days. It had reversed wheels painted black, traction bars, Dodge overdrive 3 speed and a 4.30 four pinion pumpkin from a 1/2 ton pickup. Still have the hub puller with the striking wrench that I used when I sheared an axle key. Had Airlift bags in the front coils to try and hook the squirrel up. Remember those days? Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "glen barrett" To: "Nafzger" ; "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" ; "Wester S Potter" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Weather > Sure a small world, I was at FT Lewis from 58 to 60 > 4th Div Avaition Co. Chopper Hyd. Mech. > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nafzger" > To: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" ; "Wester S Potter" > ; > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: Weather > > > > MeShawn, > > Lived in Tacoma form 1958 thru 1963. Part of the time on Steilacom (sp) > > lake and part of the time on Pearl street in view of the Tacoma Narrows > > Bridge. > > Nice place. Sure different than S.E. Arizona. > > Howard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" > > To: "Wester S Potter" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:04 PM > > Subject: Re: Weather > > > > > > > Well, here in Tacoma it is currently warm and sunny with beautiful blue > > > skies. I have all my windows open for the first time in months. Of > > course, > > > my cat thinks this means it's time to climb the screens but oh well. > I'm > > > just thankful for the gorgeous weather. > > > > > > MeShawn > > > > > > MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler > > > Independent Associates > > > Pre-Paid Legal Services., Inc. > > > email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com > > > web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Wester S Potter" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:16 PM > > > Subject: Weather > > > > > > > > > > Don't any of you old hot rodders pull anything while shoveling snow on > > the > > > > east coast (hope you hopped up your snow blowers) or filling sand-bags > > on > > > > the west coast. The weather on both coasts looks nasty. > > > > > > > > We're sitting here in Salt Lake City with a split jet stream taking > the > > > > storms around us. Partly cloudy with highs in the low sixties today. > > > > Wonderful sunset tonight. > > > > > > > > Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 20:55:03 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: fosterap@flash.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:54:25 EST Subject: Re: Timing chains In a message dated 3/6/01 10:13:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, fosterap@flash.net writes: << ISKY used to offer a reverse rotation cam for the small block Chevy, and it used a 2 gear dirve just like a Chevy Six. Wonder if they still have that? Jerry in Dallas. >> ...............Was that for boat use? Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 6 21:43:07 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Nafzger" , Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:42:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Weather Howard Gene Adams(Hilborn) and I were stationed together and raced at Sheldon drag strip. Met up with Terrel Poege who later become an NHRA official up there. They had a dragster with a potvin front drive blower on the Chrys. Also saw the bustle bomb run for exibition. Seen it more down here. Small world. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nafzger" To: "glen barrett" ; "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" ; "Wester S Potter" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Weather > Glen, > Sure hope you never saw my bright red 1949 Plymouth 2 dr. sedan with the > 354 hemi in it. I used to run it in the grudge races at Puyallup Dragway on > Wednesday nights and broke all the traffic laws on the other 6 days. It had > reversed wheels painted black, traction bars, Dodge overdrive 3 speed and a > 4.30 four pinion pumpkin from a 1/2 ton pickup. Still have the hub puller > with the striking wrench that I used when I sheared an axle key. Had Airlift > bags in the front coils to try and hook the squirrel up. Remember those > days? > Howard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "glen barrett" > To: "Nafzger" ; "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" > ; "Wester S Potter" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: Weather > > > > Sure a small world, I was at FT Lewis from 58 to 60 > > 4th Div Avaition Co. Chopper Hyd. Mech. > > Glen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nafzger" > > To: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" ; "Wester S Potter" > > ; > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:10 PM > > Subject: Re: Weather > > > > > > > MeShawn, > > > Lived in Tacoma form 1958 thru 1963. Part of the time on Steilacom (sp) > > > lake and part of the time on Pearl street in view of the Tacoma Narrows > > > Bridge. > > > Nice place. Sure different than S.E. Arizona. > > > Howard > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" > > > To: "Wester S Potter" ; > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: Weather > > > > > > > > > > Well, here in Tacoma it is currently warm and sunny with beautiful > blue > > > > skies. I have all my windows open for the first time in months. Of > > > course, > > > > my cat thinks this means it's time to climb the screens but oh well. > > I'm > > > > just thankful for the gorgeous weather. > > > > > > > > MeShawn > > > > > > > > MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler > > > > Independent Associates > > > > Pre-Paid Legal Services., Inc. > > > > email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com > > > > web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Wester S Potter" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:16 PM > > > > Subject: Weather > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't any of you old hot rodders pull anything while shoveling snow > on > > > the > > > > > east coast (hope you hopped up your snow blowers) or filling > sand-bags > > > on > > > > > the west coast. The weather on both coasts looks nasty. > > > > > > > > > > We're sitting here in Salt Lake City with a split jet stream taking > > the > > > > > storms around us. Partly cloudy with highs in the low sixties > today. > > > > > Wonderful sunset tonight. > > > > > > > > > > Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 01:48:09 2001 From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" To: "glen barrett" , "Nafzger" Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:44:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Weather Howard, Lived in Steilacoom when I first got here. Wish I could move back there. Unfortunately, my job as an apartment manager keeps me here in the North End of Tacoma (Downtown icky). And Glen, You probably already know I'm here because my hubby is stationed at Ft. Lewis. Most definitely is a small world. MeShawn MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler Independent Associates Pre-Paid Legal Services., Inc. email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler ----- Original Message ----- From: "glen barrett" To: "Nafzger" ; "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" ; "Wester S Potter" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: Re: Weather > Sure a small world, I was at FT Lewis from 58 to 60 > 4th Div Avaition Co. Chopper Hyd. Mech. > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nafzger" > To: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" ; "Wester S Potter" > ; > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: Weather > > > > MeShawn, > > Lived in Tacoma form 1958 thru 1963. Part of the time on Steilacom (sp) > > lake and part of the time on Pearl street in view of the Tacoma Narrows > > Bridge. > > Nice place. Sure different than S.E. Arizona. > > Howard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" > > To: "Wester S Potter" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:04 PM > > Subject: Re: Weather > > > > > > > Well, here in Tacoma it is currently warm and sunny with beautiful blue > > > skies. I have all my windows open for the first time in months. Of > > course, > > > my cat thinks this means it's time to climb the screens but oh well. > I'm > > > just thankful for the gorgeous weather. > > > > > > MeShawn > > > > > > MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler > > > Independent Associates > > > Pre-Paid Legal Services., Inc. > > > email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com > > > web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Wester S Potter" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:16 PM > > > Subject: Weather > > > > > > > > > > Don't any of you old hot rodders pull anything while shoveling snow on > > the > > > > east coast (hope you hopped up your snow blowers) or filling sand-bags > > on > > > > the west coast. The weather on both coasts looks nasty. > > > > > > > > We're sitting here in Salt Lake City with a split jet stream taking > the > > > > storms around us. Partly cloudy with highs in the low sixties today. > > > > Wonderful sunset tonight. > > > > > > > > Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 02:32:56 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: glen barrett , Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:09:04 -0800 Subject: Re: A View of your house WOW! What a great site! With a 2X zoom you can get from the end of the access road to the start of the course we have been using the last few years ... and in color too. Certainly shows how much of the area is under water at the present time. Thanks for the heads-up Glen. Wes on 3/5/01 10:26 AM, glen barrett at speedtimer@charter.net wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reyno, Eugene R" > To: "Becky" ; "Kay, Muffin & Bear" ; > "Mills, Steve" ; "Rauscher, Mark" > ; "Ruedas, Andrew" > ; "Speedtimer" ; > "Steve" ; "Storage, Hoda" > ; "Sue" ; "Webb, > Jennifer" ; "Whitted, Judy" > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:50 AM > Subject: A View of your house > > >> >> >>> Enter your address for a satellite view of >>> your neighborhood... even down to house level. This is >>> cool, but a little scary. > >>> http://www.globexplorer.com/cfviewer/start.cfm >> /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 02:33:28 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: , , Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:12:33 -0800 Subject: photo op ... Wonder if the cameras would survive our outhouse races? Wilkinson, any comment? Wes on 3/5/01 9:50 AM, Nt788@aol.com at Nt788@aol.com wrote: X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > > Put a camera in the top of the crapper room so you can get a picture of > who is putting the cameras in the bottom. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 04:41:15 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: , , Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 05:38:30 -0600 Subject: Re: Timing chains I have been running Jesel Belt Drive's ... the hype is they dampen out the harmonic's between the Crank and the Valvetrain.... Biggest reason I saw to run them was the adjustability allowed in Cam Timing... I made a special tool and I can adjust the Cam timing in about 5 min. I did have a Belt Drive Failure that first trip to the salt... it was due to an old Belt drive that didn't have a left hand thread bolt.... Just thought I would throw that one in there..... Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Timing chains > In a message dated 3/6/01 10:13:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > fosterap@flash.net writes: > > << ISKY used to offer a reverse rotation cam for the small block Chevy, and it > used a 2 gear dirve just like a Chevy Six. Wonder if they still have that? > Jerry in Dallas. >> > ...............Was that for boat use? Bob in Connecticut > > ///> /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 05:09:53 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: , Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 22:48:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Weather I'd ask for a snow depth report from all the list members along the East coast but since the first liar doesn't stand a chance I guess we'll just have to watch the weather channel. Hope you all enjoy the snow. Wes on 3/6/01 6:33 AM, Want1937hd@aol.com at Want1937hd@aol.com wrote: > Hi Wes, Thanks for the weather report! It is snowing lightly right now, no > big deal. I remove the snow the old fashoned way one shovel load at a time. > It helps to pretend that it is salt and I'm geting a race course ready. Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 06:22:23 2001 From: "Jon Wennerberg" To: "LSR list \(E-mail\)" Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:24:13 -0500 Subject: Snow Depth up north Here in Marquette, Michigan - in the Upper Peninsula, 'way up north of Green Bay, Wisconsin (look it up!) - we got another 15.8" Monday, bringing our season total to 251.7, according to the newspaper daily report. Divide 251.7 by 12 to find the number of feet of snow we've had so far. I'll send a photo of my snowplow to those who wonder how we live with this. I seldom get a motorcycle on the road before May. Jon /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 06:40:59 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:40:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Timing Gears The timing gears on the Flathead/Ardun are a good feature. Aluminum on the cam and steel on the crank. They are helical to reduce or eliminate noise. For racing they would be even more ideal if they were straight-cut gears, but would make more noise. The slightest clearance in the gear mesh would have the gear teeth rattling against each due to tiny backlash motions in the cam and crank. The beloved Vincent motorcycle engine is well known for this noise, as are the Harley and Triumph twins. The helical gears have a small end-thrust which is less ideal, but probably insignificant in terms of drag loss. Helical gears make less or no noise because at least two teeth per gear are always in mesh. The racing small block chevy would have an ideal setup with the reverse-rotation cam and two straight-cut gears, but the cam would always be a non-standard hassle. Had a dusting of snow yesterday down here in the Dismal Swamp, and a touch of ice on the roads brought a slew of crack-ups, since folks down here don't know how to drive on ice. We're lucky with the climate here in coastal Virginia, the "ocean effect" usually keeps us just warm enough to dodge snow. Cheers, Ardun Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 06:45:54 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: wspotter@jps.net, Want1937hd@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:45:33 EST Subject: Re: Weather In a message dated 3/7/01 7:09:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, wspotter@jps.net writes: << I'd ask for a snow depth report from all the list members along the East coast but since the first liar doesn't stand a chance I guess we'll just have to watch the weather channel. Hope you all enjoy the snow. Wes >> =========Western Connecticut: Just went out and checked for you Wes TEN inches! Sure did get over reported! Storm of the century my foot. Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 06:48:55 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Jon Wennerberg" , Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:46:14 -0600 Subject: Re: Snow Depth up north Well Hey Jon.... welcome to the list... hadn't noticed a Post before.... All of our old e-mails are located at www.listquest.com you can go check the archives on about any subject.... The group isn't real fancy.... just a bunch of folks hanging out Bench racing land speed racing... we try and keep a semi wholesome family atmosphere... Enjoy... Keith Turk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Wennerberg" To: "LSR list (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:24 AM Subject: Snow Depth up north > Here in Marquette, Michigan - in the Upper Peninsula, 'way up north of Green > Bay, Wisconsin (look it up!) - we got another 15.8" Monday, bringing our > season total to 251.7, according to the newspaper daily report. > > Divide 251.7 by 12 to find the number of feet of snow we've had so far. > I'll send a photo of my snowplow to those who wonder how we live with this. > > I seldom get a motorcycle on the road before May. > > Jon /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 07:00:49 2001 From: "Jerry Dickinson" To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 06:00:31 -0800 Subject: Sorry! Sorry. I missed you all last nite in the chat room. Had to go and drop off the Down payment on the house last nite. Jerry D. _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 07:01:39 2001 From: Dick J To: glen barrett , RACE427@aol.com, Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:01:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears Some of the gear drives are square cut teeth on the gears and make a lot of whine somewhat like a jimmy blower. Street guys get off on the noise. Dick J --- glen barrett wrote: > So are valves hitting the pistons. Noise in a > race car, I can't understand > that. > Glen > ----- ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 07:03:18 2001 From: Dick J To: John Beckett , Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:03:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears --- John Beckett wrote: > Dick > > I haven't run a timing chain in years. > > JB > ----- I'm glad to hear that/ First of all, I think I'd like to try a gear set, second, I was starting to think I was the only one on the list who had ever heard of the gear drive setups. Dick J ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 07:04:24 2001 From: Dick J To: Want1937hd@aol.com, RACE427@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:04:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears --- Want1937hd@aol.com wrote: > Does all this timing chain VS timing gear drive > mean that all Fords 1903-53 > were realy hi tech? ABSOLUTELY - - AS ARE MOST STICK SIXES ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 07:07:17 2001 From: Dick J To: JERRY FOSTER , LSR Group Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:07:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Timing chains PRETTY SURE THEY DO. DICK --- JERRY FOSTER wrote: > ISKY used to offer a reverse rotation cam for > the small block Chevy, and it > used a 2 gear dirve just like a Chevy Six. > Wonder if they still have that? > Jerry in Dallas. > ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 07:12:58 2001 From: Dick J To: Wester S Potter , Want1937hd@aol.com, Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:12:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Weather I talked to Doug Anderson on the phone last night. He has had a whole bunch of snow way up thar in upstate new yawk. Said he spent most of the afternoon plowing his drive so he could get out in the morning. Dick J no snow in east texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 07:14:28 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Keith Turk'" , Jon Wennerberg , Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:13:38 -0700 Subject: RE: Snow Depth up north Subject: Re: Snow Depth up north Yikes, Jon! Almost 21 feet? Your snow blower must look like the ones the highway department has. In Arizona we drive to the snow, at least we don't have to shovel heat. Welcome to the list. Dale C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 07:20:20 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , Jon Wennerberg , Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:20:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Snow Depth up north Yeah, welcome to the list Jon. > > I'll send a photo of my snowplow to those who > wonder how we live with > this. > > > > I seldom get a motorcycle on the road before > May. > > > > Jon wait a minute. Are those two comments related? ? You got a snow plow on a motorcycle?? tsk tsk ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 07:44:34 2001 From: "Jim Dincau" To: "land speed list" Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:43:56 -0800 Subject: photo site Glen, send me the URL of that photo/map site again, I forgot to book mark it. Jim in Palmdale /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 08:11:34 2001 From: Joe Amo To: glen barrett Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 21:58:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Weather I just missed you guys, I got some training there in 1990, I am sure I stayed in the same barracks. Joe glen barrett wrote: > Sure a small world, I was at FT Lewis from 58 to 60 > 4th Div Avaition Co. Chopper Hyd. Mech. > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nafzger" > To: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" ; "Wester S Potter" > ; > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: Weather > > > MeShawn, > > Lived in Tacoma form 1958 thru 1963. Part of the time on Steilacom (sp) > > lake and part of the time on Pearl street in view of the Tacoma Narrows > > Bridge. > > Nice place. Sure different than S.E. Arizona. > > Howard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" > > To: "Wester S Potter" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:04 PM > > Subject: Re: Weather > > > > > > > Well, here in Tacoma it is currently warm and sunny with beautiful blue > > > skies. I have all my windows open for the first time in months. Of > > course, > > > my cat thinks this means it's time to climb the screens but oh well. > I'm > > > just thankful for the gorgeous weather. > > > > > > MeShawn > > > > > > MeShawn & Jeremy Fowler > > > Independent Associates > > > Pre-Paid Legal Services., Inc. > > > email: meshawn_fowler@prepaidlegal.com > > > web address: www.prepaidlegal.com/go/meshawn_fowler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Wester S Potter" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:16 PM > > > Subject: Weather > > > > > > > > > > Don't any of you old hot rodders pull anything while shoveling snow on > > the > > > > east coast (hope you hopped up your snow blowers) or filling sand-bags > > on > > > > the west coast. The weather on both coasts looks nasty. > > > > > > > > We're sitting here in Salt Lake City with a split jet stream taking > the > > > > storms around us. Partly cloudy with highs in the low sixties today. > > > > Wonderful sunset tonight. > > > > > > > > Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 08:50:31 2001 From: Dick J To: Joe Amo , glen barrett Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:50:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Ft Lewis You guys sure make me feel very old. I passed through there in 1971. Turned in my flak jacket for a leather jacket and a Harley! ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 08:52:49 2001 From: Dick J To: Ben Delozier , Wester S Potter Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:52:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Flathead Ford Intake I.D.? Some speed equipment suppliers had their own manifolds cast up to sell in their catalogs in the fifties. It might be one of those. Many of them were made by other "brand-name" companies and sold as generics. If I remember right, Almquist, had some made by Offy. Dick J --- Ben Delozier wrote: > I'm trying to help a friend out  I.D.ing a two > pot flatty intake that has > no markings on it other than the word "custom" > running diagonally inbetween > the carb mounts. Any idea who it was made by? > Is it anything special? > > Thanks, > Ben DeLozier Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 09:35:50 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: lsr_man@yahoo.com, bend@aaronsap.com, wspotter@jps.net, Want1937hd@aol.com, Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:34:51 EST Subject: Re: Flathead Ford Intake I.D.? Ben, call Mike Russell 831 662 1932 he has every flathead manifold and heads that ever existed he just acquired a set of Shultz heads with vertical fins (to clear out mud) Jack Costella /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 12:30:15 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:30:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cam Installation Well, I'm getting ready to put the cam and kit into the SBC. Believe it or not, this is the first time I have changed a cam in a motor that was not OHC! Every article I have ever read always makes a big deal of smearing everything real well with new cam lube. Since this is a used cam and lifters (all numbered), I don't have any "new cam lube". Is that stuff available at Auto Zone, or is there another over-the-shelf product that I should use? ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 13:16:29 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:12:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Cam Installation you ought to be able to get it a better parts store or an automotive machine shop.. Be sure that when you install the cam that all the lifters spin when you rotate the cam. Easiest way to check is to put a small mark on the edge of the lifters and put the cam gear on with no chain. Use a speed wrench or cordless drill with a socket to spin the cam in the correct rotation and watch the lifters turn. If they don't you are headed for a very short lived cam. Oh when you do this little test just use light oil to lube everything and then lube it up good with cam lube. In all honesty if the lifters spin and it is a used cam you will probably be ok just using oil to lube it up but the cam lube does not hurt anything either. This is all assuming that it is a flat tappet cam and not a roller cam. Dave Dahlgren Dick J wrote: > > Well, I'm getting ready to put the cam and kit > into the SBC. Believe it or not, this is the > first time I have changed a cam in a motor that > was not OHC! Every article I have ever read > always makes a big deal of smearing everything > real well with new cam lube. Since this is a > used cam and lifters (all numbered), I don't have > any "new cam lube". Is that stuff available at > Auto Zone, or is there another over-the-shelf > product that I should use? > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 14:29:15 2001 From: DaCudaKid@aol.com To: wspotter@jps.net, Want1937hd@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:27:11 EST Subject: Re: Weather In a message dated 3/7/01 4:10:26 AM, wspotter@jps.net writes: << I'd ask for a snow depth report from all the list members along the East coast but since the first liar doesn't stand a chance I guess we'll just have to watch the weather channel. Hope you all enjoy the snow. Wes >> Well, since the East coast folks can't answer, I'll speak for us here in So Cal, we had 18" of snow last night, this on top of the 20" we got last week!!! Fortunately for us, the sun came out and melted t all away by 7:oo am. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 15:45:13 2001 From: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham To: "JERRY FOSTER" , Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:46:38 -0600 Subject: Re: Timing chains Jerry, I have a RR cam still. Skip At 09:18 PM 3/6/01 , you wrote: >ISKY used to offer a reverse rotation cam for the small block Chevy, and it >used a 2 gear dirve just like a Chevy Six. Wonder if they still have that? >Jerry in Dallas. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 17:09:59 2001 From: RACE427@aol.com To: lsr_man@yahoo.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:08:50 EST Subject: Re: Cam Installation I know that most of the cam manufacturers have an assembly lube for camshaft installations. You might want to use GM EOS.....Eng. Oil Supplement. I would definitely lube up that cam real good. I have even broken in cams without the inner valve springs installed, drive the engine for a while then just install the inner springs. What to give those lifters every chance to live on the camshaft !!!! Hope this helps.....Tony /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 20:20:38 2001 From: Chuck Rothfuss To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:11:43 -0500 Subject: Dry Cleaning fire suits? List, Surely someone has had a nomex fire suit cleaned and can give me some advice on this. I saw the tag that said "Dry Clean Only" in the collar of the suit, but when the dry cleaners read on to the bit about "hook and loop closed" they said they wearn't sure what that meant and didn't want to risk cleaning the thing without better instructions. I'll contact the manufacturer if necessary, but I figured with the number of experienced racers we have on this list someone must've dealt with the dry cleaning issue before. Chuck Rothfuss ECTA Pole Cat Hollow, NC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 20:34:12 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: crothfuss@coastalnet.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:33:37 EST Subject: Re: Dry Cleaning fire suits? Never mix the purples with the whites. Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 20:38:58 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "Chuck Rothfuss" , Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:40:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Dry Cleaning fire suits? Chuck, My Filler Suit says "machine wash in luke warm water and hang to dry" but I screwed up and had it dry cleaned with no apparent ill effects. It's an SFI-15 Nomex suit. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Rothfuss" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Dry Cleaning fire suits? > List, > > Surely someone has had a nomex fire suit cleaned and can give me some > advice on this. I saw the tag that said "Dry Clean Only" in the collar of > the suit, but when the dry cleaners read on to the bit about "hook and loop > closed" they said they wearn't sure what that meant and didn't want to risk > cleaning the thing without better instructions. > > I'll contact the manufacturer if necessary, but I figured with the number > of experienced racers we have on this list someone must've dealt with the > dry cleaning issue before. > > Chuck Rothfuss > ECTA > Pole Cat Hollow, NC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 7 20:57:15 2001 From: "Jim Dincau" To: "Nafzger" , "Chuck Rothfuss" Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:56:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Dry Cleaning fire suits? The instructions for my Diest -20 suit are the same and that's what I have done with no problems. Jim in Palmdale ----- Original Message ----- From: Nafzger To: Chuck Rothfuss ; Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Dry Cleaning fire suits? > Chuck, > My Filler Suit says "machine wash in luke warm water and hang to dry" but I > screwed up and had it dry cleaned with no apparent ill effects. It's an > SFI-15 Nomex suit. > Howard /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 00:04:15 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: , , Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 20:01:08 -0800 Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears Wills-St Clair had a DOHC V-8 in '23. 2500 RPM redline. Wes on 3/6/01 5:13 PM, RACE427@aol.com at RACE427@aol.com wrote: > I do not know what Fords used but they beat everyone to the punch with their > V8. I know Chevy had a V8 in 1917. Regards, Tony G /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 04:52:35 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: wspotter@jps.net, RACE427@aol.com, Want1937hd@aol.com, Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 06:52:11 EST Subject: Re: timing chains & timing gears In a message dated 3/8/01 2:04:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, wspotter@jps.net writes: << Wills-St Clair had a DOHC V-8 in '23. 2500 RPM redline. Wes on 3/6/01 5:13 PM, RACE427@aol.com at RACE427@aol.com wrote: > I do not know what Fords used but they beat everyone to the punch with their > V8. I know Chevy had a V8 in 1917. Regards, Ton >> .........Back in 1905 Darracq has an OHV V8 that did the mile at 117.66MPH..Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 04:57:38 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 05:55:04 -0600 Subject: Antique Cars I know several of you are into Antique cars.... I think Ardun Doug is another that has some neat OLD iron.... K /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 07:28:22 2001 From: "Jon Wennerberg" To: "LSR list \(E-mail\)" Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:30:02 -0500 Subject: My Oshkosh plow truck Scroll down to the second photo - I'm standing in front of the plow. I might have an action shot of it in one of the other computers - I'll take a look for it. Jon /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 09:48:55 2001 From: "Jon Wennerberg" To: "LSR list \(E-mail\)" Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:49:36 -0500 Subject: Ooops I see that I can't forward a page from my website, so I'll suggest that to see my snowplow you go to my site www.infodestruction.com , click on "Community", and scroll down to the second photo. Sorry for the inconvenience. Jon /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 09:53:42 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Keith Turk , Jon Wennerberg , Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:19:05 -0800 Subject: Re: Snow Depth up north Jon, You missed telling how that snow doesn't melt away ... it wears out just blowing around. Welcome to the list. Wes Potter on 3/7/01 5:46 AM, Keith Turk at kturk@ala.net wrote: > Well Hey Jon.... welcome to the list... hadn't noticed a Post before.... > All of our old e-mails are located at www.listquest.com you can go check > the archives on about any subject.... > > The group isn't real fancy.... just a bunch of folks hanging out Bench > racing land speed racing... we try and keep a semi wholesome family > atmosphere... Enjoy... > > Keith Turk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Wennerberg" > To: "LSR list (E-mail)" > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:24 AM > Subject: Snow Depth up north > > >> Here in Marquette, Michigan - in the Upper Peninsula, 'way up north of > Green >> Bay, Wisconsin (look it up!) - we got another 15.8" Monday, bringing our >> season total to 251.7, according to the newspaper daily report. >> >> Divide 251.7 by 12 to find the number of feet of snow we've had so far. >> I'll send a photo of my snowplow to those who wonder how we live with > this. >> >> I seldom get a motorcycle on the road before May. >> >> Jon /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 09:54:42 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:54:19 EST Subject: Re: Antique Cars In a message dated 03/08/2001 4:01:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, kturk@ala.net writes: << I know several of you are into Antique cars.... I think Ardun Doug is another that has some neat OLD iron.... >> Yeah, I was heavy into the pre-1915 stuff in between bouts with hot rods. Right now my really old stuff consists of a 1914 Ford "T" Roadster that my wife and I drove on our honeymoon (the 1965 Eureka, CA National HCCA Tour), and a full-fendered 1914 Ford "T" Rootleib body Speedster with a "BB" Rajo OHV conversion running through an early Ford V8 tranny. I also have the 27 T Roadster with the Ardun that we ran LSR in 88, a 28 Ford Sedan Delivery with a Cragar OHV converted 1934 Ford "C" engine, a mostly steel stock height 34 Ford 3-Window powered by a 401 Nailhead Buick, a 40 Ford Pickup with a 276ci Flatty, a Nailhead powered 53 Stude "pillar" coupe, a stock 60 Stude Hawk with the original 289, the 65 Mustang that my wife bought new, and the makin's of a 46 Ford COE that's being made into a pickup with a Nailhead Buick mounted in the bed right behind the cab. This assortment along with various motorcycles and "popper" engines makes up the 151 cylinders we had a count going for here on the list a few months ago. Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 10:34:14 2001 From: Dick J To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:34:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cool Stuff --- ARDUNDOUG@aol.com wrote: Right > now my really old stuff consists of a 1914 Ford > "T" Roadster that my wife and > I drove on our honeymoon I'm glad you clarified that, for a minute there I thought you went on your hneymoon in 1914 and I had found somebody that's even older than I am! ha ha Seriously, you have a really nice collection there, Doug. I've seen pictures of some of your stuff, and none of it is boneyard refugee either. Looking forward to meeting you in person one of these days, Dick J Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 10:36:47 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'ARDUNDOUG@aol.com'" , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:36:00 -0700 Subject: RE: Antique Cars Pretty impressive collection, Doug. I'm feeling "cylindrically challenged." Dale C. This assortment along with various motorcycles and "popper" engines makes up the 151 cylinders we had a count going for here on the list a few months ago. Ardun Doug King ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 12:26:57 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:26:33 EST Subject: Re: Antique Cars In a message dated 03/08/2001 9:16:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, scowle@mentorcollege.edu writes: << Doug, what does the COE stand for on the 46 ford? Scott A >> Scott, Sorry 'bout that. COE refers to "cab-over-engine", the old snub-nosed trucks that had the engine between the drivers and passengers seats.....Doug /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 12:28:50 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:28:33 EST Subject: Re: Cool Stuff In a message dated 03/08/2001 9:34:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, lsr_man@yahoo.com writes: << --- ARDUNDOUG@aol.com wrote: Right > now my really old stuff consists of a 1914 Ford > "T" Roadster that my wife and > I drove on our honeymoon I'm glad you clarified that, for a minute there I thought you went on your hneymoon in 1914 and I had found somebody that's even older than I am! ha ha Seriously, you have a really nice collection there, Doug. I've seen pictures of some of your stuff, and none of it is boneyard refugee either. Looking forward to meeting you in person one of these days, >> Dick, I'm old, but not that old. I started drawing Social Security a couple of years ago. I hope to meet you and some of the guys this year.........Ardun Doug /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 12:32:42 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:32:17 EST Subject: Re: Antique Cars In a message dated 03/08/2001 9:36:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com writes: << Pretty impressive collection, Doug. I'm feeling "cylindrically challenged." Dale C. >> Dale, I don't know if I posssess the toys or if they possess me. Once you get them restored you have to exercise and maintain them. That's a project in itself, especially when you have an 80+ lb. Lab that wants to ride everywhere with you.......Doug /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 12:35:07 2001 From: Dick J To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:34:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: COE There's a local street rodder near here who built a circa 49 Ford with a Chev big block under the bed behind the cab. He modified one of those flatbed wrecker type deals so that it not only slants back, but then it slides to the very back of the truck's chassis and drops down almost flat on the ground so he can put his very, very low rod on the bed without scraping anything. It would be a neat set-up for some of these low, low LSR cars. Dick J --- ARDUNDOUG@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 03/08/2001 9:16:35 AM > Pacific Standard Time, > scowle@mentorcollege.edu writes: > > << Doug, what does the COE stand for on > the 46 ford? > Scott > A >> > Scott, > Sorry 'bout that. COE refers to > "cab-over-engine", the old snub-nosed > trucks that had the engine between the drivers > and passengers seats.....Doug > ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 12:46:32 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:45:57 EST Subject: Re: COE In a message dated 03/08/2001 11:36:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, lsr_man@yahoo.com writes: << There's a local street rodder near here who built a circa 49 Ford with a Chev big block under the bed behind the cab. He modified one of those flatbed wrecker type deals so that it not only slants back, but then it slides to the very back of the truck's chassis and drops down almost flat on the ground so he can put his very, very low rod on the bed without scraping anything. It would be a neat set-up for some of these low, low LSR cars. >> Dick, My plans call for building a 9' long pickup box, tubbing it for the inner rear wheels, and using 39-47 Ford Dually rear fenders. I thought about an LSR hauler but with the way our operation is set up the big camper mounted on a F-350 pickup and towing the enclosed trailer works best. I hate to use the RV as a push-vehicle but one of the crew usually has a PU that we use at the event. Last year my son drove my daily driver PU to Bonneville with the spare engine (to keep the evil spirits away) in the back, giving us a built-in push vehicle............Ardun Doug /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 13:04:01 2001 From: Dick J To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:03:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: COE --- ARDUNDOUG@aol.com wrote: > My plans call for building a 9' long pickup > box, tubbing it for the inner > rear wheels, and using 39-47 Ford Dually rear > fenders. Oh, man, that ought to be sooo cool For a long time about two years ago, I thought about taking some big old MACK trucks I found lounging back in the weeds and trees behind a local oil field and turning them into giant big dually pickups. Almost the same idea. The cabs on those old Macks are so cool. I figured on using 500 inch Caddy mills and rear axles from regular 1 ton duallies, add a "cowboy sleeper behind the cab, then a pickup bed. Chrome rims, acorn lugs, side pipes, bed rails, etc, etc, oh yeah. I still think that would be cool, but now I know that I am getting way to "slowed down" to undertake so many projects. The Camaro, the hemi-roadster, the hemi-cobra, and the 49 Ford p/u are more than I can expect to finish. But then, again, if I truly retired and didn't have to waste 40 hours a week on the job .... uh ... can't do that. I didn't hit that lottery last night. ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 13:35:25 2001 From: Ronald.B.Anderson@seagate.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:34:45 -0700 Subject: On E-bay: interesting project car check this out!! Scroll down to the pictures at the bottom... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=566827966 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 16:53:14 2001 From: Richard Kensicki To: "land-speed@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:54:06 -0500 Subject: Shield & bellhousing rules clarification I was checking the rules to see if the Lakewood bellhousing I now own is legal as it doesn't have an SFI sticker on it. Section III-13 in the rule books (SCTA 2000, ECTA 2001) states "Hydroformed steel bellhousings are permitted." No mention of any SFI rating requirements. Lakewood requires recertification 5 years from date of manufacture or date of last recertification. Can anyone clarify this? Rich Kensicki /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 17:18:42 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Richard Kensicki" , Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:17:37 -0800 Subject: Re: Shield & bellhousing rules clarification Richard It should be legal. SCTA don't have the same requirements as NHRA. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kensicki" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Shield & bellhousing rules clarification > I was checking the rules to see if the Lakewood bellhousing I now own is > legal as it doesn't have an SFI sticker on it. > > Section III-13 in the rule books (SCTA 2000, ECTA 2001) states > "Hydroformed steel bellhousings are permitted." No mention of any SFI > rating requirements. Lakewood requires recertification 5 years from date > of manufacture or date of last recertification. > > Can anyone clarify this? > > Rich Kensicki /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 17:38:06 2001 From: RACE427@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:35:01 EST Subject: Check out Eagle-eye: Home Page Click here: Eagle-eye: Home Page Speedvision just had a program dedicated to Dan Gurney and his Famous Eagles, also AAR Team. I have been to his shop a real First Class Operation run by a First Class Gentleman!!!!!! Enjoy, Tony G /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 17:46:22 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:46:03 EST Subject: Re: Shield & bellhousing rules clarification In a message dated 03/08/2001 3:53:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, richk@sparta-junction.com writes: << Section III-13 in the rule books (SCTA 2000, ECTA 2001) states "Hydroformed steel bellhousings are permitted." No mention of any SFI rating requirements. Lakewood requires recertification 5 years from date of manufacture or date of last recertification. Can anyone clarify this? Rich Kensicki >> Rich, I believe that you won't have any problem getting a "Lakewood-Type" can through Tech. There are specific prohibitions on some types and materials such as aluminum and cast "cans", but the Tech guy could give you a better answer.....Ardun Doug /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 17:52:27 2001 From: "DrMayf" To: , Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:50:59 -0800 Subject: Re: On E-bay: interesting project car Looks to be engines made from large turbochargers. There is a club or group of people who do this sort of thing. And the speed potential is way overestimated. Remember, thrust equals drag at max speed and that body creates a fair amount of drag. But what a cool project... mayf ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: On E-bay: interesting project car > check this out!! > > Scroll down to the pictures at the bottom... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=566827966 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 18:24:39 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:16:19 -0500 Subject: Wonder if this woould fit? Hey if you can put 3 jet trubines on an MR2 why not put this on my Trans Am. Mayf you ought to appreciate this one. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1118328414 Just kiddin folks!!! Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 18:47:12 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: Keith Turk Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:52:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Antique Cars We are/have been restoring a 39 Chev Sedan. Been picking up parts and pieces over the years. One day Ed asked me if I wanted to go on a romantic stroll. Sure, I said. Next thing I knew, we were at his friends junk yard picking out the interior and several other parts for the car. We had the whole place to our selves as it was closed to the public except for us. The museum of my dreams. What a romantic guy!! I really loved the stroll and had a great day. Cris Shearer/salt lake city /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 19:07:55 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:07:31 EST Subject: Re: Antique Cars In a message dated 3/8/01 2:34:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com writes: << Dale, I don't know if I posssess the toys or if they possess me. Once you get them restored you have to exercise and maintain them. That's a project in itself, especially when you have an 80+ lb. Lab that wants to ride everywhere with you.......Doug >> ................WOW! That is some collection........and an 80+lb. Lab, and an understanding wife, life is good! Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 19:15:40 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: lsr_man@yahoo.com, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:14:29 EST Subject: Re: COE In a message dated 3/8/01 3:05:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, lsr_man@yahoo.com writes: << Oh, man, that ought to be sooo cool For a long time about two years ago, I thought about taking some big old MACK trucks I found lounging back in the weeds and trees behind a local oil field and turning them into giant big dually pickups. >> Dick, There is a fellow up in Maine that takes B Model Mack cabs and cuts them down to 3/4 size and puts them on Ford F-350 chassis. You can't tell that they are 3/4 unless a stocker is parked next to it. Real nice workmanship! Bob inConnecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 19:38:05 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: speedtimer@charter.net, richk@sparta-junction.com, Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:37:08 EST Subject: Re: Shield & bellhousing rules clarification I'm not trying to cause trouble but why is it SCCA Trans-AM What was IMSA and even that old school that makes 'um run flat tappet cams NASCAR All run Alloy belhousings. I gess the world ain't what it was. But NASCAR, you figure they would be more hard line than SCTA. Mike, just wondering........... /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 19:38:08 2001 From: "Jonathan Amo" To: "DrMayf" Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 19:37:55 -0700 Subject: Re: On E-bay: interesting project car Im woundering why the hell its out in the snow for anyway? Jon DrMayf wrote: > Looks to be engines made from large turbochargers. There is a club or group > of people who do this sort of thing. And the speed potential is way > overestimated. Remember, thrust equals drag at max speed and that body > creates a fair amount of drag. But what a cool project... > > mayf > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:34 PM > Subject: On E-bay: interesting project car > > > check this out!! > > > > Scroll down to the pictures at the bottom... > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=566827966 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 19:50:36 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: , , Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:49:51 -0800 Subject: Re: Shield & bellhousing rules clarification Mike & list The thing about SCTA is we don't have cars running drag race type slipper clutches that can come apart. I have seen several with the disks smoked but I have yet to see a clutch explosion at the lakes or Bonneville. Most of these guys can't afford the current clutch housings that the NHRA requires. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Shield & bellhousing rules clarification > I'm not trying to cause trouble but why is it SCCA Trans-AM What was IMSA and > even that old school that makes 'um run flat tappet cams NASCAR All run Alloy > belhousings. I gess the world ain't what it was. But NASCAR, you figure they > would be more hard line than SCTA. > > Mike, just wondering........... /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 19:55:50 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Jonathan Amo" , "DrMayf" Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:48:24 -0500 Subject: Re: On E-bay: interesting project car His own personal drivable snow blower. Why else. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Amo" To: "DrMayf" Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: Re: On E-bay: interesting project car > Im woundering why the hell its out in the snow for anyway? > > Jon /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 20:02:27 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:55:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Antique Cars Well finally something I know a little about. I was raised around antique cars. My dad had a very odd collection over the years. My 2 favorites of all times were a 1922 Buick touring car and a 1911 Brush. Both of these were very rare and different cars of their eras. The 1911 Brush was a one cylinder engine with a counter balance shaft. It had chain drives with the wheels mounted on wooden axles. Kinda like a buggy with an engine. Some of the most important aspects of the car was that it was Americas first car with 4 coil suspension, they were expanding type springs. The car was also designed so that the floor boards were removable and all work could be done from above. The transmission was a constant mesh planatary type 2 speed with reverse. A technological marvel for its time. It was a true hot rod of its day with a top speed of 30 mph.The car was designed by a man named Agustus P. Brush. He later went on to develop the Cadaliac. The 1922 Buick was typical of the touring cars of the era. It had a long stroke 4 cylinder engine. The water pump, generator, and starter were all one unit driven by a leather belt. The starter engaged the flywheel via pedal in the floor. It still had a hand crank if need be. The valve train was unique in the lifter design. All that was lacking was a small valve installed in the lifter to make it a hydraulic lifter. Both of these car were basket cases when dad bought them. Most of the missing parts were fabricate by him using picutres. I watched my dad cast his own babbit bearings then hand lap them for hours. He would make his own jigs to align bore the blocks. The Buick was really a speed demon with a top speed of 75 mph. These car were not trailer queens Dad drove them everywhere. For many years we would take a 100 mile trip across the mountains of Tennessee in the Buick to an anual car show. He enjoyed showing these car not for the trophies, but more as an enjoyment letting other people see them. He also had his share of the T models and other early model Fords, but these were his favorites. Currently both of these cars are where he would be proud for them to be. The Brush is in a museum in Canada, and the Buick is in a private collection of someone in New York who activly shows it. As for me, some of dad managed to rub off on me as I currently own a 1957 Triumph TR3 and a 1968 Mustang that was a plain jane 6 cylinder fastback that I am converting to a Shebly GT350R replica. Bill Sorry for being so long. I just like sharing my little bit of history. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 20:44:58 2001 From: "DrMayf" To: "Bill & Dee Bennett" , Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:43:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Wonder if this woould fit? Hoo, boy, you bet! You buy it and I'll get some of my rocket buddies and we'll mount that puppy on your Trans Am. We will have to add a trailer hitch though to lug the fuel tank around. What a conversation piece that would be. I wonder why P&W hasn't purchased it? SN 1 has gotta be worth something to the company. mayf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 5:16 PM Subject: Wonder if this woould fit? > Hey if you can put 3 jet trubines on an MR2 why not put this on my Trans Am. > Mayf you ought to appreciate this one. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1118328414 > > Just kiddin folks!!! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 21:10:21 2001 From: DaCudaKid@aol.com To: drmayf@teknett.com, Ronald.B.Anderson@seagate.com, Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:09:38 EST Subject: Re: On E-bay: interesting project car I talked to the guy who is selling this car, the engine is made out of three Airesaerch T88 turbos, I forgot how much thrust he said it makes but claims is a real thrill to drive, albeit, noisy. Mike in L.A. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 21:47:17 2001 From: "Jim Bodenheimer" To: Flowbench@aol.com, speedtimer@charter.net, richk@sparta-junction.com, Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 23:46:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Shield & bellhousing rules clarification Mike, >From experience, if you run an aluminum or mag bellhousing in circle track, you also have to run a trans tunnel re-inforcement. In most cases, this is a strip of 7/16" rubber. They are very strict about this rule. Of course, some of the high dollar teams run a carbon fiber strip instead of the rubber. Don't know how ECTA, STCA, etc feels about this, don't really want to open that can of worms. Jim >From: Flowbench@aol.com >Reply-To: Flowbench@aol.com >To: speedtimer@charter.net, richk@sparta-junction.com, >land-speed@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: Shield & bellhousing rules clarification >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:37:08 EST > >I'm not trying to cause trouble but why is it SCCA Trans-AM What was IMSA >and >even that old school that makes 'um run flat tappet cams NASCAR All run >Alloy >belhousings. I gess the world ain't what it was. But NASCAR, you figure >they >would be more hard line than SCTA. > > Mike, just wondering........... > > _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 23:30:03 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:29:33 EST Subject: Re: Antique Cars In a message dated 03/08/2001 7:03:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, benettw@earthlink.net writes: << Well finally something I know a little about. I was raised around antique cars. My dad had a very odd collection over the years. My 2 favorites of all times were a 1922 Buick touring car and a 1911 Brush. Both of these were very rare and different cars of their eras. The 1911 Brush was a one cylinder engine with a counter balance shaft. It had chain drives with the wheels mounted on wooden axles. Kinda like a buggy with an engine. Some of the most important aspects of the car was that it was Americas first car with 4 coil suspension, they were expanding type springs. The car was also designed so that the floor boards were removable and all work could be done from above. The transmission was a constant mesh planatary type 2 speed with reverse. A technological marvel for its time. It was a true hot rod of its day with a top speed of 30 mph.The car was designed by a man named Agustus P. Brush. He later went on to develop the Cadaliac. The 1922 Buick was typical of the touring cars of the era. It had a long stroke 4 cylinder engine. The water pump, generator, and starter were all one unit driven by a leather belt. The starter engaged the flywheel via pedal in the floor. It still had a hand crank if need be. The valve train was unique in the lifter design. All that was lacking was a small valve installed in the lifter to make it a hydraulic lifter. Both of these car were basket cases when dad bought them. Most of the missing parts were fabricate by him using picutres. I watched my dad cast his own babbit bearings then hand lap them for hours. He would make his own jigs to align bore the blocks. The Buick was really a speed demon with a top speed of 75 mph. These car were not trailer queens Dad drove them everywhere. For many years we would take a 100 mile trip across the mountains of Tennessee in the Buick to an anual car show. He enjoyed showing these car not for the trophies, but more as an enjoyment letting other people see them. He also had his share of the T models and other early model Fords, but these were his favorites. Currently both of these cars are where he would be proud for them to be. The Brush is in a museum in Canada, and the Buick is in a private collection of someone in New York who activly shows it. As for me, some of dad managed to rub off on me as I currently own a 1957 Triumph TR3 and a 1968 Mustang that was a plain jane 6 cylinder fastback that I am converting to a Shebly GT350R replica. Bill Sorry for being so long. I just like sharing my little bit of history. >> Bill, Thanks for sharing your story with us. It's always interesting to hear the automotive background of fellow List members. I had one Buick, a basket case 1910 Model 16 Toy-Tonneau, 4 cyl, 4 1/2" X 5" 318ci OHV with detachable blind cylinders (like an Offie or Novi), an aluminum crankcase, roller tappets (as I recall), and cam lobes that were pinned onto the straight bar-stock cam. The wooden body was an early "take-off" that came from a barn in upstate Niverville, NY and had the original paint, upholstery, and some pinstriping still intact. The frame had been spotted by the Harrah Collection guys near Mono Lake,CA on the CA-NV border. They didn't have a need for it so they left it in the old mining ghost town where they saw it. They told some of my fellow Horseless Carriage Club members about it and the word eventually filtered down to me. The engine came from a guy in Utah. I got most of the parts together and the body pretty much done, then decided that I wanted an airplane so I sold it to a guy who later won the Silverado (CA) Concourse with it..................Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 8 23:59:32 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:59:00 EST Subject: Re: Antique Cars In a message dated 3/9/01 1:31:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com writes: << I had one Buick, a basket case 1910 Model 16 Toy-Tonneau, 4 cyl, 4 1/2" X 5" 318ci OHV with detachable blind cylinders (like an Offie or Novi), an aluminum crankcase, roller tappets (as I recall), and cam lobes that were pinned onto the straight bar-stock cam. >> ................Doug, That is, in my opinion one of the TOP TEN brass cars to have. Bob in Connecticut. Does anyone want to hear about the 1912 AC three wheeler I had? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 00:09:36 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 02:09:15 EST Subject: Re: Antique Cars In a message dated 03/08/2001 10:59:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, Want1937hd writes: << ................Doug, That is, in my opinion one of the TOP TEN brass cars to have. Bob in Connecticut. Does anyone want to hear about the 1912 AC three wheeler I had? >> Bob, The car experiences of fellow List members are some of the most interesting reading. Let's hear about it and how about some history of the AC? The Big Brass Buicks are pretty sought after throughout the Horseless Carriage hobby. Few moderately priced cars will perform with them................Ardun Doug /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 00:58:12 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 02:57:52 EST Subject: Re: Antique Cars In a message dated 3/9/01 2:10:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com writes: << Bob, The car experiences of fellow List members are some of the most interesting reading. Let's hear about it and how about some history of the AC? The Big Brass Buicks are pretty sought after throughout the Horseless Carriage hobby. Few moderately priced cars will perform with them................Ardun Doug >> ................Sometimes you just get lucky, back in the late 1980's I was going through a new issue of Hemmings Motor News and saw an ad for a 1912 AC threewheeler in the next town north of me. I called and went to see it that night. The discription I got over the phone was accurate, it was a 1912 AC, it was all apart, and there were major parts missing (frame and body), this car wanted to follow me home! This was the first model that AC built, and was called the Auto Carrier, a inexpencine delivery vehicle used in cities. In 1963 a two seater AC,with the help of Carrol Shelby and a 289 Ford became the Cobra. The little three wheeler was a one cylinder powered unit that mounted under the single seat behind the delivery box. It had a tiller steering sysyem with stamped steel spoke wheels. I started on the restoration, but for some reason desided to part with it, which was a good thing for the little AC! I placed an ad in Hemmings and go a call from someone in North Carolina that had one and wanted pictures of mine and details. Off they went, and soon I got another call about the car from a fellow in New Hampshire. This guy was really into AC's, and wanted the car. I'm real big on first come first served and the fellow in North Carollina was first and the photos were just mailed. The fellow in New Hampshire understood this and had been in that situation before, he also said he was sending a check payment in full in the event that the first guy pulled out. I called down south a few day later, and it took me a while to realize that the guy only wanted to look at the photos, and had no intentions on buying the car! I delivered the AC remains to New Hampshite and six years later saw the car on the show field at the AACA meet in Hershey, Pa. You really need a photo now, I can't discribe how nice the car looked, it won its class, and later that year won the Edge Award for best restored Foreign car in AACA Eastern division. The owner has since added the AC that was in North Carolina and another to the stable, that is 3 of the 6 that exist in the world, and I'm happy to have been caretaker for a while. Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 02:33:24 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 03:30:49 -0600 Subject: WORDS FROM DOWN UNDER Well Gail and Doug are both in the Two Club Down Under.... Gail went 205mph and Doug Went 220 Doug Didn't have the ability to talk so this was like a Telegram..... I think she used the E motor and He ran the C... That was the Plan when they Left.... More to come when they get off the salt the end of the week... Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 02:54:39 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 03:52:08 -0600 Subject: Anitques and Time ahhh the Spring is a busy time in the Rock Business.... that and sorting out some little upgrades to the Hot Rod have taken a ton of my time.... I got Three e-mails yesterday about the list being Slow....I thought the Antique car deal would net us all a few neat story's.... ( thanks Doug and Bill and Bob...) If y'all have an idea for a neat thread Pitch it out there.... Remember this list is about what you want it to be... if you have an interest in a subject .... Shoot bring it on... bet there are several others here that are interested in it.... Remember it's not how you say something it's what you say that counts...( Most of us are phonetically challanged ) Keith ( If I took my mileage from the last two weeks and added it up....I could be in Utah ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 06:41:05 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:43:13 -0500 Subject: Re: WORDS FROM DOWN UNDER Very cool. Looks like the 205 is a true World Record. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:30 AM Subject: WORDS FROM DOWN UNDER > Well Gail and Doug are both in the Two Club Down Under.... > > Gail went 205mph and Doug Went 220 > > Doug Didn't have the ability to talk so this was like a Telegram..... I > think she used the E motor and He ran the C... That was the Plan when they > Left.... > > More to come when they get off the salt the end of the week... > > Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 06:49:08 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: DrMayf , Bill & Dee Bennett Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:40:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Wonder if this woould fit? Wonder if the track is still there on Paradise Mesa in Southern Utah? They ran those rocket sleds there with what would have to be smaller versions of this engine. You could probably break the sound barrier with that setup. Wes on 3/8/01 7:43 PM, DrMayf at drmayf@teknett.com wrote: > Hoo, boy, you bet! You buy it and I'll get some of my rocket buddies and > we'll mount that puppy on your Trans Am. We will have to add a trailer hitch > though to lug the fuel tank around. What a conversation piece that would be. > I wonder why P&W hasn't purchased it? SN 1 has gotta be worth something to > the company. > > mayf > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" > To: "Land Speed List" > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 5:16 PM > Subject: Wonder if this woould fit? > > >> Hey if you can put 3 jet trubines on an MR2 why not put this on my Trans > Am. >> Mayf you ought to appreciate this one. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1118328414 >> >> Just kiddin folks!!! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 07:00:20 2001 From: Dick J To: Cris Shearer , Keith Turk Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:00:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Romantic Stroll Hmmmm. It never dawned onme, but that must be why my wife calls me and "old romantic". I take her on strolls through old junkyards on a regular basis. ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 07:01:50 2001 From: Dick J To: Want1937hd@aol.com, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:01:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: COE I'd sure like to see one of those 3/4. Even a picture would be neat. Dick J --- Want1937hd@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/8/01 3:05:00 PM Eastern > Standard Time, lsr_man@yahoo.com > writes: > > << Oh, man, that ought to be sooo cool For a > long > time about two years ago, I thought about > taking > some big old MACK trucks I found lounging back > in > the weeds and trees behind a local oil field > and > turning them into giant big dually pickups. >> > Dick, There is a fellow up in Maine that takes > B Model Mack cabs and cuts > them down to 3/4 size and puts them on Ford > F-350 chassis. You can't tell > that they are 3/4 unless a stocker is parked > next to it. Real nice > workmanship! Bob inConnecticut Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 07:12:28 2001 From: Dick J To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:12:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Detachable Blind Cylinders --- ARDUNDOUG@aol.com wrote: > I had one Buick, a basket case 1910 Model > 16 Toy-Tonneau, 4 cyl, 4 1/2" X > 5" 318ci OHV with detachable blind cylinders > (like an Offie or Novi), an > aluminum crankcase, roller tappets (as I > recall), and cam lobes that were > pinned onto the straight bar-stock cam. That's an interesting power plant. What is a detachable blind cylinder? ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 07:13:54 2001 From: Dick J To: Want1937hd@aol.com, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:13:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Antique Cars Hey, Bob in Connecticut - tell us about your 1912 AC three wheeler. ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 07:16:42 2001 From: "Jerry Dickinson" To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 06:16:23 -0800 Subject: New Home owner HI list. Escrow just closed on my first home. Time to start building the race car. Jerry Dickinson 1080 marion ave Hemet, ca 92543 _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 07:25:21 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Want1937hd@aol.com'" , ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:24:20 -0700 Subject: RE: Antique Cars This is a really fun thread. Keep it coming! I'm currently restoring a 1950 Harley. A friend recently sold a 1927 JD his dad owned from new (rode it a few times, probably should have bought it). Dale C. The car experiences of fellow List members are some of the most interesting reading. Let's hear about it and how about some history of the AC? /// ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 07:47:26 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: lsr_man@yahoo.com, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:46:35 EST Subject: Re: Detachable Blind Cylinders Back in the old days getting a good seal with a headgasket was hard to do, so they cast the block and head together. Bugatti built all his engines this way. I remember being part of the three man crew that installed the straight eight block on the crankcase, on many restorations. One guy ran the hoist while one guy on each side compressed the rings. Some of the early eights were just two four cylinder blocks on a common crankcase. I remember finally getting one engine done only to find out we had reverced one block! Bob in snowy Connecticut....................one last thing OFFY used an EDM machine to make sure all the chambers were the same. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 07:52:08 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: og_1leg@hotmail.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:51:06 EST Subject: Re: New Home owner In a message dated 3/9/01 9:18:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, og_1leg@hotmail.com writes: << HI list. Escrow just closed on my first home. Time to start building the race car. >> ................Congratulations on your frist house! How big is the garage? Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 07:55:03 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "Jerry Dickinson" , Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:00:48 -0600 Subject: Re: New Home owner Way to go Jerry. Jerry in Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Dickinson" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 8:16 AM Subject: New Home owner > HI list. > > Escrow just closed on my first home. Time to start building the race car. > > Jerry Dickinson > 1080 marion ave > Hemet, ca 92543 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 07:56:22 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Dick J'" , ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:55:18 -0700 Subject: RE: COE Doug, You need a website with photos! Dale C. > My plans call for building a 9' long pickup > box, tubbing it for the inner > rear wheels, and using 39-47 Ford Dually rear > fenders. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 08:20:00 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Want1937hd@aol.com'" , og_1leg@hotmail.com, Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:19:03 -0700 Subject: RE: New Home owner Bob, Now that's a racer's response! When I bought my place I told the real estate lady I wanted an acre and a big garage and everything else was negotiable. Dale C. Congratulations, Jerry. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// << HI list. Escrow just closed on my first home. Time to start building the race car. >> ................Congratulations on your frist house! How big is the garage? Bob in Connecticut ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 08:54:39 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: Dick J Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 08:59:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Romantic Stroll We (women) like to go to places like this cause its a lot cheaper than going to the NEW CAR PARTS stores - and yet it still cost money - but its fun! Brings back memories as a kid, we would always check behind the seats for loose change. This was when an ice cream bar was only 4 cents. Stay, cool, cris in cloudy salt lake city. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 08:54:41 2001 From: Skip Higginbotham To: "Jerry Dickinson" , Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:56:12 -0600 Subject: Re: New Home owner Hi Jerry, Congrats on the house.....a big step. What's the racecar going to be? Skip >HI list. > >Escrow just closed on my first home. Time to start building the race car. > >Jerry Dickinson >1080 marion ave >Hemet, ca 92543 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 08:57:25 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: Jerry Dickinson Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:03:00 -0700 Subject: Re: New Home owner Congradulations!! A new home doesn't mean free time to build cars. It just means you need to manage your time even better than before. Tell us about the garage part of the house - most important room (or building) !! Cris in Salt Lake /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 09:01:26 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:00:29 -0800 Subject: Re: WORDS FROM DOWN UNDER That's really good news. A toast to both. See KT, youse guys have a three hour advantage on the early news, we the later news. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 1:30 AM Subject: WORDS FROM DOWN UNDER > Well Gail and Doug are both in the Two Club Down Under.... > > Gail went 205mph and Doug Went 220 > > Doug Didn't have the ability to talk so this was like a Telegram..... I > think she used the E motor and He ran the C... That was the Plan when they > Left.... > > More to come when they get off the salt the end of the week... > > Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 09:07:50 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Jerry Dickinson" , Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:06:51 -0800 Subject: Re: New Home owner Jerry Congrats on the new home. No excuse now. Get the garage ready and start building. See you at the lakes in May. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Dickinson" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 6:16 AM Subject: New Home owner > HI list. > > Escrow just closed on my first home. Time to start building the race car. > > Jerry Dickinson > 1080 marion ave > Hemet, ca 92543 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 09:08:25 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: "Clay, Dale" Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:13:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Antique Cars Sounds like a fun project. Tell us where you picked it up? From a friend, someone's barn, Field? When we go to car shows, I like to look at the pictures of the cars/bikes before they started restoration. Its amazing what the outcome. You have a better appreciation of all the work & effort that goes into one's dream. Cris in Salt Lake /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 09:08:59 2001 From: "Jerry Dickinson" To: kturk@ala.net, Want1937hd@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 08:08:41 -0800 Subject: Re: New Home owner My girlfriend didn't want to move that far away from work. So the house is all mine. All that really needs work is the inside. Mostly just paint and a good cleaning. Paint isn't that expensive just time consuming. The garage is big enough to build a car in. Plus you can open the second door and drive right into the back yard that has a concrete slab. I talked to the last owner and he said he used to work on car in the back yard. I will try and post some pics next week. Thank you everone! It has taken me 2 years to buy a house. I'm very happy i finally did it. Peace Jerry _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 09:11:01 2001 From: Dick J To: Cris Shearer Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:10:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Romantic Stroll Shoot. New Car Parts stores never have anything good. My wife and I do a walk-through at one every Friday night when we go out for dinner. Only stuff there that's worth buying is oil, hand cleaner and gaskets. All the good stuff comes from a boneyard. Dick J --- Cris Shearer wrote: > We (women) like to go to places like this cause > its a lot cheaper than > going to the NEW CAR PARTS stores - and yet it > still cost money - but > its fun! Brings back memories as a kid, we > would always check behind > the seats for loose change. This was when an > ice cream bar was only 4 > cents. Stay, cool, cris in cloudy salt lake > city. > ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 09:15:25 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'glen barrett'" , Keith Turk Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:14:43 -0700 Subject: RE: WORDS FROM DOWN UNDER Very cool! What color are those hats? Dale C. Subject: WORDS FROM DOWN UNDER > Well Gail and Doug are both in the Two Club Down Under.... > > Gail went 205mph and Doug Went 220 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 09:16:40 2001 From: Dick J To: Jerry Dickinson , kturk@ala.net, Want1937hd@aol.com, Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:16:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: New Home owner Oh man, this is going to be a bachelor hot rodder's house?? I can see the engine pulling gallows going up over that slab in the back yard already. The study (spare bedroom) going to be decorated with car pictures, carburetors, and valve covers? Moon disc's look really neat on the living room wall! Congratualtions! Dick J --- Jerry Dickinson wrote: > My girlfriend didn't want to move that far away > from work. So the house is > all mine. All that really needs work is the > inside. Mostly just paint and a > good cleaning. Paint isn't that expensive just > time consuming. The garage is > big enough to build a car in. Plus you can open > the second door and drive > right into the back yard that has a concrete > slab. I talked to the last > owner and he said he used to work on car in the > back yard. I will try and > post some pics next week. > > Thank you everone! > It has taken me 2 years to buy a house. I'm > very happy i finally did it. > > Peace > > Jerry Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 09:23:34 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:23:03 EST Subject: Re: New Home owner In a message dated 03/09/2001 6:18:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, og_1leg@hotmail.com writes: << HI list. Escrow just closed on my first home. Time to start building the race car. Jerry Dickinson 1080 marion ave Hemet, ca 92543 >> Jerry, Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know the feeling well..................Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 09:25:23 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Doug Odom" Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:24:32 -0800 Subject: Records Doug So great to hear you both got in Aussie two club. That's just great. Gives you two some bragging rights that others only dream about.Congrats to you both. A big hug to Gail. Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 09:27:16 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Clay, Dale" , "Keith Turk" Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:26:16 -0800 Subject: Re: WORDS FROM DOWN UNDER Down under Aussie Tan made from ROO hides. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'glen barrett'" ; "Keith Turk" ; Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 8:14 AM Subject: RE: WORDS FROM DOWN UNDER > Very cool! What color are those hats? > > Dale C. > > > Subject: WORDS FROM DOWN UNDER > > > > Well Gail and Doug are both in the Two Club Down Under.... > > > > Gail went 205mph and Doug Went 220 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient or employees of > MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 09:34:01 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:33:42 EST Subject: Re: Detachable Blind Cylinders In a message dated 03/09/2001 6:12:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, lsr_man@yahoo.com writes: << --- ARDUNDOUG@aol.com wrote: > I had one Buick, a basket case 1910 Model > 16 Toy-Tonneau, 4 cyl, 4 1/2" X > 5" 318ci OHV with detachable blind cylinders > (like an Offie or Novi), an > aluminum crankcase, roller tappets (as I > recall), and cam lobes that were > pinned onto the straight bar-stock cam. That's an interesting power plant. What is a detachable blind cylinder? >> A detachable blind cylinder has no removable cylinder head. In the old Buick the valve assembly rode in a removable cage which you took out to grind the seat. No problems with leaking head gaskets though............Ardun Doug /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 09:47:20 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: Dick J Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:52:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Romantic Stroll Maybe not so much the Parts Stores, but what seems like hundreds of car catalogs we receive and order from. As we get older, we have less time to do anything. We have lots of "wanna dos" and "need to dos" but when the week-end gets here, its all "Playtime". Cris in Salt Lake /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 10:16:57 2001 From: Dick J To: Cris Shearer Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:15:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Romantic Stroll --- Cris Shearer wrote: We have lots of "wanna dos" > and "need to dos" but when > the week-end gets here, its all "Playtime". > Cris in Salt Lake Aint that the truth! ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 10:23:07 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:20:25 -0600 Subject: Lakester Avalible Hey If anyone is truly interested in a High quality Lakester .... thought I would pass this along... John Goodman is selling his and it's a Very nice ride... I don't have the Particulars but I know a little about the History of the car and what it's done....( It's a Two Club Ride ) Small bore car with lots of Goodies.... a complete set up sorta deal... you can contact John Directly if you have an interest at /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 10:25:49 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:23:07 -0600 Subject: Lakester Sorry bout that .... hit the WRONG button... and sent that puppy..... here is John's address ggl205@swbell.net Oh by the way Dave Dahlgren has been tuning this car for Years.... it's been down the same road as my Camaro.... which oughta be enough to tell you it's got the best of everything..... K /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 10:59:17 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: Keith Turk Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:04:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Lakester We've been there for John for years helping him at the end of his run. He has always run good. I can see him already with his chute out coming towards us. Always looked real good from our far end of the course. Ed and Cris /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 11:06:29 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:08:05 -0700 Subject: Helmet ratings List, Speedway Illustrated April issue page 110 says: All Snell SA-rated helmets have Nomex fabric liners, while Snell M rated motorcycles helmets generally do not. Hope this helps, Howard /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 11:11:27 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: , , Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:13:06 -0700 Subject: Re: New Home owner Bob, I'm still in trouble on my deal after eight years, the shop is 2400 sq.ft.and the house is only 1680 sq.ft. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 7:51 AM Subject: Re: New Home owner > In a message dated 3/9/01 9:18:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, > og_1leg@hotmail.com writes: > > << HI list. > > Escrow just closed on my first home. Time to start building the race car. > >> > ................Congratulations on your frist house! How big is the garage? > Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 11:13:30 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:12:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Helmet ratings All Snell SA-rated helmets have Nomex fabric liners, while Snell M rated motorcycles helmets generally do not. Thanks Howard, that was my understanding. Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 11:15:47 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "Jerry Dickinson" , Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:17:30 -0700 Subject: Re: New Home owner Jerry, Congratulations. Always a big deal to get that first one. Hope you enjoy it. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Dickinson" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 7:16 AM Subject: New Home owner > HI list. > > Escrow just closed on my first home. Time to start building the race car. > > Jerry Dickinson > 1080 marion ave > Hemet, ca 92543 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 11:44:39 2001 From: "Jerry Dickinson" To: lsr_man@yahoo.com, kturk@ala.net, Want1937hd@aol.com, Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:44:23 -0800 Subject: Re: New Home owner You have a good idea. Decaration buy pick-a-part. Sounds good to me. My girlfriend will never want to move in then. Jerry _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 11:48:56 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:47:53 EST Subject: Re: WORDS FROM DOWN UNDER Congratulations Gail and Doug on your great achievement. It was accomplished in the true spirit of LSR! Isn't having fun, fun?! Jack Costella /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 12:56:00 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: Nafzger Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:01:26 -0700 Subject: Re: New Home owner Sounds to me like less house means less house work. What's wrong with this?? Cris in salt lake - up to my elbows in cleaning fluids and a vacuum on each floor. This is not fun!! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 12:59:26 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: nafzger@vtc.net, Want1937hd@aol.com, og_1leg@hotmail.com, Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:58:20 EST Subject: Re: New Home owner In a message dated 3/9/01 1:13:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, nafzger@vtc.net writes: << Bob, I'm still in trouble on my deal after eight years, the shop is 2400 sq.ft.and the house is only 1680 sq.ft. Howard >> ....Do you really need all that room........in the house? Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 12:59:41 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Cris Shearer" , "Nafzger" Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:56:31 -0600 Subject: Re: New Home / Howards place Sounds like High quality Planning and Judgement to me Howard..... Keith ( who didn't plan as well.... but has poor judgement ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cris Shearer" To: "Nafzger" Cc: ; ; Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: Re: New Home owner > Sounds to me like less house means less house work. What's wrong with > this?? Cris in salt lake - up to my elbows in cleaning fluids and a > vacuum on each floor. This is not fun!! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 13:22:17 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:17:26 -0500 Subject: Re: New Home owner geez that really is a big house at 1680 sq ft.. being single my place has an assembly room, cleaning room, computer room, machining area, long term storage, spares room, did come with a bath room and a bedroom too.. Saving up to remodel and add a dyno room... Dave Dahlgren Want1937hd@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/9/01 1:13:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, nafzger@vtc.net > writes: > > << Bob, > I'm still in trouble on my deal after eight years, the shop is 2400 > sq.ft.and the house is only 1680 sq.ft. > Howard >> > ....Do you really need all that room........in the house? Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 13:22:21 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Keith Turk" , "Cris Shearer" , Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:21:21 -0800 Subject: Re: New Home / Howards place KT and List You noticed he said girlfriend,not wife. Different level of power making. However at a later date............who knows. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: "Cris Shearer" ; "Nafzger" Cc: ; ; Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:56 AM Subject: Re: New Home / Howards place > Sounds like High quality Planning and Judgement to me Howard..... > > Keith ( who didn't plan as well.... but has poor judgement ) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cris Shearer" > To: "Nafzger" > Cc: ; ; > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: New Home owner > > > > Sounds to me like less house means less house work. What's wrong with > > this?? Cris in salt lake - up to my elbows in cleaning fluids and a > > vacuum on each floor. This is not fun!! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 16:13:52 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:17:45 -0500 Subject: salt Hey, anybody here anything on the current salt conditions. Still under water and still pumping I hope. JB /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 16:38:40 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "John Beckett" , Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:37:52 -0800 Subject: Re: salt John Still pumping and under water. The latest usfra.com has a note on it. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Beckett" To: "Land Speed List" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: salt > Hey, anybody here anything on the current salt conditions. Still under water > and still pumping I hope. > > JB /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 16:51:40 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "LSR Group" Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:57:30 -0600 Subject: the lakes How about rain/water on El Mirage? Hello Jim in Palmdale. Jerry in Dallas /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 17:34:03 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "JERRY FOSTER" , Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:33:11 -0800 Subject: Re: the lakes Jerry I got a e-mail note from George Calloway a couple of days ago. There is still standing water on El Mirage' and we are seven weeks away from the May meet. Heres hoping it dries in time. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "LSR Group" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: the lakes > How about rain/water on El Mirage? Hello Jim in Palmdale. Jerry in Dallas /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 17:38:09 2001 From: brian falkner To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:33:51 +1300 Subject: Junkyard wives?? Junkyard wives??... dont sound too good does it? Heh! heh!...all this brought a smile to my face when I remembered that I took my wife to the biggesr auto junkyard in NZ in my '35 Ford V8 Hotrod sedan.....on our honeymoon!...and got away with it...still married after 27 yrs!. BDF [Antipodean species] weather is just right cool mornings & hot days & the hills are beckoning. The ROAR [stags in rut] is nigh!...Eh Chris! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 17:54:15 2001 From: "Jim Dincau" To: "glen barrett" , Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:53:42 -0800 Subject: Re: the lakes Jerry and all; Just got off the phone with George Calloway. For those of you on the list not aquatinted with the Mayor of El Mirage, he lives at the west end of the lake bed. The SCTA keeps all it's equipment stored at George's place. He says there is still standing water on the lakebed and the wind is pushing it back and forth. George also said anyone who wants to receive his weekly updates on lake conditions should E-mail him at elmgeo@aol.com. Jim in Palmdale /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 18:57:46 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: Chuck Rothfuss Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:52:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Dry Cleaning fire suits? Chuck, Dry cleaning works fine if they know what they are doing. I had the misfortune of having a suit damaged from excessive heat in the process. Deist was able to repair it, but to avoid the problem be sure to remind them to be careful with the heat in the drying process. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC Chuck Rothfuss wrote: > > List, > > Surely someone has had a nomex fire suit cleaned and can give me some > advice on this. I saw the tag that said "Dry Clean Only" in the collar of > the suit, but when the dry cleaners read on to the bit about "hook and loop > closed" they said they wearn't sure what that meant and didn't want to risk > cleaning the thing without better instructions. > > I'll contact the manufacturer if necessary, but I figured with the number > of experienced racers we have on this list someone must've dealt with the > dry cleaning issue before. > > Chuck Rothfuss > ECTA > Pole Cat Hollow, NC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 20:44:31 2001 From: Joe Amo To: Dave Dahlgren Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:33:51 -0700 Subject: Re: New Home owner Thats what you think Mr. Your almost NOT single anymore, you have no freakin clue what kinda crap your savin for.....did I say that?........after looking around the room......yes I said that Cant complain Miss Judie spent the day (while I was at work) mailing nitrous parts to 2 different friends, tracked down data on data acq. upgrades, called an out of state dealer on a crank and exhaust shims........ Marriage will look good on ya Mr. Dave.....(it cant hurt) Joe Dave Dahlgren wrote: > geez that really is a big house at 1680 sq ft.. > being single my place has an assembly room, cleaning room, > computer room, machining area, long term storage, spares > room, did come with a bath room and a bedroom too.. Saving > up to remodel and add a dyno room... > Dave Dahlgren > > Want1937hd@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 3/9/01 1:13:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, nafzger@vtc.net > > writes: > > > > << Bob, > > I'm still in trouble on my deal after eight years, the shop is 2400 > > sq.ft.and the house is only 1680 sq.ft. > > Howard >> > > ....Do you really need all that room........in the house? Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 21:04:41 2001 From: RACE427@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:04:02 EST Subject: Cummins powered Dodge Ram Greetings, Just wondering how many of you drive a Cummins Diesel powered Dodge Ram ? if so how would you rate them as far as dependability goes and fuel mileage? Would you buy another one ? if so, why? if not, why not ? Have a friend looking for a 24 valver and just trying to get some feedback for him. Thanks, Tony G on LI,NY /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 21:09:13 2001 From: RACE427@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:08:51 EST Subject: Check out Crank Grinder, Welder, and Straightener FOR SALE - Click here: Crank Grinder, Welder, and Straightener FOR SALE - (19:08:25 on 03/07/01) - Lee Murphy I am sure someone on the list can use this equipment!! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 21:13:16 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: brian falkner Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:18:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Junkyard wives?? Was this before the dinner and wine or after? cris in rainy salt lake city /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 21:20:47 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: John Beckett Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:26:23 -0700 Subject: Re: salt Our 5:00 weather man said Wendover got 1/2 inch of rain today. Here in Salt Lake we got scattered rain but nothing like the downpour in Wendover. Also commented it was snowing in Nevada and heading this way, so we may pick up some more moisture. Cris in Salt Lake City. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 22:06:15 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: , Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:03:05 -0600 Subject: Re: Cummins powered Dodge Ram .... I test drove them all..... and none compared to the Ford.... Will Handzel and I had an interesting discussion on Chevrolet's new Diesel.... and if it's as good as it looks it might be the REAL deal later on.... But I am going to have a Freind somewhere that has 250,000 miles on one before I even consider it... The Ram was my first choice until I compared it.... once I drove the Ford I was Hooked on the Power.... after 110,000 miles I think I can honestly say it was a good choice.... Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: Cummins powered Dodge Ram > Greetings, Just wondering how many of you drive a Cummins Diesel powered > Dodge Ram ? if so how would you rate them as far as dependability goes and > fuel mileage? Would you buy another one ? if so, why? if not, why not ? > Have a friend looking for a 24 valver and just trying to get some feedback > for him. Thanks, Tony G on LI,NY > > /// > /// > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 23:05:39 2001 From: "The Butters Family" To: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:06:08 -0800 Subject: HVLP spray guns I've been thinking about going to a HVLP spray gun for painting cars, The variety and features have me boggled. What does a person need to spray acrylic enamels?What is a good gun? Do you guys like using them? Thanks Kvach /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 01:14:46 2001 From: brian falkner To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:58:53 +1300 Subject: Romantic junkyard blokes Brian wrote <<<>>> --------------------------- Cris Shearer then wrote <<<>> 88888888888888888 Whats that mate?..havn't you heard, you dont spoil Kiwi Sheila's like that!. Brian /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 05:34:20 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "The Butters Family" , Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 06:31:18 -0600 Subject: Re: HVLP spray guns Tried two of them still couldn't make them paint well..... I am a fan of my Sharp's and Devilbis MBC's ( old models and Not made in China ) They aren't even the new Gravity feed deals... Just old Paint guns .... well maintained but OLD.... Biggest deal about Paint isn't how it's applied it's how you work it out afterwards... Polishing is something I like to do.... I am also very impressed with the new Paints ... they seem to flow well enough to limit my actual color sanding and buffing.... I really did Paint my Camaro out on a Gravel Driveway.... and it don't look to bad.... ( PPG acrylic enamal with a hardner ) K ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Butters Family" To: Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:06 AM Subject: HVLP spray guns > I've been thinking about going to a HVLP spray gun for painting cars, > The variety and features have me boggled. What does a person need to spray > acrylic enamels?What is a good gun? Do you guys like using them? Thanks > Kvach /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 06:20:08 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:19:32 EST Subject: Re: Old Trucks In a message dated 3/9/01 10:13:15 AM Central Standard Time, lsr_man@yahoo.com writes: << So what's happening on your project Larry? You been awful quiet here lately. >> Dick J and list I have still been working on it, took the quickchange rear end and set it under the frame to start work installing brackets and spring hangers. Its funny how you can take an old farm truck lower it about 6inches add a quickchange and it starts looking like a race truck.(well It does to me ha ha ). Now for the bad part. I have always had good luck buying things off of ebay but I just got took for $1000.76 on a set of heads from this guy on ebay. His so called name is P.J. Andrews who lives in Pensacola Fl. and his email address is shhinou@aol.com. Ebay has kicked him off of there site but getting the money back looks like a problem. I later found out he has done this to other people. If anybody has any ideas on what to do I'm open to all suggestions. Thanks Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 06:42:53 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "The Butters Family" , Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:42:32 -0500 Subject: Re: HVLP spray guns Can tell you that they use less paint. And with some paints costing $200 to $300 per gal it can make a big difference. Isn't Ed Shearer our body man on the list? JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Butters Family" To: Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 1:06 AM Subject: HVLP spray guns > I've been thinking about going to a HVLP spray gun for painting cars, > The variety and features have me boggled. What does a person need to spray > acrylic enamels?What is a good gun? Do you guys like using them? Thanks > Kvach /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 07:08:29 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, bbutters@coldreams.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:07:07 EST Subject: Re: HVLP spray guns In a message dated 3/10/01 7:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, kturk@ala.net writes: << Biggest deal about Paint isn't how it's applied it's how you work it out afterwards... >> .............Keith, the prep work that you do BEFORE you paint is the biggest deal. I'm still using my old Sharps. Bob in snow covered Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 07:38:33 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Jerry Dickinson , , Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 07:35:49 -0800 Subject: Re: New Home owner Jerry, If you are following the thread about old cars and numbers of cars I'm sure you'll find that concrete slab in the back yard will be a good place to store the project CARS. Enjoy the new place. A great move for you. You're perilously close to Bonneville Racing News and Doc's Garage you know. They mail the newspaper from the Hemet post office. Wes on 3/9/01 8:08 AM, Jerry Dickinson at og_1leg@hotmail.com wrote: > My girlfriend didn't want to move that far away from work. So the house is > all mine. All that really needs work is the inside. Mostly just paint and a > good cleaning. Paint isn't that expensive just time consuming. The garage is > big enough to build a car in. Plus you can open the second door and drive > right into the back yard that has a concrete slab. I talked to the last > owner and he said he used to work on car in the back yard. I will try and > post some pics next week. > > Thank you everone! > It has taken me 2 years to buy a house. I'm very happy i finally did it. > > Peace > > Jerry > _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 07:55:48 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Cris Shearer , Dick J Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 07:45:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Romantic Stroll And "playtime" for this pair could be anywhere they can get to and back before the start of work on Monday morning. Cris, did you ever total the number of miles you put on all your cars during a year? Wes on 3/9/01 8:52 AM, Cris Shearer at cshearer@tacisp.com wrote: > Maybe not so much the Parts Stores, but what seems like hundreds of car > catalogs we receive and order from. As we get older, we have less time > to do anything. We have lots of "wanna dos" and "need to dos" but when > the week-end gets here, its all "Playtime". Cris in Salt Lake /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 07:57:19 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Nafzger , , , Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 07:48:46 -0800 Subject: Re: New Home owner Yeah, but Howard, which one is air conditioned? That would be the identifier in the hot country where you live. Wes on 3/9/01 10:13 AM, Nafzger at nafzger@vtc.net wrote: > Bob, > I'm still in trouble on my deal after eight years, the shop is 2400 > sq.ft.and the house is only 1680 sq.ft. > Howard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 7:51 AM > Subject: Re: New Home owner > > >> In a message dated 3/9/01 9:18:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> og_1leg@hotmail.com writes: >> >> << HI list. >> >> Escrow just closed on my first home. Time to start building the race car. >>>> >> ................Congratulations on your frist house! How big is the > garage? >> Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 08:36:05 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: John Beckett , Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:32:38 -0800 Subject: Re: salt Friends were in Wendover a week ago and reported the salt was under water when they drove to the end of the access road. Cris Shearer would know better than anyone. There have been problems with the "fresh" water supply getting to the pond they want to draw the brine from and with the way the salt dissolves in that pond. They shut down when the specific gravity drops below an acceptable level. The restoration project target level to pump is a million and a half tons a year. It sounds like we will be lucky if they get a million tons pumped this year. That could mean a VERY small change in the salt surface over last year when you factor in the amount they take off the racing surface in their mining operations. Usually that is three-quarters of a million tons from what I have been able to find out. We'll have a better idea around the end of June to early July. Wes on 3/9/01 3:17 PM, John Beckett at landspeedracer@email.msn.com wrote: > Hey, anybody here anything on the current salt conditions. Still under water > and still pumping I hope. > > JB /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 08:53:25 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Keith Turk , , Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:50:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Cummins powered Dodge Ram USFRA Treasurer Hugh Coltharp just got back from his "maiden voyage" to a swap meet in Southern California in his new GMC truck with the largest new big block the General makes. It's gas powered but he reports no drop off of power or need to down-shift where his relatively new Ford truck really started to labor. The truck is a two wheel drive, 3/4 ton with the full length bed and a small topper. He got better gas mileage than the Ford and was very happy with the torque it produced. Got a good deal through my brother-in-law on the purchase. Clean cash deal, no trade in, about a 10% savings and he was able to spec out the order the way he wanted it. He has the Ford for sale ... exceptionally clean, meticulously maintained, and white as salt (although it has never been on the salt at Bonneville) ... he uses his $100 Honda trail bike for that. You could have seen it at the end of the access road. Wes on 3/9/01 9:03 PM, Keith Turk at kturk@ala.net wrote: > .... I test drove them all..... and none compared to the Ford.... > > Will Handzel and I had an interesting discussion on Chevrolet's new > Diesel.... and if it's as good as it looks it might be the REAL deal later > on.... But I am going to have a Freind somewhere that has 250,000 miles on > one before I even consider it... The Ram was my first choice until I > compared it.... once I drove the Ford I was Hooked on the Power.... after > 110,000 miles I think I can honestly say it was a good choice.... > > Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 10:04 PM > Subject: Cummins powered Dodge Ram > > >> Greetings, Just wondering how many of you drive a Cummins Diesel powered >> Dodge Ram ? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 09:34:48 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Wester S Potter" , "Keith Turk" , Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:33:53 -0800 Subject: Re: Cummins powered Dodge Ram I have a 96 Dodge-Cummins Ram dulie,12 valve. No problems of any kind. I pull a trailer to the salt but not race car size. Al Teague has the same and has the Gale Banks setup on his. I pulled a race car trailer to AZ loaded and had no hill problems. I understand the 24 valve has less power though. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wester S Potter" To: "Keith Turk" ; ; Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Cummins powered Dodge Ram > USFRA Treasurer Hugh Coltharp just got back from his "maiden voyage" to a > swap meet in Southern California in his new GMC truck with the largest new > big block the General makes. It's gas powered but he reports no drop off of > power or need to down-shift where his relatively new Ford truck really > started to labor. The truck is a two wheel drive, 3/4 ton with the full > length bed and a small topper. He got better gas mileage than the Ford and > was very happy with the torque it produced. Got a good deal through my > brother-in-law on the purchase. Clean cash deal, no trade in, about a 10% > savings and he was able to spec out the order the way he wanted it. > > He has the Ford for sale ... exceptionally clean, meticulously maintained, > and white as salt (although it has never been on the salt at Bonneville) ... > he uses his $100 Honda trail bike for that. You could have seen it at the > end of the access road. > > Wes > > on 3/9/01 9:03 PM, Keith Turk at kturk@ala.net wrote: > > > .... I test drove them all..... and none compared to the Ford.... > > > > Will Handzel and I had an interesting discussion on Chevrolet's new > > Diesel.... and if it's as good as it looks it might be the REAL deal later > > on.... But I am going to have a Freind somewhere that has 250,000 miles on > > one before I even consider it... The Ram was my first choice until I > > compared it.... once I drove the Ford I was Hooked on the Power.... after > > 110,000 miles I think I can honestly say it was a good choice.... > > > > Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 10:04 PM > > Subject: Cummins powered Dodge Ram > > > > > >> Greetings, Just wondering how many of you drive a Cummins Diesel powered > >> Dodge Ram ? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 11:12:43 2001 From: "Richard Fox" To: "Wester S Potter" , "Keith Turk" , Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:08:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Cummins powered Dodge Ram I bought a Cummins/Dodge new in '92. So far nothing has failed. matinance has been oil and filters, one valve adjustment, brakes and tires. Mileage has been around 23 empty and 20 towing the roadster and trailer. No rust yet. I love it. Rich Fox /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 14:22:32 2001 From: "\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth" To: "Landspeed" Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:27:25 -0800 Subject: Teresa Brissette Memorial To the friends of Bob Brissette: Teresa Brissette Memorial Friday, March 16th at 7:00PM. Services will be at LaHabra Christian Church 1400 Bella Vista Dr., LaHabra, Heights, CA. (562-691-0514). Main crossroads are: Whittier Blvd, and Fullerton Road/Harbor Boulevard, if you are turning from Whittier Blvd on to Fullerton Road you will be going left. If you go right you will be on Harbor Blvd. The church is the first one as you go up the hill on the right side. There is a lighted sign for the church. For more information on the La Habra Services please call Cleta Harder at (714)529-4418. If anyone prefer's to do donations instead of flowers, please consider Teresa's favorite charity: "Help for Brain Injured Children, INC." 981 N. Euclid Avenue, LaHabra, California, 90631. She was very instrumental in helping to start this charity. Speedy Regards, "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth LandSpeed Productions Telling stories with words and pictures ------------------------o0o-------------------------- /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 15:55:32 2001 From: Joe Timney To: Cris Shearer Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:35:01 +0000 Subject: Re: New Home owner List, It's easy to see why Ed married Cris...Walks in junk years, garage- most important room.( Smile) joe Cris Shearer wrote: > Congradulations!! A new home doesn't mean free time to build cars. It > just means you need to manage your time even better than before. Tell > us about the garage part of the house - most important room (or > building) !! Cris in Salt Lake /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 16:30:46 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Joe Timney" , "Cris Shearer" Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:29:17 -0800 Subject: Re: New Home owner Joe & list Every home should be built on the top of a garage of equal size. All or most women want large homes, fair is fair. That way I would have at least 2400 sq.ft. I only have 560 now. I think I need to on on this. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Timney" To: "Cris Shearer" Cc: "Jerry Dickinson" ; Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: New Home owner > List, > > It's easy to see why Ed married Cris...Walks in junk years, garage- most > important room.( Smile) > > joe > Cris Shearer wrote: > > > Congradulations!! A new home doesn't mean free time to build cars. It > > just means you need to manage your time even better than before. Tell > > us about the garage part of the house - most important room (or > > building) !! Cris in Salt Lake /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 18:55:04 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: glen barrett , Joe Timney Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:52:16 -0800 Subject: Re: New Home owner But our local building code only allows 700 sq. feet and I'm at 696 on the garage we built three years ago ... about 1/3 of the house size. We ended up a couple of inches under the 17' height limit. It is heated, has a loft 10X27 with a pull down ladder and the sound system isn't bad. We considered building a lower building after reading about basements for garages (no cubic foot limit). Decided against it when we did a driveway and sidewalk replacement. Wes on 3/10/01 3:29 PM, glen barrett at speedtimer@charter.net wrote: > Joe & list > Every home should be built on the top of a garage of equal size. All or most > women want large homes, fair is fair. > That way I would have at least 2400 sq.ft. I only have 560 now. I think I > need to on on this. > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Timney" > To: "Cris Shearer" > Cc: "Jerry Dickinson" ; > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: New Home owner > > >> List, >> >> It's easy to see why Ed married Cris...Walks in junk years, garage- most >> important room.( Smile) >> >> joe >> Cris Shearer wrote: >> >>> Congradulations!! A new home doesn't mean free time to build cars. It >>> just means you need to manage your time even better than before. Tell >>> us about the garage part of the house - most important room (or >>> building) !! Cris in Salt Lake /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 10 21:02:25 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "Wester S Potter" , , Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:04:01 -0700 Subject: Re: New Home owner Wes, Actually the house has evaporative and refrigeration and the shop only has evaporative. In the hot months it's hell to have to decide between a cool house and a new piece for the car. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wester S Potter" To: "Nafzger" ; ; ; Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: Re: New Home owner > Yeah, but Howard, which one is air conditioned? That would be the > identifier in the hot country where you live. > > Wes > > on 3/9/01 10:13 AM, Nafzger at nafzger@vtc.net wrote: > > > Bob, > > I'm still in trouble on my deal after eight years, the shop is 2400 > > sq.ft.and the house is only 1680 sq.ft. > > Howard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: ; > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 7:51 AM > > Subject: Re: New Home owner > > > > > >> In a message dated 3/9/01 9:18:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >> og_1leg@hotmail.com writes: > >> > >> << HI list. > >> > >> Escrow just closed on my first home. Time to start building the race car. > >>>> > >> ................Congratulations on your frist house! How big is the > > garage? > >> Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 11 10:10:10 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:07:16 -0600 Subject: Time to get READY... Well if we are ready or not the Race season is upon us... Just out on a Pretty day playing around... cleaning up the floor boards and touching up paint.... Did find some new Stainless Steel Fastners at Lowe's for the rear spoiler.... Actually kinda a cool deal.... got a couple of Large bags of them as I am going to swap out many of the Standard Steel fasteners.... they just don't hold up.... painted or not.... Lesson learned... Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 11 11:00:23 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Nafzger , Keith Turk , , Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:25:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Cummins powered Dodge Ram No. The Ford is the biggest V-8 they offered in a gas engine that year (93?) . He found that driving to Southern California on I-15 at 65 mph gave him about 5 mpg better gas mileage than driving at the posted 75. He cruised in the outside lane and just enjoyed the drive. The new truck gets better mileage at 75 and has noticeably more torque. Wes on 3/10/01 7:56 PM, Nafzger at nafzger@vtc.net wrote: > Wes, > Was the Ford a V-10 or Powerstroke diesel? > Howard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wester S Potter" > To: "Keith Turk" ; ; > > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: Cummins powered Dodge Ram > > >> USFRA Treasurer Hugh Coltharp just got back from his "maiden voyage" to a >> swap meet in Southern California in his new GMC truck with the largest new >> big block the General makes. It's gas powered but he reports no drop off > of >> power or need to down-shift where his relatively new Ford truck really >> started to labor. The truck is a two wheel drive, 3/4 ton with the full >> length bed and a small topper. He got better gas mileage than the Ford > and >> was very happy with the torque it produced. Got a good deal through my >> brother-in-law on the purchase. Clean cash deal, no trade in, about a 10% >> savings and he was able to spec out the order the way he wanted it. >> >> He has the Ford for sale ... exceptionally clean, meticulously maintained, >> and white as salt (although it has never been on the salt at Bonneville) > ... >> he uses his $100 Honda trail bike for that. You could have seen it at the >> end of the access road. >> >> Wes >> >> on 3/9/01 9:03 PM, Keith Turk at kturk@ala.net wrote: >> >>> .... I test drove them all..... and none compared to the Ford.... >>> >>> Will Handzel and I had an interesting discussion on Chevrolet's new >>> Diesel.... and if it's as good as it looks it might be the REAL deal > later >>> on.... But I am going to have a Freind somewhere that has 250,000 miles > on >>> one before I even consider it... The Ram was my first choice until I >>> compared it.... once I drove the Ford I was Hooked on the Power.... > after >>> 110,000 miles I think I can honestly say it was a good choice.... >>> >>> Keith >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 10:04 PM >>> Subject: Cummins powered Dodge Ram >>> >>> >>>> Greetings, Just wondering how many of you drive a Cummins Diesel > powered >>>> Dodge Ram ? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 11 11:57:06 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Phillip Landry" , Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:53:57 -0600 Subject: Re Stainless I knew that they weren't as stong... and these I planned on Non Stuctural area's..... Now if they RUST..... nevermind... I think I figured out why I have such a Rust problem down here.... I was checking out under the car the other day getting ready to slide the Six Speed Mount back.... and the whole dang thing had drops of moisture here and there.... figured out that the Humidity here attaches to whatever Salt is avalible.... and it acts like a Disicant.... well then it drys up and reforms later..... Hmmmm this cylce makes it tough to keep the car Rust free.... I know for a fact I can't get all the salt off..... so I am going to be MUCH more careful about How I build the new car.... Salt will still be there but have a Much tougher time staying there..... Fewer cracks and crevices then a Production type car..... Keith If they are 17-8 they will rust also so don't kill yourself...And worse depending on what you use them for they are probably no as strong either. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Landry" To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Time to get READY... > Keith, > I kinda heard somewhere that the grade rating on stainless steel bolts is > grade two. I don't know that I would use them for anything critical. Maybe > others can enlighten us. Phil > > > >From: "Keith Turk" > >Reply-To: "Keith Turk" > >To: > >Subject: Time to get READY... > >Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:07:16 -0600 > > > >Well if we are ready or not the Race season is upon us... > > > >Just out on a Pretty day playing around... cleaning up the floor boards and > >touching up paint.... Did find some new Stainless Steel Fastners at Lowe's > >for the rear spoiler.... Actually kinda a cool deal.... got a couple of > >Large bags of them as I am going to swap out many of the Standard Steel > >fasteners.... they just don't hold up.... painted or not.... Lesson > >learned... > > > >Keith > > > >/// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 11 12:28:21 2001 From: Henry Deaton To: List Land Speed Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:28:01 -0800 Subject: Motorcycle Helmet Aerodynamics? Anybody have any motorcycle helmet advice for El Mirage & Bonneville? I need to get a new one and was thinking a helmet that's smooth around the back of the head would be best for aerodynamics. It seems like lots of the better helmets have all kinds of vents, which would be great on the street. But, it seems like the runs are so short at a speed trial that I'd be better off with a helmet that was totally smooth on the outside. What do you'all think? Should I go for some ventilation or a smooth exterior? Henry Deaton SF, CA /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 11 13:54:19 2001 From: "Dale Krumheuer" To: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:19:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Helmet Aerodynamics? Hello Henry, regarding vents on helmets, I use a Shoei, it has a vent at the chin area and a vent above the visor. Looking at my helmet, I don't believe the chin vent will hit any wind at speed, my chin is nearly on the tank. The visor vent is streamlined pretty well. If anything, the visor vent may introduce enough turbulence to trip the air going over the top, helping to fill the turbulent area behind the helmet. Keith? your area... Here's what does make a difference on vented vs non vented helmets; fogging. Vented helmets seem to have more control over the fogging of the lens, with or without the fog-x type treatments. and when you have a minute whutta ya riding Henry? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 11 14:00:57 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:00:39 EST Subject: Re: Re Stainless In a message dated 3/11/01 12:58:00 PM Central Standard Time, kturk@ala.net writes: << I kinda heard somewhere that the grade rating on stainless steel bolts is > grade two. I don't know that I would use them for anything critical. Maybe > others can enlighten us. Phil > >> Phil you can get different grades of stainless bolts. The ones we use at work are grade 5. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 11 15:11:18 2001 From: Henry Deaton To: List Land Speed Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:10:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Helmet Aerodynamics? Hey Dale, I'm going to be "chin-down" at speed too, which is why I'm more concerned about vents on the back. I was looking at a Shoei RF-900 which has lots of vents all over, plus a little spoiler sticking out the back that I'd probably cut off. On the other hand, it looks like the cheaper Snell-rated helmets have less in the way of vents and might work better for a speed trial. Not having run at El Mirage or the Bonneville Salt Flats before, I was also wondering if there is any advantage having some ventilation. I know it gets really hot but I'll only be wearing the thing for a few minutes at most, right? My bike still a work in progress while I'm bringing my welding skills up to par, but will eventually be an electric motorcycle built to conform to the APS-class requirements. I guess it'd be in what's listed as the APS-Omega class, but it looks like I'll be running against the E/1 record. Other details: Optima yellow-top batteries, snowmobile CVT transmission, one really beautiful forklift series-wound DC motor, an electronic controller (yet to be determined), some contactors, lots of thick copper wire, FZR-1000 wheels and brakes, with a bunch of steel tubing holding it all together. Eventually I'll have some kind of streamlining, too. Henry Deaton SF, CA At 04:19 PM 3/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Henry, regarding vents on helmets, I use a Shoei, it has a vent at the >chin area and a vent above the visor. Looking at my helmet, I don't believe >the chin vent will hit any wind at speed, my chin is nearly on the tank. The >visor vent is streamlined pretty well. If anything, the visor vent may >introduce enough turbulence to trip the air going over the top, helping to >fill the turbulent area behind the helmet. Keith? your area... >Here's what does make a difference on vented vs non vented helmets; >fogging. Vented helmets seem to have more control over the fogging of the >lens, with or without the fog-x type treatments. > >and when you have a minute whutta ya riding Henry? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 11 15:47:24 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "Wester S Potter" , "Keith Turk" , Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:49:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Cummins powered Dodge Ram Wes, I was just wondering. It doesn't surprise me that a 2001 model with an 8.1 liter engine will outpull a 1993 model with a 7.4 engine. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wester S Potter" To: "Nafzger" ; "Keith Turk" ; ; Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Cummins powered Dodge Ram > No. The Ford is the biggest V-8 they offered in a gas engine that year > (93?) . He found that driving to Southern California on I-15 at 65 mph gave > him about 5 mpg better gas mileage than driving at the posted 75. He > cruised in the outside lane and just enjoyed the drive. The new truck gets > better mileage at 75 and has noticeably more torque. > > Wes > > on 3/10/01 7:56 PM, Nafzger at nafzger@vtc.net wrote: > > > Wes, > > Was the Ford a V-10 or Powerstroke diesel? > > Howard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wester S Potter" > > To: "Keith Turk" ; ; > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 9:50 AM > > Subject: Re: Cummins powered Dodge Ram > > > > > >> USFRA Treasurer Hugh Coltharp just got back from his "maiden voyage" to a > >> swap meet in Southern California in his new GMC truck with the largest new > >> big block the General makes. It's gas powered but he reports no drop off > > of > >> power or need to down-shift where his relatively new Ford truck really > >> started to labor. The truck is a two wheel drive, 3/4 ton with the full > >> length bed and a small topper. He got better gas mileage than the Ford > > and > >> was very happy with the torque it produced. Got a good deal through my > >> brother-in-law on the purchase. Clean cash deal, no trade in, about a 10% > >> savings and he was able to spec out the order the way he wanted it. > >> > >> He has the Ford for sale ... exceptionally clean, meticulously maintained, > >> and white as salt (although it has never been on the salt at Bonneville) > > ... > >> he uses his $100 Honda trail bike for that. You could have seen it at the > >> end of the access road. > >> > >> Wes /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 11 18:05:49 2001 From: Joe Timney To: Nafzger Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:48:03 +0000 Subject: Re: New Home owner List, I air-conditioned my shop two years before I did the house. The excuse I used was that you can't heliarc if you are sweating. I couldn't get anything done with the family "visiting all the time"so I installed central air and a new heater in the house. Glenn, My house is 1500 sq. ft., the shop currently is 2100 with plans for another 2400 coming soon(smile). joe Nafzger wrote: > Wes, > Actually the house has evaporative and refrigeration and the shop only has > evaporative. In the hot months it's hell to have to decide between a cool > house and a new piece for the car. > Howard /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 11 20:22:18 2001 From: Ed Van Scoy To: Keith Turk Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:22:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Re Stainless Keith, My Vette has been on the salt for 9 years and the fiberglass shows NO sign of rust! Ed ('course all the metal fell off years ago............) Keith Turk wrote: > I knew that they weren't as stong... and these I planned on Non Stuctural > area's..... Now if they RUST..... nevermind... > > I think I figured out why I have such a Rust problem down here.... I was > checking out under the car the other day getting ready to slide the Six > Speed Mount back.... and the whole dang thing had drops of moisture here and > there.... figured out that the Humidity here attaches to whatever Salt is > avalible.... and it acts like a Disicant.... well then it drys up and > reforms later..... Hmmmm this cylce makes it tough to keep the car Rust > free.... I know for a fact I can't get all the salt off..... so I am going > to be MUCH more careful about How I build the new car.... Salt will still be > there but have a Much tougher time staying there..... Fewer cracks and > crevices then a Production type car..... > > Keith > > If they are 17-8 they will rust also so don't kill > yourself...And worse depending on what you use them for they > are probably no as strong either. > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phillip Landry" > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: Time to get READY... > > > Keith, > > I kinda heard somewhere that the grade rating on stainless steel bolts is > > grade two. I don't know that I would use them for anything critical. Maybe > > others can enlighten us. Phil > > > > > > >From: "Keith Turk" > > >Reply-To: "Keith Turk" > > >To: > > >Subject: Time to get READY... > > >Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:07:16 -0600 > > > > > >Well if we are ready or not the Race season is upon us... > > > > > >Just out on a Pretty day playing around... cleaning up the floor boards > and > > >touching up paint.... Did find some new Stainless Steel Fastners at > Lowe's > > >for the rear spoiler.... Actually kinda a cool deal.... got a couple of > > >Large bags of them as I am going to swap out many of the Standard Steel > > >fasteners.... they just don't hold up.... painted or not.... Lesson > > >learned... /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 05:52:29 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:49:12 -0600 Subject: Fw: Yanks Down Under News from Down Under..... VERY COOL..... K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Phillips" To: "Keith Turk" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 1:26 AM Subject: Re: Yanks Down Under > Hi Keith, > Doug may have already emailed you but this is my first chance. We are back > and we were very successful. I went 205.5 MPH after two runs of 174 and > 194. Had a 25 mph headwind which slowed me down on my record run but they > wouldn't let me run again due to the wind so I didn't get to "backup" my run > within one hour. Here in Oz they don't require a backup run, it is like El > Mirage. They changed engines during the time the course was shut down due > to the wind, so that time wasn't wasted. > > Thursday morning Doug did a test run with his C engine and something went > 'kaflewy' with the steering so he turned out without a speed. Lucky because > something broke or wasn't properly tightened. The aussie's helped weld > something and then Doug went out and did 220 MPH! setting a new record here > and going the fastest he has ever gone. (The Bonneville record is 224 so he > didn't break that). Since we were all safe, the car was not broken and it > was Thursday afternoon they decided that they would leave it at that so we > started to pack up and call it a week. We left Friday late morning and > drove back to Port Augusta to clean the motorhome, our clothes and > ourselves. Doug cooked american hamburgers for the aussies who also met > there later that night. Then we all headed for our respective homes > Saturday morning. No one was injured during the entire event and only a few > spin outs so overall a great event. > > Today is Monday the 12th and the guys are at the trucking co. cleaning the > car and gear and then repacking the container for customs inspection > tomorrow. We are all heading home on Saturday the 17th so now we can really > start our vacation. Doug and I took lots of pics and Doug tried to get some > info on some of the cars, so I can scan the pics and send them to Jon for > his website. But that will take awhile. Best wishes to you. > Gail and Al > > ------Original Message------ > From: "Keith Turk" > To: Gail Phillips > Sent: March 3, 2001 11:16:17 PM GMT > Subject: Re: Yanks Down Under > > > It's Saturday and I am sitting here feeling sorry for my self... it's > Raining.... and you folks are out RACING.... oh well... Life is Grand.... > > Can't wait to hear the news..... K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Phillips" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:29 PM > Subject: Yanks Down Under > > > > Hi Keith, > > It is Friday am and were are getting ready to load the motorhome and head > > out in a few hours. The car is loaded and leaves tonight. Had to use > some > > 'Inky Dye' engineering to finish preppng the car. I'll email you as much > > results as possible when we get back to Adelaide, so you can forward them > to > > Jon. It may be March 11/12th. > > > > We're having a blast with these Aussies who will do anything for you with > > out any question. Great stories, great slang which we are still trying to > > figure out and then remember, and great weather!! Only in the 70's here > and > > hopefully not much more when we get to the outback. Anything under 100 > will > > be a piece of cake. > > > > >From the Blunder Down Under Gang! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 07:14:08 2001 From: john robinson To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:13:45 -0600 Subject: Re: New Home owner Howdy, I built the White Heat car in a 190 ft garage, everything in its' place and I knew where everything was, moved into 800 sqft and I can't find anything, its been 8 years since the move, and I've accumulated MUCH more stuff, cause I got all this extra room!!!!.....and of course this one is wood heated and air conditioned.....and is easier to hold poker games in it in the winter, so now I'm building/restoring a BSA in the living room.........the other problem is that over the years I have accumulated so much stuff, so I think I still have it, so I spend hours looking for stuff that is no longer, or was used on something else, and is gone, or is just lost in the noise between the ears........pick up a hammer, then look for ten minutes for the hammer that is in my hand......I dunno , I just dunno Zuckermans Famous Pig, in 30 degree rainy damp grey dirty snow Madison wi At 05:29 PM 3/10/01, you wrote: Joe & list Every home should be built on the top of a garage of equal size. All or most women want large homes, fair is fair. That way I would have at least 2400 sq.ft. I only have 560 now. I think I need to on on this. Glen John Robinson, Mechanician Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin 1513 University Ave. Madison, Wi. 53706 608-262-3606 FAX 608-265-2316 Current World Land Speed Record Holder Bonneville Salt Flats H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt 131.333 MPH set 1995 136.666 MPH set 1996 140.292 MPH set 2000 144.396 MPH set 2000 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 07:51:50 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Thomas E. Bryant'" , Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:50:56 -0700 Subject: RE: Dry Cleaning fire suits? Tom, They damaged a FIRE SUIT with too much heat drying it???? I think I'd find a new laundry!!! Dale C. Chuck, Dry cleaning works fine if they know what they are doing. I had the misfortune of having a suit damaged from excessive heat in the process. Deist was able to repair it, but to avoid the problem be sure to remind them to be careful with the heat in the drying process. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 07:57:19 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: "Clay, Dale" Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:56:53 -0800 Subject: Re: Dry Cleaning fire suits? I DID!!! They also paid for the repair. Tom "Clay, Dale" wrote: > > Tom, > > They damaged a FIRE SUIT with too much heat drying it???? I think I'd find > a new laundry!!! > > Dale C. > > Chuck, > > Dry cleaning works fine if they know what they are doing. I had the > misfortune of having a suit damaged from excessive heat in the process. > Deist was able to repair it, but to avoid the problem be sure to remind > them to be careful with the heat in the drying process. > > Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient or employees of > MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 08:19:19 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , RACE427@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:19:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Cummins powered Dodge Ram Here in East Texas where one-ton, diesel Duallies are a way of life, I'd say that Keith's findings are validated - - Ford is the way out front runner. Dick J Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 08:25:39 2001 From: Dick J To: The Butters Family , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:25:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: HVLP spray guns Everybody, please be sure to make all comments on the list - -don't back door it. I'm looking at the same change and would like to know. Dick J --- The Butters Family wrote: > I've been thinking about going to a HVLP > spray gun for painting cars, > The variety and features have me boggled. What > does a person need to spray > acrylic enamels?What is a good gun? Do you > guys like using them? Thanks > Kvach ===== Dick J In East Texas Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 11:20:19 2001 From: "Jon Wennerberg" To: "Alan Jackson \(E-mail\)" , Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:21:06 -0500 Subject: Kovar-Hall.htm Check it out!! Jon /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 12:14:26 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:17:57 -0600 Subject: Roll Cage junk... Okay I am tired of Playing solitaire and it's a RAINY day here at the shop.... So for lack of anything else going on .... Guess I'll fill you in on the weekend's activities.... Brad and I had been checking out the Roll cage in the Camaro for sometime... trying to find a place to stick in an extra Bar just to give it some lateral support in the event of a roll over... We finally did find a reasonable place that didn't interfere with access to the back.... and installed a Brace from just above and behind the Drivers Helmet to the Lower right side rocker panel bar.... then of course after we had it in place I had to go back and repaint all the stuff we messed up installing it... Rather then using spray Paint like I normally do... I sprayed it in a Mason jar and used a Foam brush to paint the thing.... worked out real well.... car looks a bunch safer and is all cleaned up afterwards... OKAY GUYS THAT'S MY story.... what are you folks up to? Keith Turk Austin Healey 100, Bugeye, Box sprites, Bonneville Camaro ( Land Speed Racer) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 12:34:02 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:33:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Weekend Project I got the car back Friday with a straight frame and a new low stance that makes it look a lot more like a race car than it did. Whole lottsa tire way up inside those fenders! It got a lot of close looks from a couple of young 'Stang drivers who would pull up along side at each red light and stare at it. You know, it looks kinda shabby, but it's got those serious tires on it, and my daughter's hand lettering on the rear flanks which announces: "National Record Holder". I know those young Ford guys were very confused. The Dick J in East Texas garage sounded like a NASCAR pit stop all day Saturday. Air ratchet in one hand, box for parts in the other. I did that part of mechanicing that I'm really so good at - - the taking apart stuff. I stripped everything down ready to install my new cam and parts. I stopped by my local machine shop at lunch time today, and he's going to clean up my intake ports for me. The intake ports on Chev 882 heads are a little lop-sided - they are slightly narrower at the top than at the bottom. He is going to match them to the Felpro gaskets for me. He's also going to install my screw-in rocker studs, and Crane springs for me. He made me such a good offer that it wouldn't be worth it for me to try any of the stuff myself. I couldn't even buy the rotary files for the price he quoted. He likes my car a lot because it's the only race car in these parts that ain't made to run only 1/4 mile at a time, or go in left hand circles after dark! Next Saturday, I should just have to bolt everything back together - - and y'all know how that goes. I just can't wait to see what snag I will hit! And besides, I put things back together a whole bunch slower than I take them all apart. ha ha ===== Dick J In East Texas Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 15:19:32 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:18:32 EST Subject: Re: Roll Cage junk... Hi Keith and All, Last nite I watched the two Bonneville tapes that are being mailed around. Real neat to see all the guys and gals that are on the list! I never knew how long it took to get out of one of those cars, blowing a tire at 250+ is no big deal, and powered unicycles can do 50MPH. Maxton is closer, but I've got to get to Bonneville! Bob in Connecticut. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 15:47:04 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:46:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: What's New Hi Folks, Keith said what's going on, here's what's going on in the Great Dismal Swamp. Being told that with a flat, dead-soft one piece copper Ardun gasket, 60 ft. lbs of torque is necessary on 7/16 molygreased fine threads to achieve the necessary head joint integrity, I tested my homemade 4130 studs to destruction today. No not all of them, just the four specials I had to make, which have reduced 5/16 extensions on 'em up to help hold the rocker covers on. All the others are ARPs which are well up to the job. So after hearing that well-known "pop", removing the carefully-assembled head, and extracting the broken stub by devious means, I called ARP to see what could be done. There was good news and bad news. The good news was they actually make a 7/16 stud 7-3/8" long which is the working length I need, but the other news is I'll have to find my own means of putting the 5/16 extension on it. Like the fella said, "We could make a special for you, but it would be $1K apiece, and I don't think you want to go that way." How right he was. He did go on to say that sometime back, a couple years ago, somebody, he couldn't remember who, had ARP make 20 sets of Ardun studs, and they did make these oddballs with the reduced tops on 'em. The batch order was big enough to get a fairly reasonable price on them. Bet they still cost an arm and a leg. Maybe it was Don Orosco, with his repro Ardun project, or maybe his successor Don Ferguson who took over the repros. So anyway I ordered the four longies I needed, and I'll leave it to your imagination how I will stick the extension on there. The ARP guy said the heat treatment of his stud starts to go away at 900 degrees, so that limits your options. Since brazing is 1300 or more, and welding even more. Anybody know where I could get 4 U.S. made, certified bonafide 7/16 NC Grade 8 bolts 10 inches long? We could turn one end down to 5/16 and put a couple of threads on it. The ARP studs are claimed to be way better than Grade 8, and I believe it. They are also straight, which not every Grade 8 bolt is. Cheers from Ardun Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 16:07:26 2001 From: DaCudaKid@aol.com To: wspotter@jps.net, speedtimer@charter.net, joetimney@dol.net, Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:06:52 EST Subject: Re: New Home owner Hey Wes, What are the size restrictions on a barn in your area? I just saw a picture of a barn being built in Colorado, just west of Denver, and it's a timber frame too. I think its one every one of us could use. And just how big is it you say? How does over 13,000 square feet sound? Hey Keith, would this be big enough for you? Wes Potter wrote: Mike in L.A. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 16:50:01 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "john robinson" , Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:51:47 -0700 Subject: Re: New Home owner John, Isn't that called the "Parkinson Principle"? Something about accumulating enough junk to fill the available space however large or small. It has worked flawlessly for me. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robinson" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 7:13 AM Subject: Re: New Home owner > Howdy, > I built the White Heat car in a 190 ft garage, everything in its' place > and I knew where everything was, moved into 800 sqft and I can't find > anything, its been 8 years since the move, and I've accumulated MUCH more > stuff, cause I got all this extra room!!!!.....and of course this one is > wood heated and air conditioned.....and is easier to hold poker games in it > in the winter, so now I'm building/restoring a BSA in the living > room.........the other problem is that over the years I have accumulated so > much stuff, so I think I still have it, so I spend hours looking for stuff > that is no longer, or was used on something else, and is gone, or is just > lost in the noise between the ears........pick up a hammer, then look for > ten minutes for the hammer that is in my hand......I dunno , I just dunno > > Zuckermans Famous Pig, in 30 degree rainy damp grey dirty snow Madison wi > > At 05:29 PM 3/10/01, you wrote: > Joe & list > Every home should be built on the top of a garage of equal size. All or most > women want large homes, fair is fair. > That way I would have at least 2400 sq.ft. I only have 560 now. I think I > need to on on this. > Glen > > John Robinson, Mechanician > Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin > 1513 University Ave. > Madison, Wi. 53706 > 608-262-3606 > FAX 608-265-2316 > Current World Land Speed Record Holder > Bonneville Salt Flats > H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt > 131.333 MPH set 1995 > 136.666 MPH set 1996 > 140.292 MPH set 2000 > 144.396 MPH set 2000 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 16:59:08 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "Dick J" , Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:00:40 -0700 Subject: Re: HVLP spray guns Dick, I have three large spray guns and two touchup guns and I prefer to use my old Devilbis JGA conventional gun for finish coats. I use the HVLP for primers and sealers. Probably the technical reason is I'm getting old and can't see well enough to not get runs with the HVLP. I'm sure a professional painter would have no problems with either one, I just find it easier to get runs with the HVLP. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick J" To: "The Butters Family" ; Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:25 AM Subject: Re: HVLP spray guns > Everybody, please be sure to make all comments on > the list - -don't back door it. I'm looking at > the same change and would like to know. > > Dick J > --- The Butters Family > wrote: > > I've been thinking about going to a HVLP > > spray gun for painting cars, > > The variety and features have me boggled. What > > does a person need to spray > > acrylic enamels?What is a good gun? Do you > > guys like using them? Thanks > > Kvach > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 18:07:44 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: Joe Timney Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:13:17 -0700 Subject: Re: New Home owner Actually we have two garages. I claim one and gave Ed the other. I clean them when he isn't around. Just open the doors and turn on the leaf blower. Clean as a whistle. I wish I could dust the house this way!! Ha! Don't tell Ed my secrets. cris in salt lake. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 18:33:19 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: , Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:35:02 -0700 Subject: Re: What's New Bill, I had to make some special length studs for a Jaguar XK 150 engine in a car I was restoring about ten years ago and I found that a place in Tucson called Copper State Nut & Bolt had threaded grade 8 rod. I used that and as far as I know it has not been a problem. The Owner drives the car occasionally and I have done two more cars for him and he has not said a word. Maybe that would work. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: What's New > Hi Folks, Keith said what's going on, here's what's going on in the > Great Dismal Swamp. > > Being told that with a flat, dead-soft one piece copper Ardun gasket, 60 > ft. lbs of torque is necessary on 7/16 molygreased fine threads to > achieve the necessary head joint integrity, I tested my homemade 4130 > studs to destruction today. No not all of them, just the four specials > I had to make, which have reduced 5/16 extensions on 'em up to help hold > the rocker covers on. All the others are ARPs which are well up to the > job. > > So after hearing that well-known "pop", removing the carefully-assembled > head, and extracting the broken stub by devious means, I called ARP to > see what could be done. There was good news and bad news. The good > news was they actually make a 7/16 stud 7-3/8" long which is the working > length I need, but the other news is I'll have to find my own means of > putting the 5/16 extension on it. Like the fella said, "We could make a > special for you, but it would be $1K apiece, and I don't think you want > to go that way." How right he was. He did go on to say that sometime > back, a couple years ago, somebody, he couldn't remember who, had ARP > make 20 sets of Ardun studs, and they did make these oddballs with the > reduced tops on 'em. The batch order was big enough to get a fairly > reasonable price on them. Bet they still cost an arm and a leg. Maybe > it was Don Orosco, with his repro Ardun project, or maybe his successor > Don Ferguson who took over the repros. > > So anyway I ordered the four longies I needed, and I'll leave it to your > imagination how I will stick the extension on there. The ARP guy said > the heat treatment of his stud starts to go away at 900 degrees, so that > limits your options. Since brazing is 1300 or more, and welding even > more. > > Anybody know where I could get 4 U.S. made, certified bonafide 7/16 NC > Grade 8 bolts 10 inches long? We could turn one end down to 5/16 and > put a couple of threads on it. The ARP studs are claimed to be way > better than Grade 8, and I believe it. They are also straight, which > not every Grade 8 bolt is. > > Cheers from Ardun Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 18:56:56 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:53:15 -0600 Subject: Re: Weekend Yeah Jerry is a Nice guy.... ( don't tell him I said that ) I set him and Ed Van Scoy up last year at speedweek.... I am looking forward to hearing about his car.... since he ain't forthcoming with info.... why don't you tell us a bit about it... K ----- Original Message ----- From: "William T Smith" To: "Keith Turk" Cc: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Weekend > KT > Thanks to the list I met a fellow LSR JERRY FOSTER with > a car well underway lives here in Dallas. He was > pumpedt for he had just recieved his DART's that you > and John told him about > > Quoting Keith Turk : > > > Okay I am tired of Playing solitaire and it's a RAINY > day here at the > > shop.... So for lack of anything else going on .... > Guess I'll fill you in > > on the weekend's activities.... > > > > Brad and I had been checking out the Roll cage in the > Camaro for > > sometime... trying to find a place to stick in an > extra Bar just to give it > > some lateral support in the event of a roll over... > We finally did find a > > reasonable place that didn't interfere with access to > the back.... and > > installed a Brace from just above and behind the > Drivers Helmet to the > > Lower right side rocker panel bar.... then of course > after we had it in > > place I had to go back and repaint all the stuff we > messed up installing > > it... > > > > Rather then using spray Paint like I normally do... I > sprayed it in a Mason > > jar and used a Foam brush to paint the thing.... > worked out real well.... > > car looks a bunch safer and is all cleaned up > afterwards... > > > > OKAY GUYS THAT'S MY story.... what are you folks up > to? > > > > Keith Turk > > Austin Healey 100, Bugeye, Box sprites, Bonneville > Camaro ( Land Speed > > Racer) > > > > /// > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 19:04:34 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Cris Shearer" Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:01:15 -0600 Subject: Re: New Home owner I am kinda in your boat Cris.... with Two Garages.... One Large ONE car garage ( just why the hell you build a big house with a one car garage is still up for grabs...) and the Shop out back.... I have tried the air blower with good results... I am also real fond of the Air nozzle with the compressor..... Just gets EVERYTHING dusty.... Hmmm maybe I could get you to come clean mine out? then you will be Dusty and I won't.... K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cris Shearer" To: "Joe Timney" Cc: "Jerry Dickinson" ; Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: New Home owner > Actually we have two garages. I claim one and gave Ed the other. I > clean them when he isn't around. Just open the doors and turn on the > leaf blower. Clean as a whistle. I wish I could dust the house this > way!! Ha! Don't tell Ed my secrets. cris in salt lake. > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 19:06:36 2001 From: William T Smith To: Keith Turk Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:06:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Weekend-roadster KT what can I say its a neat looking roadster frame with Cage and a Winters QC in the back and the nose sitting on the ground. Other than that I think I better let him tell it. WmTS Quoting Keith Turk : > Yeah Jerry is a Nice guy.... ( don't tell him I said that ) I set him and > Ed > Van Scoy up last year at speedweek.... > > I am looking forward to hearing about his car.... since he ain't > forthcoming > with info.... why don't you tell us a bit about it... > > K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William T Smith" > To: "Keith Turk" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 7:52 PM > Subject: Re: Weekend > > > > KT > > Thanks to the list I met a fellow LSR JERRY FOSTER with > > a car well underway lives here in Dallas. He was > > pumpedt for he had just recieved his DART's that you > > and John told him about > > > > Quoting Keith Turk : > > > > > Okay I am tired of Playing solitaire and it's a RAINY > > day here at the > > > shop.... So for lack of anything else going on .... > > Guess I'll fill you in > > > on the weekend's activities.... > > > > > > Brad and I had been checking out the Roll cage in the > > Camaro for > > > sometime... trying to find a place to stick in an > > extra Bar just to give it > > > some lateral support in the event of a roll over... > > We finally did find a > > > reasonable place that didn't interfere with access to > > the back.... and > > > installed a Brace from just above and behind the > > Drivers Helmet to the > > > Lower right side rocker panel bar.... then of course > > after we had it in > > > place I had to go back and repaint all the stuff we > > messed up installing > > > it... > > > > > > Rather then using spray Paint like I normally do... I > > sprayed it in a Mason > > > jar and used a Foam brush to paint the thing.... > > worked out real well.... > > > car looks a bunch safer and is all cleaned up > > afterwards... > > > > > > OKAY GUYS THAT'S MY story.... what are you folks up > > to? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 19:27:26 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: Nafzger Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:32:44 -0700 Subject: Re: HVLP spray guns Lets see if I can made a few comments. This isn't my field of knowledge but I will try to relay a few remarks by my better half. Ed has sprayed with many guns. Due to EPA laws here in Utah, he is required to use HVLP guns. There are many guns that are reasonably priced that work well. Ed's prefers gravity fed guns as they have a better gloss than siphen fed guns. He feels very strongly with your comment about using Devilbis JGA conventional guns - for the best paint job you'll ever see. It's reasonably priced, and has 3 or 4 different nozzles that fits your needs. Ed has received many trophies with his paint jobs using the Devilbis. (He won't brag about this but I will). Altitude, I understand also makes a difference. When we paint our 39 chev, he will use Dupont Centauri as his choice of paint. He suggests anyone check with their local jobber and ask for a demo. Cris in Salt Lake, (the Master Painter's wife) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 19:43:31 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: Dale Krumheuer Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:49:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Helmet Aerodynamics? Our helmets tend to fog up at times, even with a vent by the chin area. To clear up and prevent fog, Ed drills two holes at the lower ends of the plastic face shield, on either side of my cheeks. This last weekend riding in the cold snowy weather, my shield did not fog up at all. We have always done this and it sure helps even thought the shields are suppose to be anti-fog shields. Cris in Salt Lake /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 20:19:14 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:18:46 EST Subject: bolts In a message dated 3/12/01 4:48:10 PM Central Standard Time, ardunbill@webtv.net writes: << Anybody know where I could get 4 U.S. made, certified bonafide 7/16 NC Grade 8 bolts 10 inches long? We could turn one end down to 5/16 and put a couple of threads on it. The ARP studs are claimed to be way better than Grade 8, and I believe it. They are also straight, which not every Grade 8 bolt is. >> I know this sounds kind of crude but we got a bunch of all thread at work 8 foot long that were grade 8 I didn't know there was such a thing. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 20:31:58 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: Keith Turk Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:37:27 -0700 Subject: Re: New Home owner Have to do this on a good windy day when the wind is blowing out towards the street. I also cut the dogs hair on a windy day. Saves me having to pick up the dog hair. Mother nature does help if the timing is right. Cris in salt lake. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 20:41:17 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Keith Turk" Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:40:20 -0800 Subject: chat KT do you still plan on getting on one hour earlier tomorrow? Glen (Laying in wait) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 20:56:13 2001 From: "The Butters Family" To: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:50:57 -0800 Subject: Ron Halls Avanti A couple of weeks ago we talked about Rons Avanti. This year at Speedweek there will be an Avanti with Rons number on it #1963. This is not Rons car but is running in memory of Ron. The car will be powered by a 299 cu in. Studebaker V8 pumped up with 20# of boost via a Novi Blower and have EFI by Eccel. On the Dyno it made 650hp and 600ft# of Torque.The engine was built by 200mph club member Jim Lang who ran a twin turbo studebaker powered Avanti a few years ago setting a record at 211. These guys just keep coming back. A little Avanti history, many of you are familiar with Bill Burke"s Avanti. It first ran with a Paxton super charged 224 cu in Stude in I think 1964 setting a record. The car has been powered by Chry. Hemis and chev. motors almost continuously since then. Running to nearly 240mph. In 1963 Andy Gannitelli brought out a twin Paxton supercharged 304 cu in Avanti called Dual Centro and ran 198mph with it. Ron Halls goal was to better that effort, and after years of trying did set the D/PS record couple of mph faster. Kvach /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 20:56:13 2001 From: "The Butters Family" To: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:56:41 -0800 Subject: Titanium valves In my forever quest to get the car running for the least amount of money I amwandering about using Winston Cup Titanium valves which are cheap but to long and to big. Does anyone know what it would cost to have them shortened and new keeper grooves cut in them. I guess I could do everything but the keeper grooves. Maybe Rich Fox would do that, or one of you other guys. Thank you Kvach /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 21:09:10 2001 From: "Doug Anderson" To: bbutters@coldreams.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:08:48 -0000 Subject: Re: Ron Halls Avanti -and Bill Burke From: "The Butters Family" Reply-To: "The Butters Family" To: Subject: Ron Halls Avanti "These guys just keep coming back. Alittle Avanti history," "many of you are familiar with Bill Burke"s Avanti. It first ran with a Paxton super charged 224 cu in Stude in I think 1964 setting a record. The car has been powered by Chry. Hemis and chev. motors almost continuously since then. Running to nearly 240mph. " xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -Bill told me that he's also run FE Ford motors in it as well :)-and that the car has never seen the street. Studebaker sold it to him new -for use as a race car COOL! -Dirty Doug stuck in New Yawk.....with Hil---- :( _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 21:56:16 2001 From: "Chris R Harris" To: , Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:49:43 +1300 Subject: Re: Ardun head studs Might sound crude Bill but how about increasing the rocker cover mounting holes to 7/16 like the studs or do you need the step to prevent over tightening. How about a sleeve over the stud to achieve this. Chris H.............NZed. > Hi Folks, Keith said what's going on, here's what's going on in the > Great Dismal Swamp. > > Being told that with a flat, dead-soft one piece copper Ardun gasket, 60 > ft. lbs of torque is necessary on 7/16 molygreased fine threads to > achieve the necessary head joint integrity, I tested my homemade 4130 > studs to destruction today. No not all of them, just the four specials > I had to make, which have reduced 5/16 extensions on 'em up to help hold > the rocker covers on. All the others are ARPs which are well up to the > job. > > So after hearing that well-known "pop", removing the carefully-assembled > head, and extracting the broken stub by devious means, I called ARP to > see what could be done. There was good news and bad news. The good > news was they actually make a 7/16 stud 7-3/8" long which is the working > length I need, but the other news is I'll have to find my own means of > putting the 5/16 extension on it. Like the fella said, "We could make a > special for you, but it would be $1K apiece, and I don't think you want > to go that way." How right he was. He did go on to say that sometime > back, a couple years ago, somebody, he couldn't remember who, had ARP > make 20 sets of Ardun studs, and they did make these oddballs with the > reduced tops on 'em. The batch order was big enough to get a fairly > reasonable price on them. Bet they still cost an arm and a leg. Maybe > it was Don Orosco, with his repro Ardun project, or maybe his successor > Don Ferguson who took over the repros. > > So anyway I ordered the four longies I needed, and I'll leave it to your > imagination how I will stick the extension on there. The ARP guy said > the heat treatment of his stud starts to go away at 900 degrees, so that > limits your options. Since brazing is 1300 or more, and welding even > more. > > Anybody know where I could get 4 U.S. made, certified bonafide 7/16 NC > Grade 8 bolts 10 inches long? We could turn one end down to 5/16 and > put a couple of threads on it. The ARP studs are claimed to be way > better than Grade 8, and I believe it. They are also straight, which > not every Grade 8 bolt is. > > Cheers from Ardun Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 23:08:35 2001 From: webmaster@landracing.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:08:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: New on the album: Salty \'cuda Please visit the album on http://www.landracing.com to see the new addition: Salty \'cuda. Thank you. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 23:14:13 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: yesford@clear.net.nz, ardunbill@webtv.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:13:41 EST Subject: Re: Ardun head studs Bill, I just dug out my original Audun literature to see what you are talking about. I have a real nice drawing of all the related parts in the head assembly, and can see what you are talking about. Can you use a stud that has enough thread to allow you to doubble nut it? If so get some hex stock and make a stepped dowm stud to hold the cover on. Bob in Connecticut......once owned a NOS Audun and a V8 60 Ardun /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 23:15:56 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:06:29 -0800 Subject: Re: New Home owner Mike, My brother-in-law ran into zoning problems where he lives on almost an acre after he sold off two lots to pay for his new house and garage. Only a three car garage allowed and no shop. It's horse country ... he asked about barns ... no problem ... he went for the 40X60! The only livestock that has seen the inside of the barn is the cocker spaniel and the cats that keep the mice down. However last I counted there is a Mustang, two '32 roadsters in progress, a Camaro, his '32 Ford 3 window and plenty of room to work on all of them. I'm in the city, on .17 of an acre, and on the outside of a circle so the front is smaller than the back of the property but anything larger than what we built would leave us with no yard at all. I don't mind the small lawn. Wes on 3/12/01 3:06 PM, DaCudaKid@aol.com at DaCudaKid@aol.com wrote: > Hey Wes, > > What are the size restrictions on a barn in your area? I just saw a picture > of a barn being built in Colorado, just west of Denver, and it's a timber > frame too. I think its one every one of us could use. And just how big is > it you say? How does over 13,000 square feet sound? Hey Keith, would this > be big enough for you? > > Wes Potter wrote: > garage we built three years ago> > > Mike in L.A. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 23:18:31 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Keith Turk , Cris Shearer Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:15:44 -0800 Subject: Re: New Home owner Careful Cris, You could end up covered with oil or cement dust. Wes on 3/12/01 6:01 PM, Keith Turk at kturk@ala.net wrote: > I am kinda in your boat Cris.... with Two Garages.... One Large ONE car > garage ( just why the hell you build a big house with a one car garage is > still up for grabs...) and the Shop out back.... > > I have tried the air blower with good results... I am also real fond of the > Air nozzle with the compressor..... Just gets EVERYTHING dusty.... Hmmm > maybe I could get you to come clean mine out? then you will be Dusty and I > won't.... /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 12 23:37:25 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Doug Anderson , , Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:34:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Ron Halls Avanti -and Bill Burke And Bill cusses every time he has to change spark plugs because they set the engine back 25% and there are some you just can't reach comfortably. Now he's running an RX-7 with an extended nose that flips up for access. Says life is good for an old man. Wes on 3/12/01 8:08 PM, Doug Anderson at boogiewoogie12@hotmail.com wrote: > From: "The Butters Family" > Reply-To: "The Butters Family" > To: > Subject: Ron Halls Avanti > > > "These guys just keep coming back. Alittle Avanti history," > > > "many of you are familiar with Bill Burke"s Avanti. It first ran with a > Paxton super charged 224 cu in Stude in I think 1964 setting a record. The > car has been powered by Chry. Hemis and chev. motors almost continuously > since then. Running to nearly 240mph. " > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > -Bill told me that he's also run FE Ford motors in it as well :)-and that > the car has never seen the street. Studebaker sold it to him new -for use > as a race car COOL! > > > > -Dirty Doug stuck in New Yawk.....with Hil---- :( > _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 02:48:01 2001 From: tim schoeny To: Keith Turk Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:47:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Roll Cage junk... Finally got my "Maxton" gear out of Canada-customs hold up,and some solid strut rod bushings so caster can be added to the front end,also should keep braking from being such an exciting event.Hope to have some of it together this spring but been spending too much time in Floriduh to get much done-wife's out of vacation after our next trip so maybe.Looking for 140 this year-could happen if everything's going right.It'l be interesting to see what 5th gear is actually like. Keith Turk wrote: > Okay I am tired of Playing solitaire and it's a RAINY day here at the > shop.... So for lack of anything else going on .... Guess I'll fill you in > on the weekend's activities.... > > Brad and I had been checking out the Roll cage in the Camaro for > sometime... trying to find a place to stick in an extra Bar just to give it > some lateral support in the event of a roll over... We finally did find a > reasonable place that didn't interfere with access to the back.... and > installed a Brace from just above and behind the Drivers Helmet to the > Lower right side rocker panel bar.... then of course after we had it in > place I had to go back and repaint all the stuff we messed up installing > it... > > Rather then using spray Paint like I normally do... I sprayed it in a Mason > jar and used a Foam brush to paint the thing.... worked out real well.... > car looks a bunch safer and is all cleaned up afterwards... > > OKAY GUYS THAT'S MY story.... what are you folks up to? > > Keith Turk > Austin Healey 100, Bugeye, Box sprites, Bonneville Camaro ( Land Speed > Racer) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 06:16:41 2001 From: john robinson To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:16:20 -0600 Subject: where is tom brooks? Howdy, I'm looking for Tom Brooks from cedar rapids, Iowa, he is the owner of the VW truck that runs at Maxton and Bonneville. He had called me last week and left a message, but his phone is either off the hook, or his answering machine has failed. If anyone can get ahold of him, please have him contact me either at work 608-262-3606 , or at home 608-241-2388...thanks....drive careful John Robinson, Mechanician Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin 1513 University Ave. Madison, Wi. 53706 608-262-3606 FAX 608-265-2316 Current World Land Speed Record Holder Bonneville Salt Flats H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt 131.333 MPH set 1995 136.666 MPH set 1996 140.292 MPH set 2000 144.396 MPH set 2000 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 06:54:34 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "glen barrett" Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:58:59 -0600 Subject: Re: chat Yeah Glen.... it's easier to get on at 7pm my time...5 yours then it is to do it at 8..... We are going to be there for the guys when they get home and Fed... so Yeah I am going to be there early.... Keith ( mud balls Packed and waiting....( we ain't got no dang snow )) ---------- > From: glen barrett > To: Keith Turk > Cc: landspeed@autox.team.net > Subject: chat > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 9:40 PM > > KT > do you still plan on getting on one hour earlier tomorrow? > Glen (Laying in wait) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 07:06:23 2001 From: Dick J To: ardunbill@webtv.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:06:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Studs Bill, could you make a small threaded sleeve to screw onto the stud after the nuts are seated, then thread the valve cover extension into that? Kinda like those double ended nuts they sell in the hardware store for joining two secitons of threaded rod together. ===== Dick J In East Texas Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 07:09:49 2001 From: Dick J To: Nafzger , The Butters Family Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:09:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: HVLP spray guns Thanks for all the info on these. I guess I'm right in the same boat with all you guys. I've got this old Binks that I've used for over thirty years, as well as a small touchup gun and a fairly decent Sears gun that I use for priming. I guess I'll just keep what I got. I'm comfortable with it. Dick J --- Nafzger wrote: > Dick, > I have three large spray guns and two touchup > guns and I prefer to use my > old Devilbis JGA conventional gun for finish > coats. I use the HVLP for > primers and sealers. Probably the technical > reason is I'm getting old and > can't see well enough to not get runs with the > HVLP. I'm sure a professional > painter would have no problems with either one, > I just find it easier to get > runs with the HVLP. > Howard Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 07:31:07 2001 From: Dick J To: LGMCAFEE@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:30:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bolts Bill, you might also look to the aircraft industry. Some of those piston motors have awful long strokes, and most use long studs that hold both the head and cylinder in place. Curise out to your local airport and visit with some of the small shops that work on crop dusters, etc. Dick J --- LGMCAFEE@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/12/01 4:48:10 PM Central > Standard Time, > ardunbill@webtv.net writes: > > << > Anybody know where I could get 4 U.S. made, > certified bonafide 7/16 NC > Grade 8 bolts 10 inches long? We could turn > one end down to 5/16 and > put a couple of threads on it. The ARP studs > are claimed to be way > better than Grade 8, and I believe it. They > are also straight, which > not every Grade 8 bolt is. > >> > I know this sounds kind of crude but we got a > bunch of all thread at work 8 > foot long that were grade 8 I didn't know there > was such a thing. Larry Mac Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 07:39:21 2001 From: Dick J To: Want1937hd@aol.com, yesford@clear.net.nz, ardunbill@webtv.net, Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:39:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Ardun head studs Bill, you might check out some motorcycle shops too. If I remember right, the Norton 850 Commando motor had some really big and long studs that held the head and jug down. They'd be metric of course, but they might give you some grade 8 stock to start with. Dick J PS, Jeeze, they might make some stuff like that for performance applications in Harley drag bikes that would even be the right size! Check out your local outlaw Harley race shop. Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 07:42:57 2001 From: Dick J To: Wester S Potter , DaCudaKid@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:42:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Barns VS Garages Technically my shop is a barn too - -I have a genuine, licensed, tax certified ranch/farm here in East Texas. My wife always laughs and tells her friends that we have over 400 horses - - - - - - - and they all live under the hood of the race car out in the barn! Dick J Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 08:09:43 2001 From: Dick J To: WmTSmith@landracing.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:09:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Texas Rancher Are you going to wander around the Arlington swap meet next month? Jerry F is prolly gonna meet me there at some time or other, we might all get together if you are there too. Dick J --- William T Smith wrote: > My Texas kind of (horse rancher) guy. > > ===== Dick J In East Texas Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 09:04:37 2001 From: Dick J To: ardunbill@webtv.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:04:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Studs Bill, take a look at http://www.precisionfasteners.com/indmain.htm My guess is that if these guys don't have it, there ain't no such thing. Good luck Dick J ===== Dick J In East Texas Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 09:22:05 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: Doug Anderson Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:21:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Ron Halls Avanti -and Bill Burke Group, I will take you back a bit further in history of the Avanti. In 1961 & '62, during my tenure as president of the SCTA, we did some timing for the Granitelli Bros. during their promotion of the Paxton Superchargers. They were attempting to get Chrysler to use their Supercharger as a production option. After a couple of sessions timing Andy's Chrysler at the Palm Springs airport and Riverside Raceway,(Andy also ran this "300" at Bonneville), we went to Jean Nevada, just south of Las Vegas on the old highway, and timed their '62 Plymouth. As I remember it ran about 182 MPH. We returned later in the year and did a pre-introduction publicity thing for Andy and Studebaker on the Avanti. The stock Avanti ran in the low 170's on the same highway at Jean Nevada. I'm proud to say that I was among the first to see the Avanti unveiled, and was certainly impressed. It was quite a leap forward in car design and performance as well. I still love these cars. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC Doug Anderson wrote: > > From: "The Butters Family" > Reply-To: "The Butters Family" > To: > Subject: Ron Halls Avanti > > "These guys just keep coming back. Alittle Avanti history," > > "many of you are familiar with Bill Burke"s Avanti. It first ran with a > Paxton super charged 224 cu in Stude in I think 1964 setting a record. The > car has been powered by Chry. Hemis and chev. motors almost continuously > since then. Running to nearly 240mph. " > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > -Bill told me that he's also run FE Ford motors in it as well :)-and that > the car has never seen the street. Studebaker sold it to him new -for use > as a race car COOL! > > -Dirty Doug stuck in New Yawk.....with Hil---- :( > _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 09:38:19 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:42:31 -0600 Subject: Humor...NO LSR HOW DO THESE IDIOTS SURVIVE!!! HERE'S YOUR SIGN! >Recently, when I went to McDonald's I saw on the menu that you could >have >an order of >6, 9 or 12 Chicken McNuggets. I asked for a half dozen nuggets. We >don't >have half dozen nuggets", said the teenager at the counter. "You >don't?" I >replied. "We only have six, nine, or twelve," was the reply. So I >can't >order a half-dozen nuggets, but I can order six?" "That's right." So I >shook my head and ordered six McNuggets. >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >The paragraph above doesn't amaze me because of what happened a couple >of >months ago...I was checking out at the local food store with just a few >items and the lady behind me put her things on the belt close to mine. >I >picked up one of those "Dividers" that they keep by the cash register >and >placed it between our things so they wouldn't get mixed. After the girl > >had scanned all of my items, she picked up the "Divider" looking it all >over for the bar code so she could scan it. Not finding the bar code >she >said to me "Do you know how much this is?" and I said to her "I've >changed >my mind, I don't think I'll buy that today". She said "OK" and I paid >her >for the things and left. She had no clue to what had just happened! >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >A lady at work was seen putting a credit card into her floppy drive and >pulling it out very quickly. When asked as to what she was doing, she >said >she was shopping on the Internet and they kept asking for a credit card >number, so she was using the ATM "thingy". >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >I recently saw a distraught young lady weeping beside her car. Do you >need >some help?" I asked. She plied, "I knew I should have replaced the >battery >to this remote door unlocker. Now I can't get into my car. Do you >think >they (pointing to a distant convenient store) would have a battery to >fit >this?" Hmmm, I don't know. Do you have an alarm too?" I asked. "No, >just >this remote thingy," she answered, handing it and the car keys to me. >As >I took the key and manually unlocked the door, I replied, "Why don't you > >drive over there and check about the batteries it's a long walk. >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Several years ago, we had an! Intern who was none too swift. One day >she >was typing and turned to a secretary and said, "I'm almost out of typing > >paper. What do I do?" "Just use copier machine paper," the secretary >told >her. With that, the intern took her last remaining blank piece of >paper, >put it in the photocopier and proceeded to make five "blank" copies. >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >I was in a car dealership a while ago, when a large motor home was towed > >into the garage. The front of the vehicle was in dire need of repair >and >the whole thing generally looked like an extra in "Twister". I asked >the >manager what had happened. >He told me that the driver had set the "cruise control" and then went in > >the back to make a sandwich. >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >IDIOTS AT WORK... >Sign in a gas station: Coke 49 cents. Two for a $1.00. >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >IDIOTS & COMPUTERS My neighbor works in the operations department in the > >central office of a large bank. Employees in the field called him when >they have problems with their computers. One night he got a call from a > >woman in one of the branch banks who had this question: "I've got smoke >coming from the back of my terminal. Do you guys have a fire downtown?" > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >IDIOTS ARE EASY TO PLEASE I was sitting in my science class, when the >teacher commented that the next day would be the shortest day of the >year. >My lab partner became visibly excited, cheering and clapping. I >explained >to her that the amount of daylight changes, not the actual amount of >time. >Needless to say, she was very disappointed. >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Police in Radnor, Pennsylvania, interrogated a suspect by placing a >metal >colander on his head and connecting it with wires to a photocopy >machine. >The message "He's lying" was placed in the copier, and police pressed >the >copy button each time they thought the suspect wasn't telling the truth. > >Believing the "lie detector" was working, the suspect confessed. Keith Turk Austin Healey 100, Bugeye, Box sprites, Bonneville Camaro ( Land Speed Racer) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 09:48:00 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:47:17 EST Subject: Re: Humor...NO LSR In a message dated 03/13/2001 8:39:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, kturk@ala.net writes: << HOW DO THESE IDIOTS SURVIVE!!! HERE'S YOUR SIGN! >> Keith, In the "old-days" people like those would have starved. Today our society supports them................Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 09:51:43 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Keith Turk'" , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:50:54 -0700 Subject: RE: Humor...NO LSR Just what part of a chicken is a "McNugget?" Dale C. :) HOW DO THESE IDIOTS SURVIVE!!! HERE'S YOUR SIGN! >Recently, when I went to McDonald's I saw on the menu that you could >have >an order of >6, 9 or 12 Chicken McNuggets. I asked for a half dozen nuggets. We >don't >have half dozen nuggets", said the teenager at the counter. "You >don't?" I >replied. "We only have six, nine, or twelve," was the reply. So I >can't >order a half-dozen nuggets, but I can order six?" "That's right." So I >shook my head and ordered six McNuggets. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 09:56:15 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Clay, Dale" , Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:00:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Humor...NO LSR That isn't the real question in Life....the real question is this... Where in the world does Kentucky Fried Chicken get those Skinny little things they call chickens? are they imported from a starving country or something? Nevermind..... Guess you can tell I was Bored yet again.... K ---------- > From: Clay, Dale > To: 'Keith Turk' ; land-speed@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: Humor...NO LSR > Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:50 AM > > Just what part of a chicken is a "McNugget?" > > Dale C. :) > > > HOW DO THESE IDIOTS SURVIVE!!! > > HERE'S YOUR SIGN! > > >Recently, when I went to McDonald's I saw on the menu that you could > >have > >an order of > >6, 9 or 12 Chicken McNuggets. I asked for a half dozen nuggets. We > >don't > >have half dozen nuggets", said the teenager at the counter. "You > >don't?" I > >replied. "We only have six, nine, or twelve," was the reply. So I > >can't > >order a half-dozen nuggets, but I can order six?" "That's right." So I > >shook my head and ordered six McNuggets. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient or employees of > MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 10:03:40 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:06:59 -0600 Subject: Electrical Cut off switch Gotta take a sec and give Joe Timney a nod for the parts on this new Cut off switch.... The Flaming rivers deal was fine.... but required allot of little parts to make it happen.... Joe sent me all the stuff and all I had to do was find and make some small mounting brackets and bolt it in.... I did go through a couple of interesting twists on Just which way I wanted it to operate.... and decided that an emergency worker would be better off on my car Pulling OFF rather then Pushing..... my gut reaction was to make it a Push off switch.... but the more I got to looking at options... I felt like it would be easier to grab something and PULL rather then Push.... Keith Turk /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 10:08:59 2001 From: "DrMayf" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:07:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Humor...NO LSR Yeah! Hell yes! There is a sign on the back bar in the Terrible's Town Casino here in the big city of Pahrump, NV that reads Brand X of "hard cider $1.00 for 10 onces, $2.00 for 16 onces" And I thought all of us idiots lived in the south. mayf ----- Original Message ----- > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >IDIOTS AT WORK... > >Sign in a gas station: Coke 49 cents. Two for a $1.00. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 10:27:19 2001 From: "DrMayf" To: "Keith Turk" , "Clay, Dale" Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:25:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Humor...NO LSR Well, once heard the Colonel say to a live audience on TV that he only bought the best chickens he could find. Then he stole the rest... mayf ----- Original Message ----- > That isn't the real question in Life....the real question is this... > > Where in the world does Kentucky Fried Chicken get those Skinny little > things they call chickens? are they imported from a starving country or > something? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 10:29:41 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: drmayf@teknett.com, kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:27:52 EST Subject: Re: Humor...NO LSR All them stupid mistakes, are better than making a law to prevent them! Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 10:36:07 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: drmayf@teknett.com, kturk@ala.net, Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com, Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:34:45 EST Subject: Re: Humor...NO LSR Another option to make our lives better, and protect us from McDonald's employees would be, require collage degrees and a fast food union! Then we could all enjoy $10.00 hambugers! Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 10:45:35 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "DrMayf" , "Keith Turk" , Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:51:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Humor...NO LSR Mayf, List: In a Midland, TX bar, I think in the 70's, there was a sign that read: One beer $0.50 Two 1.00 Three 1.50........ This went all the way up to 20 beers, so the waitresses could look at the sign to figure their beer tabs. Jerry in Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: "DrMayf" To: "Keith Turk" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Humor...NO LSR > Yeah! Hell yes! There is a sign on the back bar in the Terrible's Town > Casino here in the big city of Pahrump, NV that reads Brand X of "hard cider > $1.00 for 10 onces, $2.00 for 16 onces" And I thought all of us idiots lived > in the south. > > mayf > ----- Original Message ----- > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >IDIOTS AT WORK... > > >Sign in a gas station: Coke 49 cents. Two for a $1.00. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 10:46:37 2001 From: "Jonathan Amo" To: "Clay, Dale" Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:46:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Humor...NO LSR the leftovers Jon "Clay, Dale" wrote: > Just what part of a chicken is a "McNugget?" > > Dale C. :) > > HOW DO THESE IDIOTS SURVIVE!!! > > HERE'S YOUR SIGN! > > >Recently, when I went to McDonald's I saw on the menu that you could > >have > >an order of > >6, 9 or 12 Chicken McNuggets. I asked for a half dozen nuggets. We > >don't > >have half dozen nuggets", said the teenager at the counter. "You > >don't?" I > >replied. "We only have six, nine, or twelve," was the reply. So I > >can't > >order a half-dozen nuggets, but I can order six?" "That's right." So I > >shook my head and ordered six McNuggets. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient or employees of > MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 11:22:48 2001 From: Joe Amo To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:59:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Humor...NO LSR Here is a true story from some friends of mine who live out in the plains of South Dakota, farmers, who by the way have excellent prairie dog and pheasant hunting that I could hook you up with if interested. They live near a "reservation" (will leave it at that) and have had some old junk cars, and car bodies half burined out in the pastures. Some "locals" came by and wanted to "go look at some of those old heaps". They hiked out the the junk pile and later strolled back. Upon return, they said can we drive out there with some jumper cables, we couldnt get any of those cars to start. My friends said "of course not they have been out there for over 20 years and there arent even any batteries in them". The locals said "yeah but we figured there was enough JUICE left in the lines" Joe (who admits to calling the parts store for "muffler bearings" per a "recommendation" in high school shop class) Amo ARDUNDOUG@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 03/13/2001 8:39:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, kturk@ala.net > writes: > > << HOW DO THESE IDIOTS SURVIVE!!! > > HERE'S YOUR SIGN! > >> > Keith, > In the "old-days" people like those would have starved. Today our society > supports them................Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 11:34:19 2001 From: "Stewart, Thomas (NPG)" To: "'RACE427@aol.com'" , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:28:07 -0800 Subject: RE: Cummins powered Dodge Ram I have been really happy with my 24 valve Ram. It's a '99 long bed extra cab with 3.54 gear. On California diesel I get about 18.5 mpg around town and 21 on the hiway. Towing my flat car trailer with the Monza on board I got 18.5 on the leg from Reno to Wendover (at 75 mph). I always get better mileage with out of CA. fuel.(as good as 24mpg unloaded) No problems so far. I do wish it had the new Allison 5 speed though. Tom /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 13:37:47 2001 From: "\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth" To: "Landspeed" Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:44:02 -0800 Subject: Bonneville Article If you are interested . . . Road&Track Magazine has loaded Jim Hall's article with my photos on Bonneville to its website. This essentially the same article that appeared in the magazine. http://www.roadandtrack.com/RoadAndTrack/Article/dec2000/1200_bonneville_pg1 .html If clicking on this link fails, then just go to the home page: www.roadandtrack.com and then click on "road trips" along the left side of the screen. There are photos of the Hammond lakester, Varni lakester, roadsters, Dozier & Hegarty's airflow, and Mike Cook's Pontiac Speedy Regards, "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth LandSpeed Productions Telling stories with words and pictures ------------------------o0o-------------------------- /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 13:56:59 2001 From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com To: lanspeed@west.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:56:17 EST Subject: Road & Track website / Landspeed Louise' s Photos - - - - - Thanks, Louise, for that info on the R & T website and the article including some of your photographic expertise ...... I will be sure to check it out ! Bruce PS : Are you making any progress on your book on The History of Dry Lakes Racing ??? MANY of us hope this will be forthcoming before too long !!! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 13:58:47 2001 From: "\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth" To: "Landspeed" Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:07:40 -0800 Subject: Illinois Introduces Unfair Operable Vehicle Removal Bill Can anyone spell b-i-g b-r-o-t-h-e-r? Speedy Regards, "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth LandSpeed Productions Telling stories with words and pictures ------------------------o0o-------------------------- LEGISLATIVE ALERT Illinois Introduces Unfair Operable Vehicle Removal Bill An outrageous bill (H.B. 3399) has been introduced in the Illinois Legislature that would allow county boards to declare operable vehicles on private property a nuisance and order them to be removed, unless they are registered as "Historic." Under current law, only inoperable vehicles can be targeted for removal. We Urge You to Contact Your State Legislators to Oppose This Bill 7H.B. 3399 provides that once a county board has declared an operable vehicle a nuisance, the owner has only seven days to remove it before facing fines. 7H.B. 3399 states that if the vehicle owner does not or cannot afford to dispose of the operable vehicle, a law enforcement agency may be authorized to remove it 7H.B. 3399 allows county boards to deem a legally registered vehicle a nuisance, based solely on its appearance. 7H.B. 3399 does not define what constitutes an operable nuisance vehicle, allowing county boards to make these decisions. 7H.B. 3399 is unfair to the low-income vehicle owners, many of which depend on the low-cost transportation that older and less pristine cars provide. 7H.B. 3399 would make it difficult for hobbyists to work on project vehicles on private property. 7H.B. 3399 demonstrates a lack of understanding of the vehicle hobby and the rights of hobbyists. Contact your state legislators and oppose this legislation. This bill tramples on the rights of vehicle enthusiasts and collectors in Illinois. If you need assistance in determining who your legislators are, please contact the Illinois General Assembly at 217/782-2000. This information can also be obtained by calling the SEMA Washington, D.C. office at 202/783-6007 or via the Internet at http://www.enjoythedrive.com/legislative/contact_legislator.asp. Please fax a copy of your letters to us at 202/783-6024 or mail to: SEMA Washington Office 1317 F Street, NW, Suite 500 Washington, DC 20004 Attention: Steve McDonald/Brian Caudill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 14:24:48 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth'" , Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:23:54 -0700 Subject: RE: Illinois Introduces Unfair Operable Vehicle Removal Bill Those legislators are a nuisance, have them removed immediately! Dale C. "No one is safe when the Legislature is in session" ~ Mark Twain ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// LEGISLATIVE ALERT Illinois Introduces Unfair Operable Vehicle Removal Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 14:30:17 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Keith Turk" , "glen barrett" Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:22:40 -0500 Subject: Re: chat > Keith ( mud balls Packed and waiting....( we ain't got no dang snow )) > > ---------- Hey Glen watch out I heard Keith was the kinda guy that might hide rocks in his mud balls. They might be fake though. Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 14:32:33 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth'" , Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:31:52 -0700 Subject: RE: Bonneville Article Subject: Bonneville Article Thanks for the tip, Louise! Nice pictures. Dale C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 14:37:59 2001 From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:37:28 EST Subject: LIBERTY SHIPS ( non LSR ) / CHAT LINE / SHOP TIME TONIGHT Some of us kicked around some discussion on WW II Liberty Ships a while ago on this list ..... for some of you who won' t be on Jon's chat line, or out thrashing in your shops at 10 PM Eastern, there is a one hour special about them on Modern Marvels, on The History Channel tonight ...... I have seen some programs on them before, and it shows the old Kaiser Shipyards in Richmond, California, where many of them were built in record time back in the 40s . One of my regular stops when I visit my son Darrell in California is Speed - Ox Welding Supply, which is right in the very area where those ships were built, and, of course, it is also mandatory that I buy some welding goodies to take home as a souvenir of each trip ! Since it will be in the 30 *s in my shop tonight, I'll be watching that slice of history that happened when I was just a kid ...... Very glad warmer weather is on the way ....... Next Winter I will be heating just PART of my newer, largest garage, which at 2688 sq.ft. is a little too pricey to heat all of ...... ENJOY the program / the chat line / or your shop time !!! Bruce in COLDecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 14:43:07 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:35:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Humor...NO LSR I have a true stupid story to relate to this. Years ago when grocery stores were making the change over from paper bags to plastic they would always ask "paper or plastic " to the point that you grew tired of hearing it. It don't matter just put them in the bags and quit talking to all the other bag boys my beer is going to get hot ok. Now you get the picture. One day I was in a hurry to get home and had to stop at the store first. As I was checking out I heard the usual question paper or plastic. Being in an already foul mood and being somewhat of a smart ass at the time I replied Card Board. The bag boy did not say a word just turned and walked to the back of the store and retrieved what must have been the biggest box he could find. By this time it was difficult to decide who was more stupid me for saying cardboard or him for going to get a box. Rather than cause the kid more grief, I just placed the box on top of the buggy and headed out the store. Needles to say I never tried that stunt again. Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 14:57:25 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com (Clay, Dale), land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:56:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: Illinois Introduces Unfair Operable Vehicle Removal Bill Dale, the Virginia rendition was by Thomas Jefferson, who said, "The rights and privileges of all Virginians are never more in jeopardy than when the General Assembly is in session." Mark Twain is always good, too. Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 14:59:50 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:59:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: What's New Thanks to everyone for all the good suggestions for the Ardun studs. Some ideas I never heard of before. More than enough to solve the problem in a workmanlike manner. Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 15:07:33 2001 From: Ken Bond To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:08:04 -0800 Subject: Need a source Folks, I am looking for 1" METRIC lug nuts, specifically: 1985 corvette and the wheel lugs are 12 X 1.5 (I think). Ed indicated he has seen them in 'some catalog' but can't remember where. Any ideas?? thanks KEN * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Ken Bond, * * Prof. of Bus. Admin. * * Humboldt State Univ. ____________ * * Arcata, CA 95521 _______| 58 85 99 |_________ * * / How much horsepower / * * / Can I have and still / * * Wk.:707.826.4277 /_________ go to Heaven?______/ * * Wk Fax:707.826.6666 |_61______61_| * * Hm.:707.826.7764 I Never Drive Faster than * * Hm Fax:707.826.0334 My Guardian Angel Can Fly * * Internet: * * kmb2@humboldt.edu (office) * * ragtops@humboldt1.com (home) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 17:33:31 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: "Clay, Dale" Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:32:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Illinois Introduces Unfair Operable Vehicle Removal Bill I think it was Will Rogers that said, "Thank the Good Lord you ain't gettin all the government that you're paying for." Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC "Clay, Dale" wrote: > > Those legislators are a nuisance, have them removed immediately! > > Dale C. > > "No one is safe when the Legislature is in session" ~ Mark Twain /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 20:48:20 2001 From: Chuck Rothfuss To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:38:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Humor...NO LSR Keith, List, This is perfectly timed for me to contribute a couple dandys. We've got several young Marines who moonlight at the dealership. We refer to them as "BB boys". (Put 'em in a box car with a BB and they'll either break it or steal it.) Last Saturday one of my buddies was there working on his car, and had an opportunity to observe one new guy. The weekend before this fella diagnosed a suspension squeek and had replaced both rear struts on a car without even noticing that a rear suspension link was so badly bent it was rubbing on the chassis with every suspension movement. The car still squeeked just the same when he was done, but he didn't notice that either. Well, first the guy asks for help putting a serpentine belt back on a car, saying he'd taken it off an hour earlier and couldn't remember how it went. Always helpful, my partner shows him how to put the belt on, then takes it right back off and hands it back to the guy. After a few moments he gave in and pointed the guy to the belt routing label on the fender. An hour or so later our hero is seen pulling the car outside, and sitting inside it in the parking lot for a LONG time. When he finally comes inside he says "The keys are stuck in the ignition." Once again my partner walks over to see what he's done, and ...you guessed it. HE DIDN'T HAVE THE CAR IN PARK. Sometimes it feels like we work 5 days a week just to straighten out what the BB boys screw up on Saturday, but they're good for an occasional laugh. Chuck Rothfuss Pole Cat Hollow, NC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 13 21:04:32 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:03:52 EST Subject: Re: Titanium valves In a message dated 3/12/01 9:57:15 PM Central Standard Time, bbutters@coldreams.com writes: << In my forever quest to get the car running for the least amount of money I amwandering about using Winston Cup Titanium valves which are cheap but to long and to big. Does anyone know what it would cost to have them shortened and new keeper grooves cut in them. I guess I could do everything but the keeper grooves. Maybe Rich Fox would do that, or one of you other guys. Thank you Kvach >> Kvach I have been thinking about doing this also but didn't know for sure how to go about it. Are the ends of the valves hardened and if they are you would loose this when they are shortened? Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 06:31:20 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:28:00 -0600 Subject: Re: World Records LONG > > Okay Go grab a Diet Coke or a Beer... this is going to take a minute to > > explain..... If you have no interest.... HIT DELETE... > > > > We created the List for World Record discussions on Jon Amo's > > Landracing.com website....( THANKS JON ) and then we spent everyone's energy sorting out > > opinions... and MUCH to everyone's credit .... everyone kept an open > > mind... We tried to sort out what would and wouldn't work in real life... > > Bottom line... Nothing much was accomplished.... But I wanted to share my > > opinion based on the time we spent hashing all this out.... Keep in > > Mind.... this is ONLY my opinion. > > > > It was my thought that the FIA was worthless..... I have changed that > > opinion based on our discussions.... It's a VERY VALID organization if you > > happen to be in the Special construction catagory and you have enough > > money.... it's the REAL way to set a WORLD LAND SPEED RECORD.... > > > > Past that comment there is something lacking in the Landspeed racing > > community....Something for the Average Racer and that is a list of records which states who has the > > fastest car on the Lakes or at Maxton.... these are one way records on > > courses between 1 mile and 1.6 miles..... We can also throw England into > > that fray if you wish... I don't have a name for this but lets call it a > > Short course one way record for the moment.... > > > > Let me tell you why I think it would be Neat to have this set of > > records.... Basically we all strive to be the best or fastest at what we > > do.... but today we have to go through 3 different books to find out who > > has the Fastest ...D/F/CC for example.... If I am racing at Maxton and Tom > > Bryant is racing the Lakes.... and we have the same kinda car.... why not > > compete with each other.... even thou we all know there are differences in > > the courses and the tracks.... what is the harm in the bragging Rights one > > of us might attain... > > > > Could we call this a World Record? Shoot I don't know.... I doubt it.... > > to many OLD SCHOOL folks would poo poo that idea.... so call it what you > > will One of us is going to be the fastest... > > > > Now we have to talk about Bonneville and what it means when you set a > > record there.... This is a VERY personal Opinion and does NOT represent > the > > others on the list.... it's only MY opinion..... Sorry for those who don't > > agree.... but because the FIA isn't a credible organization for the > average > > racer..... the SCTA has taken thier Place.... so if the SCTA puts my > Record > > up then it's a WORLD RECORD.... Period.... is that argueable? Sure if > > your a died in the wool FIA supporter then you can say it's not to the > > STANDARD as it wasn't set within the one hour window or not in two > > directions.... ( BIG NOTE.... the SCTA does not make this Claim I do > > )....But who cares about that.... it's to the SCTA standard and that is > all > > I care about Personally.... If you set a record at Bonneville and it's > > Broken at Lake Gairdner..... guess what..... if they used the same method > > in attaining that record.... they would hold the World Record.... > > > > again you can see that there is a Lack of a List of those records also... > > so we would need a second list that is for Two Way records on longer > > courses... ( at the present it would really be the Bonneville record book > > with maybe 4 changes .... that's a guess because I haven't merged the data > > bases ) > > > > The Bottom line is do we need an organization which maintains these records? or do we just continue on as we have.... The singular advantage to having an organization is it could develope a structure where others might join in and start thier own organizations thoughout the world... then we could have World Class competition.. not that we don't already!!! But it might make it easier for someone like John Beckett and the ECTA to get started.... sorry for being so long winded.... I just wanted to share the outcome of our discussions and provide some food for thought.... if this goes on more then TWO days I will ask that we once again move to Jon's list on Landracing.com so as not to offend those who are truly NOT interested.... ( now how was that for politically correct?) > > Keith Turk > > Austin Healey 100, Bugeye, Box sprites, Bonneville Camaro ( Land Speed > > Racer) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 06:55:43 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net, landspeedracer@email.msn.com Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:54:48 EST Subject: Re: World Records LONG Hi Keith,That wasn't so long, still have coffee in the cup. The way I look at what you said, like NHRA you could hold the Class Record overall, but not hold the Track Record. Class Record (Top speed in class) is the one everyone looks at first. Bob in Connecticut..........may have the Record for the longest wheelbase Lotus 11 Modified Sports /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 07:35:53 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:31:52 -0600 Subject: Re: World Records LONG Yeah Bob... you could hold a course record and not have a Overall record in your class.... One of our biggest issues that I don't think we will ever resolve is the Back up Pass required by NHRA and or the return run required by the SCTA at Bonneville ... So this just will never have the stature of something accomplished on a long course with a back up..... But Maxton and El Mirage seem to have records without back up Passes.... so it must be possible.... Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: Re: World Records LONG > Hi Keith,That wasn't so long, still have coffee in the cup. The way I look at > what you said, like NHRA you could hold the Class Record overall, but not > hold the Track Record. Class Record (Top speed in class) is the one everyone > looks at first. Bob in Connecticut..........may have the Record for the > longest wheelbase Lotus 11 Modified Sports > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 08:10:24 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net, landspeedracer@email.msn.com Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:08:42 EST Subject: Re: World Records LONG Keith how much are we going to have to pay you for this New Order? Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 08:20:19 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: , , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:16:58 -0600 Subject: Re: World Records LONG Jack I like your new Law theory.... and I am in Total agreement about the money side of this thing..... Personally I don't think it costs a dime..... If someone donates thier time to merging the data bases.... if someone wants a certificate then they can Pay someone to print it.... NOT ME as I don't now or in the future want any thing to do with Money and this deal .... That in my honest opinion is where everything gets screwed up.... Add Someone Making MONEY on it and it is going to offend someone else... .... Many folks have pointed out to me that you can't do this for FREE..... Personally I think it's the best way to make it happen as it will offend NO one..... but I also understand reality..... so I may have to bend a bit... But again it's just an Idea... and when it comes right down to the Brass Tacks.... I don't want to put a Penny in my personal Pocket.... Rather then looking for a sponsor for the ECTA Two Club I have done it out of my Pocket.... Why .... well it's better then someone ever being able to say I got something other then the shear joy of giving this way.....( never been accused of it and don't want to be.... Greed is an ugly thing ) Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: Re: World Records LONG > Keith how much are we going to have to pay you for this New Order? Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 08:22:35 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Keith Turk , , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:13:58 -0800 Subject: Re: World Records LONG This explains why the land-speed list has been so slow! Wes on 3/14/01 5:28 AM, Keith Turk at kturk@ala.net wrote: >>> Okay Go grab a Diet Coke or a Beer... this is going to take a minute to >>> explain..... If you have no interest.... HIT DELETE... >>> >>> We created the List for World Record discussions on Jon Amo's >>> Landracing.com website....( THANKS JON ) and then we spent everyone's > energy sorting out >>> opinions... /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 08:36:08 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Keith Turk" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:36:06 -0700 Subject: Re: World Records Keith, Won't get into this much as I had my chance on the "private thread" but did you include closed courses in your venues? Many records have been set at Fort Stockton and other tracks that are in excess of Bonneville records. Also, I have friends running open-road race cars in excess of Bonneville records. Do they count? One of my concerns for "certifying" a world record would be conforming to a consistant track length, & and grade (NOT downhill) and conformance to THE rule book (SCTA). Ed (the bomb thrower) Keith Turk wrote: > > > Okay Go grab a Diet Coke or a Beer... this is going to take a minute to > > > explain..... If you have no interest.... HIT DELETE... > > > > > > We created the List for World Record discussions on Jon Amo's > > > Landracing.com website....( THANKS JON ) and then we spent everyone's > energy sorting out > > > opinions... and MUCH to everyone's credit .... everyone kept an open > > > mind... We tried to sort out what would and wouldn't work in real > life... > > > Bottom line... Nothing much was accomplished.... But I wanted to share > my > > > opinion based on the time we spent hashing all this out.... Keep in > > > Mind.... this is ONLY my opinion. > > > > > > It was my thought that the FIA was worthless..... I have changed that > > > opinion based on our discussions.... It's a VERY VALID organization if > you > > > happen to be in the Special construction catagory and you have enough > > > money.... it's the REAL way to set a WORLD LAND SPEED RECORD.... > > > > > > Past that comment there is something lacking in the Landspeed racing > > > community....Something for the Average Racer and that is a list of > records which states who has the > > > fastest car on the Lakes or at Maxton.... these are one way records on > > > courses between 1 mile and 1.6 miles..... We can also throw England into > > > that fray if you wish... I don't have a name for this but lets call it > a > > > Short course one way record for the moment.... > > > > > > Let me tell you why I think it would be Neat to have this set of > > > records.... Basically we all strive to be the best or fastest at what we > > > do.... but today we have to go through 3 different books to find out who > > > has the Fastest ...D/F/CC for example.... If I am racing at Maxton and > Tom > > > Bryant is racing the Lakes.... and we have the same kinda car.... why > not > > > compete with each other.... even thou we all know there are differences > in > > > the courses and the tracks.... what is the harm in the bragging Rights > one > > > of us might attain... > > > > > > Could we call this a World Record? Shoot I don't know.... I doubt > it.... > > > to many OLD SCHOOL folks would poo poo that idea.... so call it what you > > > will One of us is going to be the fastest... > > > > > > Now we have to talk about Bonneville and what it means when you set a > > > record there.... This is a VERY personal Opinion and does NOT represent > > the > > > others on the list.... it's only MY opinion..... Sorry for those who > don't > > > agree.... but because the FIA isn't a credible organization for the > > average > > > racer..... the SCTA has taken thier Place.... so if the SCTA puts my > > Record > > > up then it's a WORLD RECORD.... Period.... is that argueable? Sure if > > > your a died in the wool FIA supporter then you can say it's not to the > > > STANDARD as it wasn't set within the one hour window or not in two > > > directions.... ( BIG NOTE.... the SCTA does not make this Claim I do > > > )....But who cares about that.... it's to the SCTA standard and that is > > all > > > I care about Personally.... If you set a record at Bonneville and it's > > > Broken at Lake Gairdner..... guess what..... if they used the same > method > > > in attaining that record.... they would hold the World Record.... > > > > > > again you can see that there is a Lack of a List of those records > also... > > > so we would need a second list that is for Two Way records on longer > > > courses... ( at the present it would really be the Bonneville record > book > > > with maybe 4 changes .... that's a guess because I haven't merged the > data > > > bases ) > > > > > > The Bottom line is do we need an organization which maintains these > records? > or do we just continue on as we have.... The singular advantage to having > an organization is it could develope a structure where others might join in > and start thier own organizations thoughout the world... then we could have > World Class competition.. not that we don't already!!! But it might make > it easier for someone like John Beckett and the ECTA to get started.... > > sorry for being so long winded.... I just wanted to share the outcome of our > discussions and provide some food for thought.... if this goes on more then > TWO days I will ask that we once again move to Jon's list on Landracing.com > so as not to offend those who are truly NOT interested.... ( now how was > that for politically correct?) > > > > Keith Turk > > > Austin Healey 100, Bugeye, Box sprites, Bonneville Camaro ( Land Speed > > > Racer) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 08:57:17 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:54:02 -0600 Subject: Minumum Speed? Just heard something else that might bring a few of you out of the woodwork... What do you folks think about setting a Minimum speed on the Lakes? Just a curious question.... Would it help eleviate congestion or would it make it an elitest Group? Keith ( hey Jon... now there might be a Good question for your Poll ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 09:06:00 2001 From: Dick J To: Ed Van Scoy , Keith Turk Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:05:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: World Records --- Ed Van Scoy wrote: > Keith, Won't get into this much as I had my > chance on the "private thread" but > did you include closed courses in your venues? > Many records have been set at Fort > Stockton and other tracks .............. Speaking of Fort Stockton, have you run the Big Bend race? Before I got started with LSR I had planned on building an open road racer. Now, the way my Camaro is ending up, it may well be able to run both venues and I am again flirting with the idea of running open road. Many, many years ago I ran what was called Hill Climb Sprints in Germany, which was one car at a time over a measured length of suitable Bavarian road. I had a Devin/Porsche and had a blast doing it. I was going to build another Porsche-powered special, but hey, Chevy Small Blocks can run too. ===== Dick J In East Texas Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 09:12:16 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Keith Turk , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:07:53 -0800 Subject: Re: Minumum Speed? In a way it's already there ... two courses at Speed Week, Quarter mile trap/w 175 mph qualification for long course at World of Speed. Purple driving suit requirement at Maxton... Wes on 3/14/01 7:54 AM, Keith Turk at kturk@ala.net wrote: > Just heard something else that might bring a few of you out of the > woodwork... > > What do you folks think about setting a Minimum speed on the Lakes? > > Just a curious question.... Would it help eleviate congestion or would it > make it an elitest Group? > > Keith ( hey Jon... now there might be a Good question for your Poll ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 09:23:42 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Keith Turk" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:23:37 -0700 Subject: Re: World Records OK, that makes sense to me also.........Does that mean you have to pay Glen & Dan's airfare to certify timing and rules? ;-) Ed Keith Turk wrote: > No Ed we didn't include other venues that didn't operate under SCTA > rules.... only because they don't certify thier records or have the same > classes.. like the SCTA and that is critical.... > > Keep in mind that the ECTA and DRLA currently operate under SCTA rules with > Minor exceptions.... It's my opinion that those exceptions eliminate those > folks from running until the SCTA or this New group of records recognizes > that class... > > That made perfect sense to me.... Hmmm K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Van Scoy" > To: "Keith Turk" > Cc: ; " John Beckett" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: World Records > > > Keith, Won't get into this much as I had my chance on the "private thread" > but > > did you include closed courses in your venues? Many records have been set > at Fort > > Stockton and other tracks that are in excess of Bonneville records. Also, > I have > > friends running open-road race cars in excess of Bonneville records. Do > they > > count? One of my concerns for "certifying" a world record would be > conforming to > > a consistant track length, & and grade (NOT downhill) and conformance to > THE rule > > book (SCTA). > > Ed (the bomb thrower) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 09:36:23 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Dick J" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:36:00 -0700 Subject: Re: World Records No I haven't run Big Bend. There are problems with politics there ( and a new promoter this year) and quite frankley, don't want to get involved with it. I've been through all that before with the Silver State race in the '80s and again in the 90's. Still and all, it is quite a thrill putting your foot to the floor at the start line and not lifting it for 50 miles or so..... Ed Dick J wrote: > --- Ed Van Scoy wrote: > > Keith, Won't get into this much as I had my > > chance on the "private thread" but > > did you include closed courses in your venues? > > Many records have been set at Fort > > Stockton and other tracks .............. > > Speaking of Fort Stockton, have you run the Big > Bend race? Before I got started with LSR I had > planned on building an open road racer. Now, the > way my Camaro is ending up, it may well be able > to run both venues and I am again flirting with > the idea of running open road. Many, many years > ago I ran what was called Hill Climb Sprints in > Germany, which was one car at a time over a > measured length of suitable Bavarian road. I had > a Devin/Porsche and had a blast doing it. I was > going to build another Porsche-powered special, > but hey, Chevy Small Blocks can run too. > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 09:44:56 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Wester S Potter" , "Keith Turk" , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:43:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Minumum Speed? Youse guys are going to force me into retirement Glen(to old for the pressure) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wester S Potter" To: "Keith Turk" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Minumum Speed? > In a way it's already there ... two courses at Speed Week, Quarter mile > trap/w 175 mph qualification for long course at World of Speed. Purple > driving suit requirement at Maxton... > > Wes > > on 3/14/01 7:54 AM, Keith Turk at kturk@ala.net wrote: > > > Just heard something else that might bring a few of you out of the > > woodwork... > > > > What do you folks think about setting a Minimum speed on the Lakes? > > > > Just a curious question.... Would it help eleviate congestion or would it > > make it an elitest Group? > > > > Keith ( hey Jon... now there might be a Good question for your Poll ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 09:52:00 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Keith Turk" , , , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:50:55 -0800 Subject: Re: World Records LONG NO ONE IS PAID IN SCTA,IT'S ALL VOLUNTEER ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 7:16 AM Subject: Re: World Records LONG > Jack I like your new Law theory.... and I am in Total agreement about the > money side of this thing..... Personally I don't think it costs a dime..... > If someone donates thier time to merging the data bases.... if someone wants > a certificate then they can Pay someone to print it.... NOT ME as I don't > now or in the future want any thing to do with Money and this deal .... > > That in my honest opinion is where everything gets screwed up.... Add > Someone Making MONEY on it and it is going to offend someone else... > > .... Many folks have pointed out to me that you can't do this for FREE..... > Personally I think it's the best way to make it happen as it will offend NO > one..... but I also understand reality..... so I may have to bend a bit... > But again it's just an Idea... and when it comes right down to the Brass > Tacks.... I don't want to put a Penny in my personal Pocket.... > > Rather then looking for a sponsor for the ECTA Two Club I have done it out > of my Pocket.... Why .... well it's better then someone ever being able to > say I got something other then the shear joy of giving this ay.....( never > been accused of it and don't want to be.... Greed is an ugly thing ) > > Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: World Records LONG > > > > Keith how much are we going to have to pay you for this New Order? Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 10:06:35 2001 From: "Jerry Dickinson" To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:06:20 -0800 Subject: Re: World Records LONG HI List. I have friend that needs to sell a motor. It's a rebuilt 351 ford clevland. it has 2 bbl heads put has a e-brock 4bbl manifold. He say it is pro built for the street.(not sure what that really means) he also has the headers for it to fit into a mustang body. he want 1500.00 for it. if your interested in it e-mail me back. og_1leg@hotmail.com Jerry Dickinson _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 10:34:36 2001 From: "Jim Dincau" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:34:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Minumum Speed? Keith, I don't think the problem at the lakes is how long it takes a vehicle to clear the course, it is how long it takes for the dust to clear. On a day with a slight quartering tail wind there is no problem with everyone getting two runs in. When the dust just hangs there it can take till noon just to run the first round. The more entry's, the less runs per entry. Jim in Palmdale ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Turk To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: Minumum Speed? > Just heard something else that might bring a few of you out of the > woodwork... > > What do you folks think about setting a Minimum speed on the Lakes? > > Just a curious question.... Would it help eleviate congestion or would it > make it an elitest Group? > > Keith ( hey Jon... now there might be a Good question for your Poll ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 10:35:56 2001 From: "Jim Dincau" To: , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:34:59 -0800 Subject: Re: Titanium valves We run hardened steel lash caps over the ends of titanium valves. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Titanium valves > Kvach I have been thinking about doing this also but didn't know for sure how > to go about it. Are the ends of the valves hardened and if they are you would > loose this when they are shortened? Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 11:34:23 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:34:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Head Gaskets I opened up my Chubby Small Block last night and found something I'm not used to. Every head gasket I've ever seen on a modern V-8 has been a composite type thing with crush rings around the cylinders. What I found under these heads were two thin (.030 - .040) sheets of metal, possibly steel or stainless steel. I've seen copper head gaskets for flatheads before, but have never run across this type of steel shim gasket on an OHV V-8. Ought to be good for a little compression ratio boost, but what else should I know? They apparently can be re-used since nothing happens to them when they are installed? Do I use some kind of goop or something when I put the heads back on? Should I use standard torque specs? ===== Dick J In East Texas Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 12:34:17 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Dick J" , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:27:55 -0600 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Dick we ran a .018 on the Cast Iron D motor in the beginning... then we realized we ain't drag racing....Head seal is an important issue .... we been running Felpro and Ferrera gaskets and both seem to be fine even with the extra Push they get from a bit of Nitrous.... Keith ---------- > From: Dick J > To: Keith Turk ; land-speed@autox.team.net > Subject: Head Gaskets > Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:34 PM > > I opened up my Chubby Small Block last night and > found something I'm not used to. Every head > gasket I've ever seen on a modern V-8 has been a > composite type thing with crush rings around the > cylinders. What I found under these heads were > two thin (.030 - .040) sheets of metal, possibly > steel or stainless steel. I've seen copper head > gaskets for flatheads before, but have never run > across this type of steel shim gasket on an OHV > V-8. Ought to be good for a little compression > ratio boost, but what else should I know? They > apparently can be re-used since nothing happens > to them when they are installed? Do I use some > kind of goop or something when I put the heads > back on? Should I use standard torque specs? > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 13:11:15 2001 From: "Tom Neimeyer" <3cbxs@ev1.net> To: "Land Speed List" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:20:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Keith, Do you coat the head gaskets with anything? What about O-ringing? What about everybody else? Regards, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: "Dick J" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Head Gaskets > Dick we ran a .018 on the Cast Iron D motor in the beginning... then we > realized we ain't drag racing....Head seal is an important issue .... we > been running Felpro and Ferrera gaskets and both seem to be fine even with > the extra Push they get from a bit of Nitrous.... > > Keith > > ---------- > > From: Dick J > > To: Keith Turk ; land-speed@autox.team.net > > Subject: Head Gaskets > > Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:34 PM > > > > I opened up my Chubby Small Block last night and > > found something I'm not used to. Every head > > gasket I've ever seen on a modern V-8 has been a > > composite type thing with crush rings around the > > cylinders. What I found under these heads were > > two thin (.030 - .040) sheets of metal, possibly > > steel or stainless steel. I've seen copper head > > gaskets for flatheads before, but have never run > > across this type of steel shim gasket on an OHV > > V-8. Ought to be good for a little compression > > ratio boost, but what else should I know? They > > apparently can be re-used since nothing happens > > to them when they are installed? Do I use some > > kind of goop or something when I put the heads > > back on? Should I use standard torque specs? > > > > ===== > > Dick J > > In East Texas > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 13:17:11 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Tom Neimeyer" <3cbxs@ev1.net>, Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:20:47 -0600 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets I don't use O-rings yet.... I have considered it... but I am not running that much cylinder pressure yet....( I can hear Dave Moaning from here ) It's not that expensive and compared to the cost of Head Gaskets these days I am thinking there might be some advantages to the copper... be interesting to hear what the others have to say.... Keith ---------- > From: Tom Neimeyer <3cbxs@ev1.net> > To: Land Speed List > Subject: Re: Head Gaskets > Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 2:20 PM > > Keith, > Do you coat the head gaskets with anything? What about O-ringing? What > about everybody else? > > Regards, Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Turk" > To: "Dick J" ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: Head Gaskets > > > > Dick we ran a .018 on the Cast Iron D motor in the beginning... then we > > realized we ain't drag racing....Head seal is an important issue .... we > > been running Felpro and Ferrera gaskets and both seem to be fine even with > > the extra Push they get from a bit of Nitrous.... > > > > Keith > > > > ---------- > > > From: Dick J > > > To: Keith Turk ; land-speed@autox.team.net > > > Subject: Head Gaskets > > > Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:34 PM > > > > > > I opened up my Chubby Small Block last night and > > > found something I'm not used to. Every head > > > gasket I've ever seen on a modern V-8 has been a > > > composite type thing with crush rings around the > > > cylinders. What I found under these heads were > > > two thin (.030 - .040) sheets of metal, possibly > > > steel or stainless steel. I've seen copper head > > > gaskets for flatheads before, but have never run > > > across this type of steel shim gasket on an OHV > > > V-8. Ought to be good for a little compression > > > ratio boost, but what else should I know? They > > > apparently can be re-used since nothing happens > > > to them when they are installed? Do I use some > > > kind of goop or something when I put the heads > > > back on? Should I use standard torque specs? > > > > > > ===== > > > Dick J > > > In East Texas > > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 13:43:49 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "Dick J" , "Keith Turk" , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:53:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets WOW A subject in which I can contribute. The cylinder head gaskets that Dick mentions, even though brand "X", are referred to as Metal laminated steel, the latest in sealing technology, (actually it is not new. It is preceded by Coopers rings and other devices that provide a high unit load at the combustion seal.) Ford began using MLS technology with introduction of the 4.6 L Modular V8 in 1992, as a 3 layer gasket. I remember a representative of Cherry Gasket Co. in Japan approaching me with this technology in 1986 when I was the component design engineer on the 2.3L 4 cyl engine at Fraud. He had in his hands a gasket from the then Honda F1 engine, and it was a piece of work. Actually 4 layers. but then it is a different story. (a real gasket engineer would wet his pants just looking at one) These gaskets are embossed, and coated with an elastomer material for micro seal of fluids, and are NOT REUSEABLE. They generally also require a very smooth and flat surface, with very little variation. Old Rz and Ra surface finish measurements are not sufficient for most MLS gaskets in use today. On the up side, they work extremely well when all design requirements are met, and provide less bore distortion than conventional solid core gaskets with bore grommets, and wire ring inserts. I have been using high pressure gas filled "O" rings for sealing combustion gasses on my boosted engines, and if MLS gaskets were available I would not bothered. They are generally speaking that good. Recently the two layer gaskets are an effort at compromise in cost. Even with the 3 layer, there were only two companies that truly had a handle on design and development of this type of gasket. Within the Ford supply base, Fel Pro, and Ishakawa, were the only ones, and of that the Japan supplier did not have a US facility, nor would they commit. The design of the combustion seal is critical. There are several approaches, and none are necessarily wrong, just some better than others. For proper design intent, look at the early ford part and proceed at your own risk. As we all know, clamp load, and consistency of that load is also paramount, and I worry more about that with the standard paper faced gasket more than the design. The real advantage of MLS is that the Joint then becomes metal/metal, and there is virtually no creep relaxation thus equal clamping load for the life of the joint. Torquing to a predetermined point on a fasteners stress/strain curve is possible, with predictable load, and life. I don't advocate torque to yield for our racing applications, but we can know where we are and what we are doing at this tenuous sealing joint. Sorry if this sounds like a lecture. They used to call me professoria in Brasil..... :=D Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 13:54:51 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "Keith Turk" , "Tom Neimeyer" <3cbxs@ev1.net>, Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:07:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets To further my "lecture" (big smile here), The technology that is available with Fel Pro wire ring, or lock wire gaskets, the most special prep to do is the old music wire support of the armour. The most recent evolution is to allow that wire "O" ring protrude from the deck only .003" to .005" so as to not affect the core of the gasket and cause the "balance" to be off. (combustion seal vs. fluid seal). The typical gaskets don't require a sealer. Copper gaskets (spacers)when used must be dead soft, and still compromise fluid seal, so something must be done. The optimum sealing is using actual coopers rings, or a variation of that design. Porsche and I'll bet most real racing engines use a variation of the Coopers principle. As I mentioned, in my turbocharged engines I used a 1/16" inconnel tube, formed into an "O" ring, welded, and filled with High pressure gas to seal combustion. (How they do it is a secret.)The remainder of the deck is sealed with elastomer "O" rings. It takes a little work for the machinist, but is well worth the effort. More than 200 HP per bore has been sealed with these parts. If anyone wants specific information, the rings I use are produced by Helico Flex. Not Cheap, but they don't fail. I will provide more info if anyone wants. This is not necessarily an endorsement, but statement of fact. Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 13:57:11 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Rick Byrnes" , "Dick J" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:54:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets You ain't Done Buckwheat.... I didn't understand a Bit of that.... Take your time.... hell take it one step at a time... explain what is best in what application and why.... Share you dog.... SHARE.... Keith ( hey Rick... feeling used today? ... hey someone has to love ya ) ---------- > From: Rick Byrnes > To: Dick J ; Keith Turk ; land-speed@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: Head Gaskets > Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 2:53 PM > > WOW > A subject in which I can contribute. > The cylinder head gaskets that Dick mentions, even though brand "X", are > referred to as Metal laminated steel, the latest in sealing technology, > (actually it is not new. It is preceded by Coopers rings and other devices > that provide a high unit load at the combustion seal.) Ford began using MLS > technology with introduction of the 4.6 L Modular V8 in 1992, as a 3 layer > gasket. I remember a representative of Cherry Gasket Co. in Japan > approaching me with this technology in 1986 when I was the component design > engineer on the 2.3L 4 cyl engine at Fraud. He had in his hands a gasket > from the then Honda F1 engine, and it was a piece of work. Actually 4 > layers. > but then it is a different story. (a real gasket engineer would wet his > pants just looking at one) > These gaskets are embossed, and coated with an elastomer material for micro > seal of fluids, and are NOT REUSEABLE. They generally also require a very > smooth and flat surface, with very little variation. Old Rz and Ra surface > finish measurements are not sufficient for most MLS gaskets in use today. > On the up side, they work extremely well when all design requirements are > met, and provide less bore distortion than conventional solid core gaskets > with bore grommets, and wire ring inserts. I have been using high pressure > gas filled "O" rings for sealing combustion gasses on my boosted engines, > and if MLS gaskets were available I would not bothered. They are generally > speaking that good. > Recently the two layer gaskets are an effort at compromise in cost. Even > with the 3 layer, there were only two companies that truly had a handle on > design and development of this type of gasket. Within the Ford supply base, > Fel Pro, and Ishakawa, were the only ones, and of that the Japan supplier > did not have a US facility, nor would they commit. The design of the > combustion seal is critical. There are several approaches, and none are > necessarily wrong, just some better than others. For proper design intent, > look at the early ford part and proceed at your own risk. As we all know, > clamp load, and consistency of that load is also paramount, and I worry more > about that with the standard paper faced gasket more than the design. The > real advantage of MLS is that the Joint then becomes metal/metal, and there > is virtually no creep relaxation thus equal clamping load for the life of > the joint. Torquing to a predetermined point on a fasteners stress/strain > curve is possible, with predictable load, and life. I don't advocate torque > to yield for our racing applications, but we can know where we are and what > we are doing at this tenuous sealing joint. > Sorry if this sounds like a lecture. They used to call me professoria in > Brasil..... :=D > > Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 13:59:23 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:12:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets I'm gonna be gone for a couple of days. Daddy sitting. I will be home Friday morning. Lesson three then. I will share everything buddy..... Thats the only way that knowledge is useful! Rick Byrnes Professoria..... fala Portuguese? We have enough youth...........How about a fountain of smart www.rbmotorsports.com /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 14:06:13 2001 From: Dick J To: kturk@ala.net, Rick Byrnes , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:06:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Head Gaskets See Keith, that's what happens when you get some kinda engineer, a guy who makes fake rocks, and somebody who jumped out of airplanes for fifteen years before figuring out that they really weren't going to crash - - and you get them all trying to discuss one relatively simple, but somewhat technical subject. BREAKDOWN IN COMMUNICATIONS! DICK J TSK TSK TSK Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 14:18:35 2001 From: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:20:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Minumum Speed? NO!!!!!! Skip At 09:54 AM 3/14/01 , you wrote: >Just heard something else that might bring a few of you out of the >woodwork... > >What do you folks think about setting a Minimum speed on the Lakes? > >Just a curious question.... Would it help eleviate congestion or would it >make it an elitest Group? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 14:23:36 2001 From: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham To: Dick J , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:23:58 -0600 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Dick, I use solid copper and "O" ring the block. I can then vary (change gaskets) the gasket thickness to adjust compression and piston/valve/cylinder head clearance. Has worked well for me for a lot of years. Skip At 12:34 PM 3/14/01 , you wrote: >I opened up my Chubby Small Block last night and >found something I'm not used to. Every head >gasket I've ever seen on a modern V-8 has been a >composite type thing with crush rings around the >cylinders. What I found under these heads were >two thin (.030 - .040) sheets of metal, possibly >steel or stainless steel. I've seen copper head >gaskets for flatheads before, but have never run >across this type of steel shim gasket on an OHV >V-8. Ought to be good for a little compression >ratio boost, but what else should I know? They >apparently can be re-used since nothing happens >to them when they are installed? Do I use some >kind of goop or something when I put the heads >back on? Should I use standard torque specs? > >===== >Dick J >In East Texas >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 14:27:20 2001 From: Daniel Wright To: "Rick Byrnes" , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:27:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Rick Thanks for an excellent explanation of the subject. At 03:53 PM 3/14/01 -0500, Rick Byrnes wrote: >WOW >A subject in which I can contribute. >The cylinder head gaskets that Dick mentions, even though brand "X", are > Dan Wright It's amazing what you can do if you don't know it can't be done. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 14:46:19 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: jdincau@qnet.com, LGMCAFEE@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:45:12 EST Subject: Re: Titanium valves In a message dated 3/14/01 12:37:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, jdincau@qnet.com writes: << We run hardened steel lash caps over the ends of titanium valves. Jim >> Oh, That brings back memories of G.P.Bugatti restorations! Not mine, customers. Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 15:41:39 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Rick Byrnes'" , Keith Turk Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:40:25 -0700 Subject: RE: Head Gaskets Automotive tools redefined: AIR COMPRESSOR A machine that takes energy from a coal fired powerplant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to an impact wrench that grips rusty bolts last tightened 30 years ago by someone in Detroit and rounds them right off. BATTERY ELECTROLYTE TESTER A handy device for transferring sulfuric acid from a battery to the inside of your toolbox after verifying that your battery is deader than a doornail, just like you thought. BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR A tool that snaps off in bolt holes and is 10 times harder than any known drill. DRILL PRESS A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so it smacks you in the chest and flings your soda across the room, splattering it all over that great old poster you have hanging over the bench grinder. HACKSAW One of a family of cutting tools based on the Ouija Board Principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you try to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. HAMMER Originally used as a weapon of war, this device is now primarily used to locate expensive parts not far from the object we were trying to hit. MECHANIC'S KNIFE Generally used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard boxes delivered by UPS, works particularly well on boxes containing convertible tops or upholstery. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER Normally used for stabbing the lids of old style paper and tin oil cans, thereby splashing the contents on your favorite shirt. Can also be used to round off Phillips screw heads. PLIERS Used to round off bolt heads. SCREWDRIVER A devise used to open drink cans, can also serve as a chisel. Works well for removing the skin from the palm of your hand and making random gouges in other things. TIMING LIGHT A stroboscopic instrument for illuminating grease buildup on crankshaft pulleys. TROUBLE LIGHT The mechanic's own tanning booth. A good source of Vitamin D, the "sunshine vitamin," not normally found under cars at night. Health benefits aside, its main function is to consume 40 watt bulbs at the same rate as howitzer shells during the first few hours of the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark than light, the name is misleading. TWO-TON HYDRAULIC ENGINE HOIST A handy tool for testing the tensile strength of all those ground straps, wire harnesses and control cables you forgot to disconnect. VISE GRIPS Used to round off bolt heads when pliers just won't do the trick. Can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. WIRE WHEEL Cleans rust and corrosion off old bolts, them throws them somewhere under the work bench at the speed of light. Also good for removing fingerprints and hard-earned guitar calluses. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /// OK, now everyone who claims they haven't done at least one of these is lie'n!! Dale C. :D ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 17:32:02 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: rick@rbmotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes), land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:31:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Rick, thanks for those thoughts, I wish you would delve more deeply into this subject because the integrity of cylinder head joints, especially on high performance equipment, seems not to be a settled matter. "Torque to yield" seems like a curious concept, could you elaborate? On the surface it sounds like you are torquing a fastener until it gets to the stretch point, and a little more will break it. How does an aluminum head fit into this scenario, with all the casting expansion? What kind of head bolts are we talking about? Grade 8 bolts or ?? Who establishes the yield point for the fastener? I noted in the factory Service Manual Lincoln says if the cylinder head of my all-aluminum Mark VIII V-8 is removed, all the head bolts must be replaced with new. One use and they're through. Must have been "torqued to yield". Sounds expensive. The cylinder head joint of this high performance V-8 is a minor miracle to me anyhow, it has to have an infinite service life with NO oil, coolant or compression leaks, whether in the tropics or the arctic. 40 below zero in Minnesota to 110 in the shade in Florida. All that aluminum block and aluminum heads expanding and contracting with every stinkin' degree of temperature change. Not to mention the combustion chamber pressures (a lot there too, it's a heckuva engine). So please tell us more. Regards, Ardun Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 17:32:27 2001 From: "Chris R Harris" To: "Rick Byrnes" , "Dick J" Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:23:00 +1300 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Rick, pleased to hear we've got a gasket expert on the list. I'm right at that point now virtually with my engine. Its an iron block using Yates design alloy heads. Static compression is 15 to 1. Will top of the line Fel/Pro or similar gaskets be OK or will it need 'O' rings and annealed copper gaskets. Its a naturally aspirated gas engine. Anyone elses opinion also welcomed. Chris Harris. NZed. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 17:45:46 2001 From: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham To: "Clay, Dale" , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:46:58 -0600 Subject: Tools Hi Dale, Darn.....I thought I was the only one that knew about that stuff........after careful consideration, I have done most if not all!! Guilty as charged! Skip /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 17:53:35 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:45:42 -0500 Subject: Head gaskets I samorry earlier today I sent this link out to a few but forgot to add the list. This company here in the states specializes in custom gaskets. Some of which are multi-layered. Read an interesting article not to long ago about them. They have a good reputation in the performance world. http://www.cometic.com/ Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 18:30:36 2001 From: "Chris R Harris" To: "land-speed" Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:24:08 +1300 Subject: Unobtainium ! limited quantities available. List, while surfing the other day I found www.stardome.org.nz a local website that warned me of the imminent arrival of the aging Mir space station directly over my house on it fiery plunge into the Pacific east of New Zealand. My own calculations suggest a lower re-entry resulting in the Mir's 3rd retro carnooter valve snagging one of the large Norfolk pines in my back yard putting remains of the vehicle into the Pacific across the road from my house. I am therefore able to offer limited quantities of recoverable Russian unobtainium. Specifications include : High speed atmospheric heat treatment. Brine quench induced annealing. Garanteed free of all traces of foot & mouth. This material is apparently suitable for rust patch panels on the bottom of LSR cars. I'm unable to offer anything of an electronic nature as apparently the GPA (ground positioning abbacas) navigational system will be toast on re-entry. (Why else would the Russians have taken out a !/2 billion dollar liability insurance). Chris H..............NZed. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 18:40:00 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Chris R Harris" , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:31:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Unobtainium ! limited quantities available. Chris if you have to much free time on your hands, I know some East Coast guys that could use some help getting ready for Maxton this month. Bill Didn't forget that darn trailer this time! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 20:11:11 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: edvs@uswest.net, kturk@ala.net Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:10:08 EST Subject: Re: World Records Ed, But do those open road cars conform to the rule book. I think several people have cars that could go faster if the could just change something Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 20:16:31 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, lsr_man@yahoo.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:15:32 EST Subject: Re: Head Gaskets In a message dated 3/14/01 11:36:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, kturk@ala.net writes: << Head seal is an important issue .... we been running Felpro >> I have been using theese gaskets in my turbo motors for years, no problems. Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 20:22:49 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: yesford@clear.net.nz, rick@rbmotorsports.com, lsr_man@yahoo.com, Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:21:09 EST Subject: Re: Head Gaskets I have run that compression with those heads and run a Fel Pro #1021 gasket, no problems @ 700 hp. Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 20:48:07 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "Keith Turk" , , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:49:52 -0700 Subject: Re: World Records LONG > > > The Bottom line is do we need an organization which maintains these > records? > or do we just continue on as we have.... No and yes. That's just my opinion. Since I run a special construction category vehicle it doesn't really apply to me I guess. Nobody outside this group will recognize it anyway. Howard (the riot starter) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 14 23:17:26 2001 From: "Rick Yacoucci" To: "Bill & Dee Bennett" , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:32:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Head gaskets I have been using there 3 piece head gasket for about a year before that I had to modify the stock 3 piece gasket for the larger bores Turbo Rick http://www.turborick.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: Head gaskets > I samorry earlier today I sent this link out to a few but forgot to add the > list. This company here in the states specializes in custom gaskets. Some of > which are multi-layered. Read an interesting article not to long ago about > them. They have a good reputation in the performance world. > > http://www.cometic.com/ > > Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 01:16:22 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:13:05 -0600 Subject: DRLA RESULTS G'Day Guys, I've just finished posting the first update for the 2001 Lake Gairdner Speed Trials, you can check it out at http://www.geocities.com/dlra3/2001.htm NOTE: all reports and results are provisional until further notice. But the pictures and miles and miles of salt are all real!! Keep the shiny side up! ,-._|\ Greg Wapling / Oz \ DLRA WebMaster \_,--._/ Dry Lakes Racers Australia v 82 Industrial Drive, Braeside, Victoria 3195 Australia Phone (03) 9580 9809 Fax : 03 9580 9429 URL : http://www.vicnet.net.au/~dlra E-Mail : drylakesracersau@hotmail.com /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 02:34:10 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:32:12 -0000 Subject: head gaskets Hi all, sorry I can't match Ricks input, all I can offer is my own experiences with head gaskets, on my big block Chrysler (for drag racing)I use Clarke solid copper gaskets coated with a product called Torque Tite (made in the states) I also run stainless steel wire "o" rings in the heads (belt and braces!) I've never had any leaks either fluid or pressure even when "dumping" healthy amounts of nitrous in straight of the line, Felpro gaskets are great too but non reusable, my copper gaskets are 10 years old! and I'm about to put them back in. Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 02:34:10 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:21:10 -0000 Subject: tools Dale, this all sounds a bit too familiar, I've also used the battery tester to transfer acid to the front pocket of my jeans this wasn't an entirely pleasant sensation, probably my "best" workshop mishap was the dropping of an 8x4 sheet of steel (edge on) onto a live extension lead (240 volts over here!) that was the best firework show I'd seen in ages. Paul /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 05:14:21 2001 From: tim schoeny To: Tom Neimeyer <3cbxs@ev1.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 06:46:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Been running the FelPro Permatorque(? sp) gasket and ARP studs for three years with no problems.No sealers and no or very little surface clean up when removing head.The studs take it easy on the aluminum head(big washers) and provide nice even torque.I've checked torque several times after running and it stays right on. Tom Neimeyer wrote: > Keith, > Do you coat the head gaskets with anything? What about O-ringing? What > about everybody else? > > Regards, Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Turk" > To: "Dick J" ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: Head Gaskets > > > Dick we ran a .018 on the Cast Iron D motor in the beginning... then we > > realized we ain't drag racing....Head seal is an important issue .... we > > been running Felpro and Ferrera gaskets and both seem to be fine even with > > the extra Push they get from a bit of Nitrous.... > > > > Keith > > > > ---------- > > > From: Dick J > > > To: Keith Turk ; land-speed@autox.team.net > > > Subject: Head Gaskets > > > Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:34 PM > > > > > > I opened up my Chubby Small Block last night and > > > found something I'm not used to. Every head > > > gasket I've ever seen on a modern V-8 has been a > > > composite type thing with crush rings around the > > > cylinders. What I found under these heads were > > > two thin (.030 - .040) sheets of metal, possibly > > > steel or stainless steel. I've seen copper head > > > gaskets for flatheads before, but have never run > > > across this type of steel shim gasket on an OHV > > > V-8. Ought to be good for a little compression > > > ratio boost, but what else should I know? They > > > apparently can be re-used since nothing happens > > > to them when they are installed? Do I use some > > > kind of goop or something when I put the heads > > > back on? Should I use standard torque specs? > > > > > > ===== > > > Dick J > > > In East Texas > > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 05:22:09 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "tim schoeny" , "Tom Neimeyer" <3cbxs@ev1.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 06:18:49 -0600 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Hey Guys.... Rick's Dad isn't well and he is over with him for the next day or two.... he promised us another lesson in gaskets when he gets back.... I love it when we can tap into that kinda talent... Rick was a Ford engineer who specialized in gaskets.... amazing amount of information .... Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim schoeny" To: "Tom Neimeyer" <3cbxs@ev1.net> Cc: "Land Speed List" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 5:46 AM Subject: Re: Head Gaskets > Been running the FelPro Permatorque(? sp) gasket and ARP studs for three years > with no problems.No sealers and no or very little surface clean up when removing > head.The studs take it easy on the aluminum head(big washers) and provide nice > even torque.I've checked torque several times after running and it stays right > on. > > Tom Neimeyer wrote: > > > Keith, > > Do you coat the head gaskets with anything? What about O-ringing? What > > about everybody else? > > > > Regards, Tom > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Keith Turk" > > To: "Dick J" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:27 PM > > Subject: Re: Head Gaskets > > > > > Dick we ran a .018 on the Cast Iron D motor in the beginning... then we > > > realized we ain't drag racing....Head seal is an important issue .... we > > > been running Felpro and Ferrera gaskets and both seem to be fine even with > > > the extra Push they get from a bit of Nitrous.... > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > ---------- > > > > From: Dick J > > > > To: Keith Turk ; land-speed@autox.team.net > > > > Subject: Head Gaskets > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:34 PM > > > > > > > > I opened up my Chubby Small Block last night and > > > > found something I'm not used to. Every head > > > > gasket I've ever seen on a modern V-8 has been a > > > > composite type thing with crush rings around the > > > > cylinders. What I found under these heads were > > > > two thin (.030 - .040) sheets of metal, possibly > > > > steel or stainless steel. I've seen copper head > > > > gaskets for flatheads before, but have never run > > > > across this type of steel shim gasket on an OHV > > > > V-8. Ought to be good for a little compression > > > > ratio boost, but what else should I know? They > > > > apparently can be re-used since nothing happens > > > > to them when they are installed? Do I use some > > > > kind of goop or something when I put the heads > > > > back on? Should I use standard torque specs? > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > Dick J > > > > In East Texas > > > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 06:08:27 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: kturk@ala.net (Keith Turk), land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:08:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: DRLA RESULTS Thanks for the Lake Gairdner results Keith, VERY interesting. Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 07:13:39 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , tim schoeny , Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 06:13:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Head Gaskets This is a good example of how to keep this list alive and well. When I started this thread with the head gasket question, I figured it was a pretty dumb question and I was almost too embarrassed to ask it in public - - yet, look how it took off, and how many people have an interest in the subject. Guys, don't "lurk", if you have anything to say or ask, just step up to the plate and swing! Dick J --- Keith Turk wrote: > Hey Guys.... Rick's Dad isn't well and he is > over with him for the next day > or two.... he promised us another lesson in > gaskets when he gets back.... > > I love it when we can tap into that kinda > talent... Rick was a Ford > engineer who specialized in gaskets.... amazing > amount of information .... > > Keith Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 07:37:33 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Keith Turk'" , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:36:25 -0700 Subject: RE: DRLA RESULTS Thanks for the excellent report and the fine photos. Congrats to Doug & Gail. Hey, Greg, for you guys down under wouldn't that be shiny side down? Very clever map of Oz. Dale C. from "up over" Subject: DRLA RESULTS Keep the shiny side up! ,-._|\ Greg Wapling / Oz \ DLRA WebMaster \_,--._/ Dry Lakes Racers Australia v ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 09:31:18 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: , , , Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:30:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Minumum Speed? Guess I better get a bunch of dogs. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Minumum Speed? > Glen these guys are just joking. You will never will be replaced with a > computer! PS remember that deal we made I walked your dog and you gave me a > record. Those were the good old days! Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 10:05:10 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "glen barrett" , , Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:09:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Minimum Speed? I am going to provide Scotch..... Just makes more sense to me....not that walking a dog is out.... I am willing to do that to..... just depends on the size of the dog.... K ---------- > From: glen barrett > To: Nt788@aol.com; wspotter@jps.net; kturk@ala.net; land-speed@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: Minumum Speed? > Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:30 AM > > Guess I better get a bunch of dogs. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; ; > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:27 AM > Subject: Re: Minumum Speed? > > > > Glen these guys are just joking. You will never will be replaced with a > > computer! PS remember that deal we made I walked your dog and you gave me > a > > record. Those were the good old days! Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 10:45:38 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:44:09 -0800 Subject: minimum speed? Keith, Would you elaborate on your earlier post re: minimum speed. Thanks, Dan /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 10:49:58 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Dan Warner" , Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:54:00 -0600 Subject: Re: minimum speed? Sure Dan... it was mentioned to me that the Slowest cars were slowing down a meet..... and our Hero who was stating this wanted to have a Minimum speed set so that all cars had to run XXX speed to compete.... his comment was this IS land SPEED racing isn't it.... I didn't agree but I don't run there so I have no clue if there is any merit to his comment or not..... thought I would pitch the question out there on a slow morning to get some opinions.... Keith ---------- > From: Dan Warner > To: land-speed@autox.team.net > Subject: minimum speed? > Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:44 AM > > Keith, > > Would you elaborate on your earlier post re: minimum speed. > > Thanks, > > Dan /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 11:02:10 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:01:21 -0800 Subject: Re: minimum speed? I didn't agree but I don't run there so..... By there do you mean El Mirage? If so, there are established minimums for classes without existing records. By and large the minimums have proven to be somewhat realistic, for example Glen Necessary broke a record in D/BGMR last Nov. by less that 1 mph. The reason we have minimums at El Mirage is that the point system is based on your speed vrs. class record or minimum. If there were no minimums you could not compute the points. If you established a minimum speed of 150 mph for all entrants when do you tell someone they cannot run any more? A speed of 150 would certainly cut down on the number of entrants in the lower cubic inch classes or the "running for fun" guy who cannot make 150. Good for the fast guys but, who is going to pay the tab when your entry is down to about 30? Costs to put the meet on remain the same. Dan W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 12:32:55 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Keith Turk" Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:32:52 -0700 Subject: Re: minimum speed? I think "your hero" was out of line also. The short course (or El Mirage) can be cleared by even the slowest vehicle pretty quickly, and as we know, a 175 min. is in place for the long course. The only time I have gotten a little irratated was when somebody went 5 miles down course at 75 mph "shooting ducks" all the way, when they should have turned out. A little courtesy goes a long way...................... Ed Keith Turk wrote: > Sure Dan... it was mentioned to me that the Slowest cars were slowing down > a meet..... and our Hero who was stating this wanted to have a Minimum > speed set so that all cars had to run XXX speed to compete.... his comment > was this IS land SPEED racing isn't it.... > > I didn't agree but I don't run there so I have no clue if there is any > merit to his comment or not..... thought I would pitch the question out > there on a slow morning to get some opinions.... > > Keith > > ---------- > > From: Dan Warner > > To: land-speed@autox.team.net > > Subject: minimum speed? > > Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:44 AM > > > > Keith, > > > > Would you elaborate on your earlier post re: minimum speed. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dan /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 12:40:38 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:40:16 EST Subject: Re: minimum speed? Group, This thread reminds me of an incident about 10 years ago at World Of Speed. A couple of railbirds (namely a high-ranking NHRA official and a certain bespectacled writer) made some comments that later got into a national magazine regards the "slower cars". Seems they were both lamenting the number of these "slower than 200MPH" entries that, according to them, were benevolently allowed to run at WOS despite his stated opinion that the event was intended for the "faster" 200+ MPH cars. If the event promoters were to limit cars to a minimum speed, thus excluding a significant portion of the entries, the so-called "faster cars" would see their entry fees significantly inflated. If the "faster cars" want the course all to themselves let them rent it from the BLM and conduct a private or "by invitation only" meet. The biggest threats to LSR nowadays are: 1. over zealous environmentalists, 2. corporate entities that are raping the slat flats and not repleneshing what they take, and 3. a diminishing base of young up-and-coming competitors. We are all vigilant to protect the hobby from #1 and our Save the Salt has hopefully made lasting progress towards #2. #3, however, is the responsibility of all of us. Each racer, car or bike, must respect and honor the differences of choice that make some competitors choose Model "A" engines, some to choose 50cc motorcycles, some to choose Flatheads, some to choose electric vehicles, turbines, or steam power. Another racers choice of engine, fuel, and chassis class might not make any sense to us, but remember that our class probably doesn't make any sense to him either. If the guy in the 300-400MPH Liner can wait for my Vintage Engine Roadster to struggle down the course, then I can wait for the guy in the 50cc sidecar cyle to clear the course. Both Bonneville and El Mirage have procedures to expedite the flow of qualifying passes. Bonneville has the long-course and short-course format while El Mirage has the 200MPH line to get the faster cars on with their business. Finally, I can't remember many Bonneville events where there were significant waiting lines after the first 2-3 days. At El Mirage, wind and weather nonwithstanding there aren't many long lines when the meet is finally called to give the workers time to close the event before nightfall....................Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 13:33:16 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: , Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:31:22 EST Subject: Re: minimum speed? I've been to Bonneville Ed, From what I've seen I don't think there can be any ducks left in the state! KIDDING!! Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 13:36:44 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: , , <3cbxs@ev1.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:35:47 EST Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Keith, I've been using Fel-Pro 1003 gaskets on my turbo motors for years, no problems so far. Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 13:56:09 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: Flowbench@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:56:03 -0700 Subject: Re: minimum speed? I'm surprised the environmentalists haven't accused us of altering the migration routes............. Ed Flowbench@aol.com wrote: > I've been to Bonneville Ed, From what I've seen I don't think there can be any ducks left in the state! > > KIDDING!! Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 14:09:35 2001 From: "Chris R Harris" To: "land-speed" Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:02:41 +1300 Subject: Re: Head gaskets List, Here is a reply regarding my gasket inquiry from a professional engine builder not on our list. Chris H..........NZed > Hi Chris, > > You can run a Fel-Pro style gasket, but you don't have any room for > mistakes. > > 1.) Torque Heads w/ correct thread lube > 2.) Back off a quarter turn and re-torque > 3.) Re-torque after dyno (engine cold) > 4.) Run the best fuel you can buy > 5.) Be careful with the timing. > > The last two are going to be very important. If you rattle the motor, the > head gaskets are gone. > > Hope this helps. > > Good luck at the flats, Don /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 15:01:10 2001 From: Dick J To: Flowbench@aol.com, kturk@ala.net, tschoen@fuse.net, 3cbxs@ev1.net Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:00:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Results of my Head Gaskets Question After reading everybody's input on this, since I'm not running anything cosmic enough to need O-ringing and all, I think I'll settle on the good old, tried and proven Felpros. They seem to be the most successfull, common system in use. Thanks again, everybody for the help. I think I'm going to have to put "land-speed@autox.team.net" on the side of my car, because without it, I wouldn't have a car! Thanks Dick J Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 15:20:33 2001 From: Dick J To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:20:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Internet Hawg I was thinking about just how much help I have gotten from this list, and then I started to think about how much I tie up the cybernet space waves or whatever, and I started to feel guilty about maybe being an Internet Hawg. I checked the archives and I came up will over a thousand times. YIKES!! Then, just for grins, I ran Keith's name. HA! He came up over two thousand times. I don't feel so guilty now. Seriously though, I owe a real debt of gratitude to all of you guys for helping me get a car together and getting it on the track. Without ya'll, I'd still be waiting for the next issue of (whatever) to see if there was anything to read about Land Speed Racing. Thanks Dick J ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 15:26:08 2001 From: Dick J To: Wmtsmith@landracing.com Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:25:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Polymers? I remember way, way back when I used to be a fire fighter - you could flow 15% more wet water than plain water through the same lines with the same pump at the same pressure. Sounds like it's related to part of that principle. Maybe we ought to figure out how to get wet fuel. Dick j --- William T Smith wrote: > I had breakfast this morning with a Oil > Industry > Design hyd. eng.. He told me about how you can > get > more fluids to flow thru pipes and valves by > using co- > polymers and by putting magnetic particles and > inducing > an electricial field at the valve. Sorry guys, > he > didn,t have any suggestion on how that one > might induce > copolymers into an airstream or get the metal > out of > the intake air with the electrical current. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 15:34:12 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Dick J'" , Flowbench@aol.com, kturk@ala.net, Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:32:47 -0700 Subject: RE: Results of my Head Gaskets Question Subject: Results of my Head Gaskets Question Thanks again, everybody for the help. I think I'm going to have to put "land-speed@autox.team.net" on the side of my car, because without it, I wouldn't have a car! Thanks Dick J Yahoo! 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If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 15:35:34 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:35:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ardun Stud With 5/16 Extension Hi Folks, from your suggestions and input here's what I came up with to produce the stud, cheap, reasonably elegant, will work. ARP's longest 7/16 head stud, NC one end, NF the other, 7-3/8" overall. Stud installed with Blue Loctite for water seal, deck thickness on Flathead block, 9 NC threads. ARP 7/16 x 1/8 hardened washer, surface ground from 1/8 to 1/16 Grade 8 7/16 NF nut is 3/8" thick. Leaves 3 threads exposed on stud. Second 7/16 nut screwed onto exposed threads. Uses half the threads in the nut. Use Blue Loctite if you want, probably no need. 5/16" NF Grade 5 bolt, 2" long. Turn hex head to 7/16, thread NF, shorten bolt to 1-7/8" underhead length. Skim the letters off the bolt head if you like. Double-nut end of 5/16 bolt, install into top of top 7/16 nut with blue loctite to secure it. Presto, the 5/16 bolt now will serve to secure the rocker cover (two each as described, per head). Overall length of assembly, 9-1/2 inches. Not too ideal, nothing brilliant here, but we saved $990.00 per stud compared with getting ARP to make specials for us. Thanks to your suggestions. Cheers Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 15:41:24 2001 From: "Chris R Harris" To: "land-speed" , "Dick J" Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:35:00 +1300 Subject: Re: Holdon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick J" To: "Chris R Harris" Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:49 AM Subject: Holdon > Chris, > I've been watching some old speedvision re-runs > about building sedan (saloon) racers in England. > They imported Holdon motors from Aus to put into > those cars. I'm also on a Shelby Cobra list, and > they talk about Holdon motors all the time. Is > the Holdon the same as a Chev small block, or is > it something different? > > Thanks > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas Dick, The Holden is pure Australian only although some of its body styles are marketed under other GM names in the UK and South Africa. The engines until very recent times have been with little exception Australian designed and unique. Their first V8s were a 253, 2v and 308, 4v. They have a symetrical port layout contrary to the SBC. Their later upgrades have seen the 308 reduced in cubes to align with the more Internationally accepted 5 litre capacity. The top of the line V8 offered presently however is the new 2nd generation all alloy Chebbie and the 6 sp if required. There is a hugely popular touring car series in Australia that culminates in a 1000 kms race on the Bathurst road course which without doubt has to be the greatest circuit for 'door car' racing in the World. It ends up solely a Ford vs Holden competition with fans from both camps fanatically staunch who camp for days in the rural surroundings before the event. People have been known to stray into the wrong area manufacturor wise and............. well I'll leave that to your imagination. Holden lead Ford presently with a greater number of overall wins. Blower Drive Services in LA have a 308 Holden V8 in their reception area on a stand as an ID test for visitors I'm told. Chris H...........NZed. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 15:44:17 2001 From: Dick J To: Chris R Harris , Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:43:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Holdon Thanks, Chris. That was very enlightening. Dick J --- Chris R Harris wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick J" > To: "Chris R Harris" > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:49 AM > Subject: Holdon > > > > Chris, > > I've been watching some old speedvision > re-runs > > about building sedan (saloon) racers in > England. > > They imported Holdon motors from Aus to put > into > > those cars. I'm also on a Shelby Cobra list, > and > > they talk about Holdon motors all the time. > Is > > the Holdon the same as a Chev small block, or > is > > it something different? > > > > Thanks > > > > ===== > > Dick J > > In East Texas > > Dick, > The Holden is pure Australian only although > some of its body styles are > marketed under other GM names in the UK and > South Africa. The engines until > very recent times have been with little > exception Australian designed and > unique. Their first V8s were a 253, 2v and 308, > 4v. They have a symetrical > port layout contrary to the SBC. Their later > upgrades have seen the 308 > reduced in cubes to align with the more > Internationally accepted 5 litre > capacity. The top of the line V8 offered > presently however is the new 2nd > generation all alloy Chebbie and the 6 sp if > required. > > There is a hugely popular touring car series in > Australia that culminates in > a 1000 kms race on the Bathurst road course > which without doubt has to be > the greatest circuit for 'door car' racing in > the World. It ends up solely a > Ford vs Holden competition with fans from both > camps fanatically staunch who > camp for days in the rural surroundings before > the event. People have been > known to stray into the wrong area manufacturor > wise and............. well > I'll leave that to your imagination. Holden > lead Ford presently with a > greater number of overall wins. > > Blower Drive Services in LA have a 308 Holden > V8 in their reception area on > a stand as an ID test for visitors I'm told. > > Chris H...........NZed. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 16:02:42 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'ARDUNDOUG@aol.com'" , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:01:45 -0700 Subject: RE: minimum speed? List, Being a newbie, I probably don't have a complete perspective on this, but maybe the newbies perspective is important in this discussion too. First let me say its been encouraging to see some of the established stars coming to the defense of the other competitors, thank you. Being a newbie I'm sure I'll fall into the "slow guy" class for sometime, I certainly couldn't run 2+ with my configuration. If that first step is too tall new people will simply not be able to even attempt this. Some of you guys already know the blood, sweat & tears required to go 2+, imagine trying to overcome that the very first time you even tried. Not everyone has the time, resources or even the desire to get to that level. I dream about a red hat, but if it ever happens it will be a long way off. Some of those guys (& gals)in the "slower" classes have made heroic efforts to get where they are. Are you going to say to all those "slower" record holders their accomplishments no longer matter? I think the diversity in this form of racing is one of the major attractions. Remember, this is all supposed to be for fun! >From what I'm able to gather from this discussion the biggest problem is the dust on the lake beds when its calm, I guess everyone suffers there. For the other venues, surely some accommodation can be worked out. Perhaps staging lanes like they have in drag racing, graded by speed classifications? Once several of the fast guys were ready, let them go. I'll be on the short course for a while, but if I was on the long course I wouldn't mind waiting for a fast streamliner to go ahead of me. What Ed said about courtesy could go a long way too. Please don't send us slower guys home. Dale C. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////// Subject: Re: minimum speed? The biggest threats to LSR nowadays are: 1. over zealous environmentalists, 2. corporate entities that are raping the slat flats and not repleneshing what they take, and 3. a diminishing base of young up-and-coming competitors. ....................Ardun Doug King ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 16:17:40 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "landspeed@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:16:23 -0800 Subject: Carbon X In the past there has been some questions etc. regarding Carbon X fire suits. The following Ad was in National Dragster today. They are located at the following address. Chapman Thermal Products Dept.ND 2261 South 1560, West Woods Cross Utah 84087 801-292-3909, Fax 292-3701 web-site www.chapmanthermalproducts.com This is supposed to be better then any product as far as fire suits on the current market. Should be worth looking into guys. Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 16:25:34 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Clay, Dale" , , Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:24:12 -0800 Subject: Re: minimum speed? Dale SCTA or BNI will never say go away to the little guy or slower vehicles. We started there and will always continue to support them. There are many racers happy as a pig in mud running the slower classes.It is there goal to do as much as they can with small motored vehicles. For some it's a starting place,for others their attitude is I am doing it, what are you doing,setting at home wishing. We and USFRA know where they are coming from and we know we need them, they are the future. Glen (my clocks go from zero to way out there) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay, Dale" To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: RE: minimum speed? > List, > > Being a newbie, I probably don't have a complete perspective on this, but > maybe the newbies perspective is important in this discussion too. First > let me say its been encouraging to see some of the established stars coming > to the defense of the other competitors, thank you. > > Being a newbie I'm sure I'll fall into the "slow guy" class for sometime, I > certainly couldn't run 2+ with my configuration. If that first step is too > tall new people will simply not be able to even attempt this. Some of you > guys already know the blood, sweat & tears required to go 2+, imagine trying > to overcome that the very first time you even tried. Not everyone has the > time, resources or even the desire to get to that level. I dream about a > red hat, but if it ever happens it will be a long way off. > > Some of those guys (& gals)in the "slower" classes have made heroic efforts > to get where they are. Are you going to say to all those "slower" record > holders their accomplishments no longer matter? I think the diversity in > this form of racing is one of the major attractions. Remember, this is all > supposed to be for fun! > > >From what I'm able to gather from this discussion the biggest problem is the > dust on the lake beds when its calm, I guess everyone suffers there. For > the other venues, surely some accommodation can be worked out. Perhaps > staging lanes like they have in drag racing, graded by speed > classifications? Once several of the fast guys were ready, let them go. > I'll be on the short course for a while, but if I was on the long course I > wouldn't mind waiting for a fast streamliner to go ahead of me. > > What Ed said about courtesy could go a long way too. Please don't send us > slower guys home. > > Dale C. > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > /////// > Subject: Re: minimum speed? > > > > The biggest threats to LSR nowadays are: 1. over zealous > environmentalists, 2. corporate entities that are raping the slat flats and > not repleneshing what they take, and 3. a diminishing base of young > up-and-coming competitors. > ....................Ardun Doug King > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient or employees of > MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 16:33:41 2001 From: Kris Wright To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:40:34 -0700 Subject: Re: minimum speed? Ardun Doug, You said it well and I thoroughly agree. I feel like adding some of my own thoughts, since I've been lurking for at least two months: The variety of cars, speeds and especially some of the "why didn't I think of that" innovations or the "that's a really wierd design but it works" contraptions incorporated in these different vehicles is what attracted Dan & I to the great sport of LandSpeed Racing. We helped WOS Pres Gary Allen crew at last year's Speedweek. Yeah, it was hot, yeah, it was the second day and the line was long and slow. But the experiences I had in that two hour wait will be forever remembered. Like realizing we were right behind those Maxton - East Coast Timing guys and getting to finally meet them after many emails. Like the nice nap I had on Gary's cool van floor. Like drinking most of Gary's Gateraid and thankful for every sip. Like the excitement of finally getting to the starting line and helping him strap in, roll up windows, etc. Like chasing after him in his Speedy van, trying to video his whole run. I could go on and on, cause he got into impound on that run, even tho the guy with the tubo got the record. Dan & I were privileged and thrilled to watch as Ardun Doug King got his 200 mph hat right there on the salt. The point of this long-winded testimonial is that the variety of the cars is what makes LandSpeed Racing. How else can we get to know such a variety of people and have the variety of experiences? Let them all come, pay their fees and experience it with their own type of vehicle. Kris Wright USFRA advertising and registration and sometimes Office Manager Cimarron Software, Inc. The Laboratory and Workflow Analysis Company ARDUNDOUG@aol.com wrote: > Group, > This thread reminds me of an incident about 10 years ago at World Of > Speed. A couple of railbirds (namely a high-ranking NHRA official and a > certain bespectacled writer) made some comments that later got into a > national magazine regards the "slower cars". Seems they were both lamenting > the number of these "slower than 200MPH" entries that, according to them, > were benevolently allowed to run at WOS despite his stated opinion that the > event was intended for the "faster" 200+ MPH cars. > If the event promoters were to limit cars to a minimum speed, thus > excluding a significant portion of the entries, the so-called "faster cars" > would see their entry fees significantly inflated. If the "faster cars" want > the course all to themselves let them rent it from the BLM and conduct a > private or "by invitation only" meet. > The biggest threats to LSR nowadays are: 1. over zealous > environmentalists, 2. corporate entities that are raping the slat flats and > not repleneshing what they take, and 3. a diminishing base of young > up-and-coming competitors. > We are all vigilant to protect the hobby from #1 and our Save the Salt > has hopefully made lasting progress towards #2. #3, however, is the > responsibility of all of us. Each racer, car or bike, must respect and honor > the differences of choice that make some competitors choose Model "A" > engines, some to choose 50cc motorcycles, some to choose Flatheads, some to > choose electric vehicles, turbines, or steam power. Another racers choice of > engine, fuel, and chassis class might not make any sense to us, but remember > that our class probably doesn't make any sense to him either. If the guy in > the 300-400MPH Liner can wait for my Vintage Engine Roadster to struggle down > the course, then I can wait for the guy in the 50cc sidecar cyle to clear the > course. > Both Bonneville and El Mirage have procedures to expedite the flow of > qualifying passes. Bonneville has the long-course and short-course format > while El Mirage has the 200MPH line to get the faster cars on with their > business. > Finally, I can't remember many Bonneville events where there were > significant waiting lines after the first 2-3 days. At El Mirage, wind and > weather nonwithstanding there aren't many long lines when the meet is finally > called to give the workers time to close the event before > nightfall....................Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 18:52:43 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:54:26 -0700 Subject: Minimum speed List, It seems that too many people take our sport too seriously anymore. I guess it's hard not to be serious about something you can get killed doing but some people come to the meets trying to achieve a personal best without regard to what the record is. I think they deserve to be allowed to run just like everyone else. They have fun, share stories, and like was said, help cover the expenses. I have been accused of being too serious and probably correctly in many cases, but I also just love to go fast in an organized environment with all the proper safety protection standing by. Howard /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 19:17:55 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:17:05 EST Subject: Re: minimum speed? Dale, it takes everyone to make what we do fun. If someone goes home because he or she is to slow we have nothing in the end. We all had to start some place. Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 19:20:45 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: speedtimer@charter.net, Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:20:13 EST Subject: Re: minimum speed? In a message dated 3/15/01 3:27:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, speedtimer@charter.net writes: << Glen (my clocks go from zero to way out there) >> Glen , I remember getting a time slip from way out ther, 286,000. mph! We just needed a little more room to back it up! Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 19:33:21 2001 From: Skip Higginbotham To: "Nafzger" , Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:35:05 -0600 Subject: Re: Minimum speed Thank you Howard, I tried to say the same basic thing to one our list members but you said it much more elequently. If one achieves his/her personal best....sometimes the "record" comes along with it.....added fun. Skip At 07:54 PM 3/15/01 , you wrote: >List, > It seems that too many people take our sport too seriously anymore. I >guess it's hard not to be serious about something you can get killed doing >but some people come to the meets trying to achieve a personal best without >regard to what the record is. > I think they deserve to be allowed to run just like everyone else. They >have fun, share stories, and like was said, help cover the expenses. > I have been accused of being too serious and probably correctly in many >cases, but I also just love to go fast in an organized environment with all >the proper safety protection standing by. > >Howard /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 19:57:58 2001 From: Joe Amo To: Skip Higginbotham Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 03:52:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Minimum speed There are plenty of other organizations that have the "minumum speed (read money)" rule NHRA or Winston Cup its open to "anyone" They are fun to watch and keep up with, but we have had a darn tough time, (my 5 year old an I), getting our vehicle qualified in one of those venues Skip Higginbotham wrote: > Thank you Howard, I tried to say the same basic thing to one our list > members but you said it much more elequently. > If one achieves his/her personal best....sometimes the "record" comes along > with it.....added fun. > Skip > > At 07:54 PM 3/15/01 , you wrote: > >List, > > It seems that too many people take our sport too seriously anymore. I > >guess it's hard not to be serious about something you can get killed doing > >but some people come to the meets trying to achieve a personal best without > >regard to what the record is. > > I think they deserve to be allowed to run just like everyone else. They > >have fun, share stories, and like was said, help cover the expenses. > > I have been accused of being too serious and probably correctly in many > >cases, but I also just love to go fast in an organized environment with all > >the proper safety protection standing by. > > > >Howard /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 15 21:34:18 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Dick J" , "Chris R Harris" Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:26:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Holdon Dick and Cris check out www.LS1.com they have a complete forum on there that includes Holdens. The new genaration Holdens use the same engine family as the 4th generation GM F Bodies. What alot of people refer to as an LS1 is not just based on the same design. Camaros, Firebirds, and Corvettes have an all aluminum 5.7 liter motor 325 hp. This is the true LS1. The 2000 and up Chevrolet trucks have a cast iron block version based on 4.8, 5.3, 6.0, and 7.4 liters. These are some of the stoutest motors GM has brought out since the muscle car era. For a better description of these motors check out www.gmpowertrain.com . The LS1 is listed as an other motor that is how special it is. Too bad they won't manufacture or import the Holden here in the states. This 4 door sedan is a great grocery getter with 320 to 335 hp and a 6 speed. Bill I know Corvette fans I left out the LS6 version, but that is another creature reserved only for the Corvettes. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 04:24:01 2001 From: brian falkner To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:18:23 +1300 Subject: RE: Holden Being a dyed in the wool Ford guy I love to relate this story. When I was a lad working as an apprentice with Dad..so this would be about 1962 or 3... we used to spraypaint cars for clients as well as mechanical repairs etc. We had a Lady client who was a friend & a fiddler in Dads Country & Western Band, "Red Falkner & The Blue Canyon Boys"...there aint no blue canyons anyplace round here but who gave a sh......anyhow She had a 1958 Holden in black that needed a repaint. When refitting all the exterior trim etc Dad noticed that the bonnet [hood] badge lettering was interchangeable... so HOLDEN became HELDON.....6 months pass then one day Lorna comes in looking for trouble, bawls us out for switching the letters & we better put them back pronto!...this became my job along with the service at the same time. Well, I couldnt just let it go at that when I discovered a more appropriate name for her pride & joy plus a sly reference to her good self. ...OLDHEN...looked real good!. It was at least another 3 months before she came storming back in mock anger greeted by cacaphonious laughter. Brian NZ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 06:43:25 2001 From: john robinson To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:43:09 -0600 Subject: Re: minimum speed? "glen barrett" Subject: Re: minimum speed? Howdy, I don't see that it is a slower class, try running a little engine to max effort, it may be slow to you big guys running 2-300, but some of the H,I,J,K cars are REALLY going FAST! It's all relative....unless you're wearing purple.... --Original Message-- At 05:24 PM 3/15/01, you wrote: Dale SCTA or BNI will never say go away to the little guy or slower vehicles. We started there and will always continue to support them. There are many racers happy as a pig in mud running the slower classes.It is there goal to do as much as they can with small motored vehicles. For some it's a starting place,for others their attitude is I am doing it, what are you doing,setting at home wishing. We and USFRA know where they are coming from and we know we need them, they are the future. Glen (my clocks go from zero to way out there) John Robinson, Mechanician Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin 1513 University Ave. Madison, Wi. 53706 608-262-3606 FAX 608-265-2316 Current World Land Speed Record Holder Bonneville Salt Flats H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt 131.333 MPH set 1995 136.666 MPH set 1996 140.292 MPH set 2000 144.396 MPH set 2000 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 08:40:45 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "brian falkner" , Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:39:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Holden Brian Great story,Just what I needed to start Friday morning with. Glen ( in Southern California) ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian falkner" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:18 AM Subject: RE: Holden > Being a dyed in the wool Ford guy I love to relate this story. > > When I was a lad working as an apprentice with Dad..so this would be about > 1962 or 3... we used to spraypaint cars for clients as well as mechanical > repairs etc. > We had a Lady client who was a friend & a fiddler in Dads Country & Western > Band, "Red Falkner & The Blue Canyon Boys"...there aint no blue canyons > anyplace round here but who gave a sh......anyhow She had a 1958 Holden in > black that needed a repaint. > When refitting all the exterior trim etc Dad noticed that the bonnet > [hood] badge lettering was interchangeable... > so HOLDEN became HELDON.....6 months pass then one day Lorna comes in > looking for trouble, bawls us out for switching the letters & we better put > them back pronto!...this became my job along with the service at the same > time. > > Well, I couldnt just let it go at that when I discovered a more appropriate > name for her pride & joy plus a sly reference to her good self. > ...OLDHEN...looked real good!. It was at least another 3 months before she > came storming back in mock anger greeted by cacaphonious laughter. > > Brian NZ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 09:55:04 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, dwarner@electrorent.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:53:19 EST Subject: Re: minimum speed? It better get some comments! Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 10:04:35 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:03:58 EST Subject: Re: minimum speed? Staging is just fine the way it is, especialy with ----- in charge! Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 11:04:03 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "tim schoeny" , "Tom Neimeyer" <3cbxs@ev1.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:32:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Greetings friends Well I'm back home for a while. As a short explanation, Glenys and I returned from a short vacation to find my mother having had a massive stroke. My dad is way into the 3rd phase of Alzheimers and cannot be left alone. My siblings and I are of course doing everything we need to do to take care of them. With both in their late 80's the end is near. It seems that we are at that point in our lives, but it certainly has been a good run..... Now on to the gasket stuff.... Tim replied > Been running the FelPro Permatorque(? sp) gasket and ARP studs for three years > with no problems.No sealers and no or very little surface clean up when removing Tims answer is pretty representative of what many of us have experienced. The Fel Pro wire ring (1000 series) provide a great unit load and the ARP studs are also what I have been using. Studs/torque values and clamp load are paramount to good sealing. The gasket numbers Mike makes refrence to are also both wire ring, meaning that there is a pre flattened wire ring inside the fire ring (armour) to provide a very high unit load for combustion seal. Many of us have used these gaskets without other aids with lots of success. If power approaches 150 hp per bore we typically reinforce the amour with music wire embeded in the deck. A groove is cut to provide for about .005" of wire to protrude just outboard of the armour that supports and adds to the "hoop" strength. At levels of 200 HP per bore the sealing requirements are substantially higher and require something like the "Coopers" ring or gas filled "O" rings. I will discuss those in a separate note because many of us are approaching those figures. Since I had a couple of notes about torque to yield, I'll address that in a separate note. So, the bottom line is the Fel Pro wire ring gaskets, with no coating and good studs and nuts, torqued with appropriate lube, do the job quite nicely. Of course there are still a lot of racers using copper, and as reported, it works. More notes later. Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 12:10:28 2001 From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:09:14 EST Subject: SPEEDY THINKING ( Speed Related Humor ) Subj: JOKE FOR THE DAY!! Date: 3/15/01 6:54:59 PM Pacific Standard Time From: ohc6@pnnw.net (Judy Rogers) To: FastmetalBDF@aol.com (FastmetalBDF@aol.com) Joke of the Day: > A fellow bought a new Mercedes and was out on the interstate for a nice > evening drive. The top was down, the breeze was blowing through what was > left of his hair and he decided to open her up. As the needle jumped up to > 80 mph, he suddenly saw flashing red and blue lights behind him. "There's > no way they can catch a Mercedes," he thought to himself and opened her up > further. The needle hit 90, 100.... Then the reality of the situation hit > him. "What am I doing?" he thought and pulled over. The cop came up to > him, took his license without a word and examined it and the car. "It's > been a long day, this is the end of my shift and it's Friday the 13th. I > don't feel like more paperwork, so if you can give me an excuse for your > driving that I haven't heard before, you can go." > The guy thinks for a second and says, "Last week my wife ran off with a > cop. I was afraid you were trying to give her back!" > "Have a nice weekend," said the officer. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 12:23:38 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Rick Byrnes'" , tim schoeny Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:22:36 -0700 Subject: RE: Head Gaskets Thanks, Rick. Our prayers are with you and yours. Dale C. Subject: Re: Head Gaskets ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 14:27:08 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:26:38 -0000 Subject: crankshafts. List, I've just taken the crankshaft out of my big block Chrysler engine, I'm using the Mopar forged steel piece, I realise it's a strong piece of equipment, but to my mind the finish leaves a little to be desired, there are several forging marks and rough edges, now I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time) but whouldn't it be better to grind of these flaws and polish them up? I'm thinking this might reduce windage and so increse h.p., are smoother crankshaft webs better? have any of you addressed this problem with mopar or other makes, Help! Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 18:28:43 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "Dick J" , , , Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:41:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Results of my Head Gaskets Question Earlier someone asked about deformation of an aluminum head with the "wire ring" Fel Pro gaskets. That is the down side. If the gasket has a steel wire encapsulated there is a little brinnelling and I find it necessary to remove .003 to .005 for a perfect surface each season on my aluminum head. I have never tried to not do that. My little 4 banger is at 17:1 and I take no chances. I'm also real carefull for detonation. (I do like that ERC rocket fuel) Fel Pro also has the same type of gasket with a copper wire that provides no brinnelling but also less unit load for sealing. We make our choice and takes our chances. And NO, guys, I don't miss work a bit. Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 19:20:23 2001 From: webmaster@landracing.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:20:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: New on the album: Jerry\'s Roadster Please visit the album on http://www.landracing.com to see the new addition: Jerry\'s Roadster. Thank you. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 19:49:09 2001 From: "\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth" To: "Landspeed" Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:01:37 -0800 Subject: St. Paddy's remembrance Just in time for the festivities, a thought from my Irish/British hubby . . . Two Irishmen, Patrick & Michael, were adrift in a lifeboat following a dramatic escape from a burning freighter. While rummaging through the boat's provisions, Patrick stumbled across an old lamp. Secretly hoping that a genie would appear, he rubbed the lamp vigorously. To the amazement of Patrick, a genie came forth. This particular genie, however, stated that he could only deliver one wish, not the standard three. Without giving much thought to the matter, Patrick blurted out, "Make the entire ocean into Guinness!" The genie clapped his hands, and with a deafening crash, immediately the entire sea turned into the finest brew ever sampled by mortals. Simultaneously, the genie vanished. Only the gentle lapping of Guinness on the hull broke the stillness as the two men considered their circumstances. Michael looked disgustedly at Patrick whose wish had been granted. After a long, tension-filled moment, he spoke: "Nice going Patrick! Now we're going to have to pee in the boat." /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 21:07:58 2001 From: Joe Amo To: Rick Byrnes Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:03:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Results of my Head Gaskets Question Which one do you consider rocket fuel ? Rick Byrnes wrote: > Earlier someone asked about deformation of an aluminum head with the "wire > ring" Fel Pro gaskets. That is the down side. If the gasket has a steel > wire encapsulated there is a little brinnelling and I find it necessary to > remove .003 to .005 for a perfect surface each season on my aluminum head. > I have never tried to not do that. My little 4 banger is at 17:1 and I take > no chances. I'm also real carefull for detonation. (I do like that ERC > rocket fuel) > Fel Pro also has the same type of gasket with a copper wire that provides no > brinnelling but also less unit load for sealing. We make our choice and > takes our chances. > And NO, guys, I don't miss work a bit. > > Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 21:30:43 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:27:13 -0600 Subject: Minimums and Mail Well that seemed to do the trick.... got home from a two day trip and had a bazillion e-mails on why we should always let everyone run.... Sure glad that wasn't my comment.... I might mention the negative reaction to the fella thou.... As for 2000+ E mails Dick..... dahhh If you folks would come up with this stuff more often I wouldn't have to dream up stuff to talk about.... WHICH WOULD BE VERY COOL.... cause I am running out.... LOL ahhh RIGHT..... Just Everyone needs to JOIN in.... ah just gotta be part of it.... don't sit there and READ... Ask a Silly question.... Brad and I can come up with 5 questions within as many minutes just looking up ONE rule.... Ain't no one here going to bite.... I promise....( well almost no one ) Enjoy Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 21:38:20 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: , Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:34:52 -0600 Subject: Ardun Doug King Exceptionally well said Doug.... Enjoyed reading it.... and all the others comments.... to include Kris's.... Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: minimum speed? > Group, > This thread reminds me of an incident about 10 years ago at World Of > Speed. A couple of railbirds (namely a high-ranking NHRA official and a > certain bespectacled writer) made some comments that later got into a > national magazine regards the "slower cars". Seems they were both lamenting > the number of these "slower than 200MPH" entries that, according to them, > were benevolently allowed to run at WOS despite his stated opinion that the > event was intended for the "faster" 200+ MPH cars. > If the event promoters were to limit cars to a minimum speed, thus > excluding a significant portion of the entries, the so-called "faster cars" > would see their entry fees significantly inflated. If the "faster cars" want > the course all to themselves let them rent it from the BLM and conduct a > private or "by invitation only" meet. > The biggest threats to LSR nowadays are: 1. over zealous > environmentalists, 2. corporate entities that are raping the slat flats and > not repleneshing what they take, and 3. a diminishing base of young > up-and-coming competitors. > We are all vigilant to protect the hobby from #1 and our Save the Salt > has hopefully made lasting progress towards #2. #3, however, is the > responsibility of all of us. Each racer, car or bike, must respect and honor > the differences of choice that make some competitors choose Model "A" > engines, some to choose 50cc motorcycles, some to choose Flatheads, some to > choose electric vehicles, turbines, or steam power. Another racers choice of > engine, fuel, and chassis class might not make any sense to us, but remember > that our class probably doesn't make any sense to him either. If the guy in > the 300-400MPH Liner can wait for my Vintage Engine Roadster to struggle down > the course, then I can wait for the guy in the 50cc sidecar cyle to clear the > course. > Both Bonneville and El Mirage have procedures to expedite the flow of > qualifying passes. Bonneville has the long-course and short-course format > while El Mirage has the 200MPH line to get the faster cars on with their > business. > Finally, I can't remember many Bonneville events where there were > significant waiting lines after the first 2-3 days. At El Mirage, wind and > weather nonwithstanding there aren't many long lines when the meet is finally > called to give the workers time to close the event before > nightfall....................Ardun Doug King > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 22:47:20 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:46:23 EST Subject: First T Shirt Day In Connecticut Today was the frist day in 2001 that was warm enough to block sand a '29 Ford cowl section in the backyard, and reprime it. Strange to be standing on snow doing long awaited body work. Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 16 23:13:47 2001 From: "Jeremy & MeShawn Fowler" To: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:09:52 -0800 Subject: TEST [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of MeShawn Fowler.vcf] /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 06:40:22 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "Joe Amo" Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:53:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Results of my Head Gaskets Question > Which one do you consider rocket fuel ? A 18 C is the fuel I used in the N/A 3.0Litre motor, and A 8 C in the 2.5Litre turbo engine. I have seen no (knock on wood) evidence of detonation with my rather conservative approach to spark lead. We will be looking for a bit more lead this year, to cool things off a little. The new data logger will help a bunch too. The pilot just doesn't remember enough.....and EGT on each cylinder will certainly tell us a lot.... Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 07:06:12 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:05:22 EST Subject: Modified Sports-------Modified wheelbase I'm still in the early planning stages of a LSR car, and have a wheelbase question. The rules say you can modify the wheelbase up to 130 inches, I understand that this makes things more stable, at what point do you deside what is right? For example, a 1932 Ford roadster has been going well over 200MPH for years now. If you stretched the chass is to 130 WB would it go any faster? I'd like to hear from those that have been there and done that. I'll admit that aesthetics is the main reason for asking this question. Bob in snow covered Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 07:12:26 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:25:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Hi Mike Metallic "O" rings are not new, they just seem like a closely guarded secret. Made from .062" dia, .010" wall Inconnel X 750 tubing, formed into a hoop and then welded and ground at the weld. During the manufacturing process they fill with a high pressure gas Nitrogen I think. A company called Helico Flex, in S. C. produces them in lots of sizes, but actually makes them to my (or your) specification. They are expensive. When ordering 25 or more the price is/was $24 each. These type of parts are used to seal very high pressure steam at Nuclear plants and are very well engineered. The O ring sets in a step in the bore rather than a groove. With big bores there just isn't room so a counterbore does just fine. The logic, behind the design is the metal O ring provides a very high unit load to seal high pressure combustion gas, and as temperatures increase and the properties of the metal decline, the high pressure gas has expanded and supports the original sealing (unit load). They work well, and of course provide a metal/metal clamping joint that is much more stable than the typical gasketed joint. If you flow water and oil thru this joint you still need elastomer O rings at each location. If anyone is interested in specifics, I can take some photos and post. (Glenys just got a new digital camera). Even for us crazys, most of us don't need this kind of approach to sealing. Roush used this in the 2.5L GTO motors they used in the 80's and never had a problem. What was interesting about that program is they never had any type of engine failure in public. Except one pilot burning down one engine when he lost coolant after a shunt. He didn't DNF though.... I was very fortunate that late in the program Lee White, then the manager of the GTO program shared some of the non propriority items with me. I'm not too proud to copy.....especially the good ones..... /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 07:57:46 2001 From: "Doug Anderson" To: land-speed@autox.team.net, Want1937hd@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:57:29 -0000 Subject: Re: Modified Sports-------Modified wheelbase Bobby, Bobby,......shame on you, -bein' th' Hawt Rodder as you are; why would annyone who appreciates the beauty (-and TRADITION ) of a Deuce, want to screw it all up by stretchin' the wheelbase ? LOL While stretchin' may not make MORE speed,it sure as 'ell might let you stay onnit longer 'cause she don't feel so much like swappin' ends on ya'...... LOL -but you already knew dat ,ya' silly booger. cheers to ya, -Dirty Doug in New Yawk -where it snowed AGAIN last nite :( xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-To: Want1937hd@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Subject: Modified Sports I'm still in the early planning stages of a LSR car, and have a wheelbase question. The rules say you can modify the wheelbase up to 130 inches, I understand that this makes things more stable, at what point do you deside what is right? For example, a 1932 Ford roadster has been going well over 200MPH for years now. If you stretched the chass is to 130 WB would it go any faster? I'd like to hear from those that have been there and done that. I'll admit that aesthetics is the main reason for asking this question. Bob in snow covered Connecticut _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 09:02:04 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:01:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Head Gaskets and "Fraud" Hi Folks, enjoying Rick's notes on head gaskets. Skimming our Ardun heads .003/.005 every year is not an option for obvious reasons, Zora only approved .020 total for clean-up and the less we do that the better. Fortunately we are not facing 150/200 horse per cylinder either, if we ever get up to 50 we have a stormin' engine with "that sound". Just for curiosity, I looked up the clamping load of just one 7/16 ARP stud with molygrease and 60 foot lbs torque. It would be right around 14,000 lbs (ARP catalog). Since the Ardun uses 20 studs, the total clamping force twixt head and Flathead block would be 280,000 lbs. I imagine this would not be perfectly uniformly distributed, but rather more around the stud points, since both the head and block would give way a little under these forces, away from the stud points. So there is a lot of strength left in our antique Flathead blocks, with good old Ford iron in 'em. If we use a flat dead-soft copper gasket this is the kind of pressure we have to seal the water holes, assuming no low spots on head or block. In practice, water leaks are not unknown, and the "Bars Leak" type of sealer is the first resort. I gather the NHRA Top Fuelers all use the flat copper gasket, probably no sealer needed or wanted, under hydraulicing or bad detonation conditions the gasket blows sideways, they have no water to contend with, and they like the feature of adjusting compression ratio with various gasket thicknesses. I imagine they use no wire o-ring, but probably have 1/2 or 9/16 studs on those monsters. Maybe someone knows. I like Rick's moniker or nickname for a famous auto maker, "Fraud", it reminds me of a quotation from Anthony Trollope, Victorian English novelist whose main subject was the life of the aristocracy, which went something like "Lady X had only a vague idea of the distinction between commerce and fraud." Cheers from Ardun Bill in the Great Dismal Swamp, Chesapeake, VA, where Spring has sprung. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 09:20:17 2001 From: "Bryan A. Savage Jr" To: List Land Speed Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:20:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Results of my Head Gaskets Question I agree Rick, that A8 is great stuff. I had to try real hard to get A8A to detonate. I finally succeeded when (due to ignorance) I screwed the waste gate closed. It was a return run on 8-23-89 (everything was real warm from the down run about 90 minutes earlier), the engine was a Kawasaki 1000 with a basic draw through Rajay into a log intake W/O cooler. It had 7.8 CR, 35 advance and ran fine until just past the 2 in 6th gear. 3 & 4 piston got hurt. Planned boost was 25 which I believed was on the edge, 24 was working good, but it went to 28 which was too much even for ERC's stuff. The pressure of those immediate return runs can fog minds. I'm looking forward to the current system which will give me more time to think/reason through things and hopefully reduce my mistakes. Bryan Savage /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 09:57:09 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: , , Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:03:21 -0600 Subject: Re: Modified Sports-------Modified wheelbase Bob, the roadster rules are different from the Modified sports. The total car legnth on 28-32 cars is 143", and for 33-34 cars it's 152". The rear tires cannot stick out more than 1" past the rear of the body. I don't believe the 130" modified sport wheel base would work with this configuration. I haven't been out to the garage yet today, but I believe my roadster will have a 117" wheel base, and we've got her stretched out to the max. Jerry in Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 8:05 AM Subject: Modified Sports-------Modified wheelbase > I'm still in the early planning stages of a LSR car, and have a wheelbase > question. The rules say you can modify the wheelbase up to 130 inches, I > understand that this makes things more stable, at what point do you deside > what is right? For example, a 1932 Ford roadster has been going well over > 200MPH for years now. If you stretched the chass is to 130 WB would it go any > faster? I'd like to hear from those that have been there and done that. I'll > admit that aesthetics is the main reason for asking this question. Bob in > snow covered Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 10:05:16 2001 From: "Phillip Landry" To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:04:54 Subject: Tires and tubes Am I mistaken or do we have to run tubes with our VR rated tubeless tires to run on a 160 record. XF/GMR Phil and Gary _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 10:07:47 2001 From: "Phillip Landry" To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:07:27 Subject: Racing suits What brands of suits are you guys using? I still can't find a price for the carbonX suits. Phil and Gary _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 10:16:31 2001 From: "Phillip Landry" To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:16:16 Subject: Carburator flash shield I read somewhere in the rule book that if the carburator sticks through the hood it requires a "flash shield". What is a flash shield? Thanks Phil and Gary _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 10:16:54 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Phillip Landry" , Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:15:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Racing suits Philip Try www.chapmanthermalproducts.com They are the manufacturer of carbon x fire suits. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Landry" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:07 PM Subject: Racing suits > What brands of suits are you guys using? I still can't find a price for the > carbonX suits. Phil and Gary > _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 10:23:41 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:23:14 EST Subject: Re: Modified Sports-------Modified wheelbase In a message dated 03/17/2001 6:07:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, Want1937hd@aol.com writes: << I'm still in the early planning stages of a LSR car, and have a wheelbase question. The rules say you can modify the wheelbase up to 130 inches, I understand that this makes things more stable, at what point do you deside what is right? For example, a 1932 Ford roadster has been going well over 200MPH for years now. If you stretched the chass is to 130 WB would it go any faster? I'd like to hear from those that have been there and done that. I'll admit that aesthetics is the main reason for asking this question. Bob in snow covered Connecticut >> Bob, You'll find that in the Hiboy Roadster classes there are other rule constraints that will also limit the wheelbase. I'm no expert, but these are my observations from building and sompeting with a Street Roadster and a Modified Roadster. For instance, there are rules that: 1. "Bodies must be mounted in the conventional manner" (this precludes mounting the rear end anywhere but near the stock location). 2 "The driver must sit ahead of the differential and behind te firewall" (this precludes rear-engine roadsters or "slingshots"). 3. Engine setback is limited to 15% on Street Roadsters, 25% on Gas & Fuel Roadsters, and 50% on Modified Roadsters (to get the driver ahead of the differential and behind the firewall on a MR it's tough to get much more than 50% setback unless you offset the engine or run at the max 190"wb). 4. Street Roadsters must run rear fenders and can only lengthen the hood 3" (this dictates a max wheelbase of about 110"). 5. Engine setback limits prevent setting the body aft on a long wb chassis. 6. "Grill shells must be mounted in the same vertical position as original" (this seems to prevent what is mentioned in (5) above). 7. There is a maximum overall length from the front of the grille shell to the back of the body of 143" on 28-32 roadsters and 152" on 32 & later roadsters. Regards Modified Sports classes, the requirement that the driver sit in the stock position, behind the engine and ahead of the differential, along with the 130"wb maximum pretty much dictates engine setback maximum unless the engine is offset. In that case the rule regards body modification, changes in width and/or contour aft of the cowl would limit most engine offsets. These limits, when applied together, pretty much limit the maximum wb for hiboy roadsters. On Modified Roadsters, a 190"wb car could in theory get the engine 50% back if the front sparkplug was 95" aft of the front spindle. That would give the chassis builder 95" for the engine, tranny, and the drivers legs. As a final note, there is a prohibition in ALL CLASSES regards placing the rear of the flywheel housing at or aft of the drivers knees. By the time you combine the approximately 30" measurement from the front sparkplug to the aft of the bellhousing (on a full-sized V8), add another 30" from the drivers knees to the differential centerline, you have used up 60" of the maximum 130" allowable wheelbase. On a modern V8 engine in a Modified Sports I think you'd be "hard-pressed" to locate the gas, brake, and clutch pedals ahead of the firewall. If you don't already have one, get the SCTA Rulebook. It's the best document that ANY LSR enthusiast can purchase............Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 10:34:03 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:33:43 EST Subject: Re: Tires and tubes In a message dated 03/17/2001 9:06:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, saltracer@hotmail.com writes: << Am I mistaken or do we have to run tubes with our VR rated tubeless tires to run on a 160 record. XF/GMR Phil and Gary >> Phil, Pages 15-16 in the 2000 Rulebook state that all tires (VR's are good to 200mph) must use tubes unless the manufacturer expressly designates them to be run tubeless. BTW, the Tech guys like to see an area flat washer in place below the cap on the valve stem to keep centrifugal force from bending the stem outwards and cutting it where it passes through the rim...........Ardun Doug /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 10:36:40 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:36:21 EST Subject: Re: Carburator flash shield In a message dated 03/17/2001 9:17:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, saltracer@hotmail.com writes: << I read somewhere in the rule book that if the carburator sticks through the hood it requires a "flash shield". What is a flash shield? Thanks Phil and Gary _ >> Just a metal shield that's wider that the carb inlet to keep backfire flashes out of the drivers face. Most NA cars with hoods have the air intakes under the hood or a scoop................Ardun Doug /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 11:28:32 2001 From: "Phillip Landry" To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:28:13 Subject: Re: Tires and tubes ArdunDoug wrote: > Pages 15-16 in the 2000 Rulebook state that all tires (VR's are good >to >200mph) must use tubes unless the manufacturer expressly designates them to >be run tubeless. Doug, that's the confusing part for me. the rulebook states "Tubes are required, except for racing tires expressly designed for use without tubes. Tubeless tires must use a metal valve stem." These are not racing tires, as far as I'm concerned. Phil _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 11:38:19 2001 From: Margaret Bryant To: Skip Higginbotham Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:44:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Minimum speed You guys are saying what I have tried to communicate several times. All can't be record setters, or for that matter winners of a class. A long time ago I settled on having fun, trying to best my previous times, and let the rest fall where it may. Saves a lot of disappointment and depression. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC Skip Higginbotham wrote: > > Thank you Howard, I tried to say the same basic thing to one our list > members but you said it much more elequently. > If one achieves his/her personal best....sometimes the "record" comes along > with it.....added fun. > Skip > > At 07:54 PM 3/15/01 , you wrote: > >List, > > It seems that too many people take our sport too seriously anymore. I > >guess it's hard not to be serious about something you can get killed doing > >but some people come to the meets trying to achieve a personal best without > >regard to what the record is. > > I think they deserve to be allowed to run just like everyone else. They > >have fun, share stories, and like was said, help cover the expenses. > > I have been accused of being too serious and probably correctly in many > >cases, but I also just love to go fast in an organized environment with all > >the proper safety protection standing by. > > > >Howard /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 11:40:43 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:40:20 -0000 Subject: Jerry's ride just been looking at the picture of jerrys roadster on picture post,there's something about pictures of part finished cars that makes me go gimme gimme and makes my wife go "oh no not again" more pictures jerry more. Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 12:09:14 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:08:54 -0000 Subject: light relief if you fancy a bit of light relief try www.news of the wierd.com I defy you not to laugh! Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 13:40:47 2001 From: Malcolm Pittwood To: LSR List Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:39:53 -0500 Subject: Minimum Speeds Was the talk of a 'minimum speed' for LS Racing events a joke to get this list excited ? Malcolm Pittwood, Derby, England (just glad is was not me). /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 13:41:21 2001 From: Malcolm Pittwood To: LSR List , Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:39:58 -0500 Subject: Lost Opportunities ? This is a mailing to both lists even though the topic is that of 'World Recognition', because Keith Turk returned with his thoughts on the 14th to the Land-Speed List. As you will no doubt expect I do not share all of Keiths views and have titled this mail Lost Opportunities if the effort falters now after just 44 days. These are my views and (once again) they do not represent any consensus from the list members - because we have not got that far. The desire for a unified LSR scene appears to me to have become a desire for the rest of the world to just accept that the SCTA should be the "Authority" on how the "average racer" can set a World Record without any changes in their operations at all three US tracks. This disregards the fact that there are BNI Intrenational records for some of their racers available from this organisation at only Bonneville and that the SCTA have no method of accommodating ALL types of racing vehicle. History shows that when the SCTA wanted to set up an "Authority" that could offer US racers the level of world recognition that the FIA can, the group (the LSA) did not gain acceptance. The term 'average racer' was used by a list member to describe all those who do not run lakesters or streamliners and are thus excluded from the BNI International runs - ie most of the racers by number !! ******************** "Nothing much was accomplished" - well I have 650 mailings that have given me a new insite into the feelings of some concerned racers and organisers of land speed racing and land speed record attempts around (some) parts of the world. A lot of time WILL have been wasted unless some positive 'standards' are offered to the racers. Do we just accept this statement as fact and forget the effort. Is it because racers are preparing their cars and they are no longer interested in the winter pursuit of bench racing the rules? There was a view that for the tracks under 1.5 miles of running length (from start to end of the timing trap) a STANDARD could be achieved to accept how these events (on dirt and on airfields) can be run. Single passes were going to be acceptable, but the speeds would NOT be called 'World Records' as they were not run even in the same way as at Bonneville, let alone the rest of the world. The 132 foot timing trap used on these shorter courses was a stumbling block because of its drag racing origins and that the world sees longer distances (1/4 mile, kilo etc....) and the list never moved on to addressing the types of vehicles eligible to run etc..... When it came to the long course(s), where the quickest speeds were likely to be achieved, the progress faltered when strong statements were being made. These included (but were not exclusiveley) concerns about the 'ease' with which records might be set, that FIA recignised speeds might be in some way downgraded and that deviating from the current SCTA way could NOT be achieved. Of course there was a view that the speeds on shorter courses should be counted as well disregarding the difference of setting speeds through a 132 feet trap and 5280 foot timing trap. Of course there were many mailings which set the conversations off up different paths away from the true focus for the list, but if the important core items are extracted quite a lot was thrashed out but not enough yet to offer to the racers for them to decide whether the Standard was a worthwhile addition to the LSR scene. Remember that word 'addition', because AT NO TIME was I prepared to 'take away' what racers have already achieved if a National Club recognises their efforts as a record speed. The outcome could have been an added 'Standard' which racers could aim for that would be recognised worldwide amongst an enlarged peer group. In Keith's mailing of 14/3 he suggests for the first time that, all that is required is to assemble the existing speeds from the four USA tracks and Australia on to one list. You then select the fastest as the World Record in each SCTA or ECTA or DLRA class. The DLRA website is nearly there with this exercise and their headings for their databases are "World Car Record Holders" or "World Motorcycle Record Holders". The only track that they have not listed in the USA is Maxton. Of course to me the world is a bit larger than USA and Australia and just four/five locations - where are the UK car and bike records? let alone the speeds set on oval tracks in the USA, Italy etc........ Guess what - we who are not listed race to different standards and classes. But I would suggest that at this time they are equally valid ways. I guess that the statement made by a list member that "not enough people are interested" is now true and indeed the opportunity has been lost. 44 days is not long enough to have given the concept a fair chance but I guess many want 'instant' results these days. Malcolm Pittwood, Derby, England. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 14:58:04 2001 From: Skip Higginbotham To: "Phillip Landry" , Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:59:42 -0600 Subject: Re: Racing suits Hi Phil, All my safety equipment except fire bottles is Stroud. Skip At 11:07 AM 3/17/01 , you wrote: >What brands of suits are you guys using? I still can't find a price for the >carbonX suits. Phil and Gary >_________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 16:15:59 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:15:35 EST Subject: Re: Lost Opportunities ? In a message dated 03/17/2001 12:42:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, MPittwood@compuserve.com writes: << I guess that the statement made by a list member that "not enough people are interested" is now true and indeed the opportunity has been lost. 44 days is not long enough to have given the concept a fair chance but I guess many want 'instant' results these days. Malcolm Pittwood, Derby, England. >> Lost opportunity for whom????????????/ Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 16:19:02 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Malcolm Pittwood" , Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:15:42 -0600 Subject: Re: Minimum Speeds Hey Malcolm.... nahh it wasn't a Joke... El Mirage really does have a Problem with the number of runs a group of folks can make in a given weekend... and some of thier meets are one day events which even makes the issue more complicated.... The Fella's comments were actually honest... it's tough when you work your butt off and don't get to make a run due to time constraints and course conditions.... It was an option he wanted to evaluate ... and judging from how the concept was recieved here.... well Like you I am glad I am not going to be the one to advance this philosphy.... You do have to watch me thou..... I do like to slip something in there now and again to stimulate conversation.... and this one little bit that I heard kept us going for a couple of days.... I really enjoyed seeing the responses. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Pittwood" To: "LSR List" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Minimum Speeds > Was the talk of a 'minimum speed' for LS Racing events a joke to get this > list excited ? > > Malcolm Pittwood, Derby, England (just glad is was not me). /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 18:03:36 2001 From: "Richard Fox" To: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:59:17 -0800 Subject: area List; I was just watching hot rod TV and they were putting a 52mm 2bbl throttle body on a Camaro. I was wondering how that compares to anything else. If I do the math right that would be 6.582 sq.in area. The F150 2 bbl I want to use on the Ply would be 6.096 Sq. In. A single barrel 75mm unit would be 6.844 Sq. In. The single barrel that was on the stock Maxama is 4.430 Sq. In. and the baby bug catcher I ran on the Nissan was 6.562 Sq. in. Maybe I should have used 2 stock Maxama parts, they are sure cheap. ----- Killing time. Rich Fox /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 18:14:57 2001 From: "Jim Dincau" To: "glen barrett" , Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:14:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Racing suits Actually Glen, they manufacture the material, there are two suit manufacturers listed in the links at their site. Jim in Palmdale ----- Original Message ----- From: glen barrett To: Phillip Landry ; Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: Re: Racing suits > Philip > Try > www.chapmanthermalproducts.com > > They are the manufacturer of carbon x fire suits. > Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 18:30:30 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: jdincau@qnet.com, speedtimer@charter.net, saltracer@hotmail.com, Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:29:11 EST Subject: 1905 Darracq LSR at 109.65 A few weeks ago I mentioned the 1905 Land Speed Record was held by a 22 1/2 litre VV8 Darracq. I just ran across a photo fo the car today. Should I post it on the photo page? Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 19:11:27 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: Want1937hd@aol.com, jdincau@qnet.com, speedtimer@charter.net, Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:10:32 EST Subject: Re: 1905 Darracq LSR at 109.65 That was a typo of mine it is a V8, overhead valves too. Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 21:54:34 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: saltracer@awwwsome.com, saltrat@pro-blend.com Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:53:18 EST Subject: Re: Minimum speed Tom, you can repeat that 100 times and (those guys) will just never get it! They want to help everybody! Everybody that is except themselves! Lets all help them because, "maybe they are doing it for us!" Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 22:08:45 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: MPittwood@compuserve.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:08:23 EST Subject: Re: Minimum Speeds Malcolm Joke or not thats what happens when you change fun filled amateur sports to top heavy media events! And it all starts by saying lets make this better--BETTER FOR WHO? The other day I met an ex sand dragger he told me it costs $60.00 to sit in the sand and spectate! He has switched to LSR. How can we change everything for this poor soul to make him a winner? How's your two club doing? Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 22:16:50 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: MPittwood@compuserve.com, land-speed@autox.team.net, Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:16:29 EST Subject: Re: Lost Opportunities ? Dear Malcolm. Whats wrong with saying you have a world record? How about the guy who has a Mini with a Rolls Merlin in it and goes 50 mph why can't he say he is the worlds fastest? or does he need your stamp of approval? How's your 200mph club doing? Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 22:17:54 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:17:38 EST Subject: Re: Lost Opportunities ? Hey Doug???????????????????????? Me too! Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 17 22:22:36 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, MPittwood@compuserve.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:21:27 EST Subject: Re: Minimum Speeds Keithy Shmeisy I'll see you in the mall next to the cinnabuns wear your best suit! jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 03:56:27 2001 From: Malcolm Pittwood To: Ardun Doug King , Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 05:55:05 -0500 Subject: Lost Opportunities Doug and the LSR List members and World Recird List, According to the list members from the USA who kicked this topic around courtesy of this list and Jon Amo's, it must be a missed opportunity for all 'average racers' (in the USA) - those who do not have a chance at a BNI International or FIA International 'World' record or FIM International 'World' record, because they do not run a streamliner or lakester under SCTA rules. And these are people who run at SCTA administered events. I have to say that it is a lost opportunity for many other countries of the world, who could have had an Internationally accepted (by the racers and their organising groups) form of racing to compete in. Perhaps It is also a loss for those who would be pleased to have an extended peer group outside the USA. But, it appears that something arguably "better" is not wanted, inspite of many open minds ......... so the FIA & FIM remain the only International bodies for all countries and (inspite of the contention by others) for ALL racers - should you build a quick enough vehicle they do not care what it looks like. Malcolm Pittwood, Derby, England. ps Thanks to Jon Amo for setting up the additional forum on landracing.com /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 08:58:08 2001 From: "Jim Bickford" To: "Rick Byrnes" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:57:37 -0800 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Rick, I have seen this type of metallic o-ring used in the Nissan turbo cars. I have also seen a similar metallic o-ring that was not pressure filled with nitrogen but was ported with tiny holes on the interior of the ring. When placed in the step bore at the top of the cylinder the exhaust gases would pressurize the o-ring How effective is this compared to the nitrogen filled rings? They are a litter cheaper. Jim Bickford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Byrnes" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Head Gaskets > Hi Mike > > Metallic "O" rings are not new, they just seem like a closely guarded > secret. > Made from .062" dia, .010" wall Inconnel X 750 tubing, formed into a hoop > and then welded and ground at the weld. During the manufacturing process > they fill with a high pressure gas Nitrogen I think. A company called > Helico Flex, in S. C. produces them in lots of sizes, but actually makes > them to my (or your) specification. They are expensive. When ordering 25 > or more the price is/was $24 each. These type of parts are used to seal > very high pressure steam at Nuclear plants and are very well engineered. > The O ring sets in a step in the bore rather than a groove. With big bores > there just isn't room so a counterbore does just fine. > The logic, behind the design is the metal O ring provides a very high unit > load to seal high pressure combustion gas, and as temperatures increase and > the properties of the metal decline, the high pressure gas has expanded and > supports the original sealing (unit load). They work well, and of course > provide a metal/metal clamping joint that is much more stable than the > typical gasketed joint. If you flow water and oil thru this joint you still > need elastomer O rings at each location. If anyone is interested in > specifics, I can take some photos and post. (Glenys just got a new digital > camera). > Even for us crazys, most of us don't need this kind of approach to sealing. > Roush used this in the 2.5L GTO motors they used in the 80's and never had a > problem. What was interesting about that program is they never had any type > of engine failure in public. Except one pilot burning down one engine when > he lost coolant after a shunt. He didn't DNF though.... > I was very fortunate that late in the program Lee White, then the manager of > the GTO program shared some of the non propriority items with me. I'm not > too proud to copy.....especially the good ones..... /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 08:59:10 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:58:50 -0000 Subject: jerrys ride hi Jerry, I don't live in any part of your country, I live on the welsh coast(britain), but we're hoping to visit Bonneville this year, I 'm in the planning stages for a liner at the moment(yes I know, plenty of people with plans, not many with liners), I've had lots of usefull advice from the list (along with the odd cryptic clue!) more photo's would go down a treat. Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 09:12:41 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:12:09 EST Subject: Re: Lost Opportunities Sat Goodnight, Malcolm /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 09:41:34 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "Jim Bickford" , Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:54:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Jim brings up an interesting point. I originally used "vented" O rings made by a guy on the west coast, (Don Vesco and Billy Talley put me on to him) but when he could no longer supply inconnel, and wanted to supply the same parts from 321 SS, I switched to the gas filled rings from a different source. I never failed a vented ring, but feel that the gas pressure is a more complete design. I have no data of ring temperature when I run with an EGT of 1800 to 1850 deg F, but felt that the extra protection would be safer. Sealing load would be more balanced over a wider temperature range. I actually, never had an engine failure of any kind until I started running the N/A motor and twisted the snot out of it. On the N/A motor or a lightly boosted engine, I would not hesitate to use the SS vented O rings. The Armour of the Fel Pro gaskets we have been talking about is 321 Stainless, and it lives very well without detonation. Lots of heat transfer thru the deck and head. Cost wise they were about the same. Within 3 or 4 dollars each. Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 09:49:13 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "landspeed@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:48:02 -0800 Subject: 2001 rule books 2001 SCTA Rule books are going to printer tomorrow. Should be going to mail within 10 days for SCTA / BNI members. They can be ordered through the SCTA-BNI.ORG web site. www.scta-bni.org Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 10:04:40 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:00:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets How hard did you turn it?? for me with an OHC engine getting with it is about 9500 turning it up pretty hard ~ 10000 twisting the tail off it 10500 driving it like a stolen car :>) 10500++++ on the yamaha last year it was 11800+ Dave Dahlgren Rick Byrnes wrote: > > I actually, never had an engine failure of any kind until I started running > the N/A motor and twisted the snot out of it. > > Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 10:18:12 2001 From: "Jonathan Amo" To: "land-speed@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:15:40 -0700 Subject: Piersons Coupe List, Going thru some old magazines laying around of Hot Rod, I came across the swimsuit issue in in April 1993. So instead of just looking at the pictures, I came across a 4 page feature of the 33 Ford Pierson Coupe. Now maybe im being stupid here, but isnt this the same one Tom Bryant has/had? The pictures are at El Mirage and the number on the car is 2D. Jonathan /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 10:37:59 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: webmaster@landracing.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:36:48 EST Subject: Re: Piersons Coupe In a message dated 3/18/01 12:20:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, webmaster@landracing.com writes: << List, Going thru some old magazines laying around of Hot Rod, I came across the swimsuit issue in in April 1993. So instead of just looking at the pictures, I came across a 4 page feature of the 33 Ford Pierson Coupe. Now maybe im being stupid here, but isnt this the same one Tom Bryant has/had? The pictures are at El Mirage and the number on the car is 2D. >> Yes, They are the same car. Bob In Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 10:42:35 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Jonathan Amo" , Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:41:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Piersons Coupe Jon Same car,now in the Peterson Museum in L.A. Lots of history, I believe Tom has a page on the car on his web site. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Amo" To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: Piersons Coupe > List, > > Going thru some old magazines laying around of Hot Rod, I came across > the swimsuit issue in in April 1993. So instead of just looking at the > pictures, I came across a 4 page feature of the 33 Ford Pierson Coupe. > Now maybe im being stupid here, but isnt this the same one Tom Bryant > has/had? > The pictures are at El Mirage and the number on the car is 2D. > > > Jonathan /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 10:54:03 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: MPittwood@compuserve.com, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net, Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:53:28 EST Subject: Re: Lost Opportunities Malcolm, thank goodness for the sovereignty and customs of all countries and the individuality of their people! The same for all racing groups! I would feel privileged and honored the be able to compete on anyone's race track and enjoy their company and customs! I would be very proud of the ability to do so and equally proud of what ever I could accomplish! Lennons (Imagine) is to me a beautiful and emotional statement! Undoubtedly our galaxy will someday be as one, but I just happen to love our differences and until I have planets to explore I will cherish the adventures I have here! Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 11:50:40 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:42:33 -0500 Subject: Time Dialation I was watching a TV interview with a top fuel dragster driver last weekend. She made a comment about "Time Dilation". She made references of being able to think in complete sentences and multiple events during a 5 second pass. This is interesting to me and wonder if anyone could ad anything more to this. Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 12:05:43 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:57:40 -0500 Subject: Dry Decks With the head gasket discussion on going, I thought I would throw this question out there. Seems to me the metal "O" rings are a neat deal. Now to solve another small delima. Why not make it a complete dry deck and use seperate cooling loops in the heads and block. I know the some of the 18 degree heads have a coolant line run to the intake face. This would also mandate the use of a dry sump sytem to remove the oil used to cool the valve springs. Would the temperatures be hard to control even if using a common water pump, and cooling tank or radiator. Might be able to lower the block temp to control some bore distortion and a littel higher head temp to gain so extra go power. I guess this is nothing new just something the average guy never really tries. I am thinking right or is my deck dry above the shoulders? Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 12:08:56 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:00:53 -0500 Subject: Fw: Head Gaskets ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Rick Byrnes" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Rick, I am curious. where in S.C. are they located aint much of nothing here in S. C. except pine trees and sand. Bill Forgot that trailer again >----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Byrnes" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 9:25 AM > Subject: Re: Head Gaskets > > > > Hi Mike > > > > Metallic "O" rings are not new, they just seem like a closely guarded > > secret. > > Made from .062" dia, .010" wall Inconnel X 750 tubing, formed into a hoop > > and then welded and ground at the weld. During the manufacturing process > > they fill with a high pressure gas Nitrogen I think. A company called > > Helico Flex, in S. C. produces them in lots of sizes, but actually makes > > them to my (or your) specification. They are expensive. When ordering 25 > > or more the price is/was $24 each. These type of parts are used to seal > > very high pressure steam at Nuclear plants and are very well engineered. > > The O ring sets in a step in the bore rather than a groove. With big > bores > > there just isn't room so a counterbore does just fine. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 12:12:42 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Phillip Landry" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:04:38 -0500 Subject: Fw: Racing suits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Phillip Landry" ; Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Racing suits There is a reall good article are fiiresuits and who makes what in the April issue of Speedway Illustrated" You might want to skip through it. Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phillip Landry" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:07 PM > Subject: Racing suits > > > > What brands of suits are you guys using? I still can't find a price for > the > > carbonX suits. Phil and Gary > > _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 12:33:37 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:25:27 -0500 Subject: Interesting Products I was cruising through a site and found some interesting items. http://www.longacreracing.com/catalog/item.asp?id=596&catid=21 First was what they call a "Pipemaster" I personally don't like the name should have been something like tube master. What it is, is an OD contour gage that you can slide over your roll cage tubing before you notch it. Put you tubing in place slide the device up to the adjoining tubing and it conforms to the joint. remove your tubing and you have an accurate picture of the notch you need to cut. Second they have an assorment of cleaners, polsihers and scratch removers for lexan. I know some people complained about visiblity at Muros due to staic clinging the dirt to the windsheild. Third they have a drink holder so Keith can mount a Diet Coke to the roll cage. Sorry didn't see anything to mount a pack of smokes though. Thought they would have being they are Winstons. Bill Why yeah I am trying to catch up with Dick and Keith in message quanity not quality. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 13:13:09 2001 From: "Richard Fox" To: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:09:00 -0800 Subject: Fw: Dry Decks -----Original Message----- From: Richard Fox To: Bill & Dee Bennett ; Land Speed List Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Dry Decks >This is the system I used on Larry's Pontiac and my Plymouth with the Ford >head. However I start with water to the head which is hotter and I want >cooler. I use solid copper head gaskets with no water holes (.041) that I >make. Oil from the valve cover runs back as stock. Has worked for some time >for me. Rich Fox >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill & Dee Bennett >To: Land Speed List >Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 11:08 AM >Subject: Dry Decks > > >>With the head gasket discussion on going, I thought I would throw this >>question out there. Seems to me the metal "O" rings are a neat deal. Now to >>solve another small delima. Why not make it a complete dry deck and use >>seperate cooling loops in the heads and block. I know the some of the 18 >>degree heads have a coolant line run to the intake face. This would also >>mandate the use of a dry sump sytem to remove the oil used to cool the >valve >>springs. Would the temperatures be hard to control even if using a common >>water pump, and cooling tank or radiator. Might be able to lower the block >>temp to control some bore distortion and a littel higher head temp to gain >>so extra go power. I guess this is nothing new just something the average >>guy never really tries. I am thinking right or is my deck dry above the >>shoulders? >> >>Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 13:16:03 2001 From: Malcolm Pittwood To: LSR List Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:15:23 -0500 Subject: Lost it? LSR LIst, I guess there are some who will never be as open minded as Keith asked. Goodnight (just for tonight....) Malcolm. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 13:26:03 2001 From: "Richard Fox" To: "Bill & Dee Bennett" , Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:21:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Time Dialation Einstein's theory was that time slows down as speed increases. When you reach the speed of light time stops. Some think this affects the brain in such a manner that makes us like going fast. E=MC2 may apply to your race car. Rich Fox -----Original Message----- From: Bill & Dee Bennett To: Land Speed List Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Time Dialation >I was watching a TV interview with a top fuel dragster driver last weekend. >She made a comment about "Time Dilation". She made references of being able >to think in complete sentences and multiple events during a 5 second pass. >This is interesting to me and wonder if anyone could ad anything more to >this. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 13:30:03 2001 From: "Jon Wennerberg" To: "LSR list \(E-mail\)" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:32:17 -0500 Subject: Back to trucks, please Okay, boys and girls. I've been reading, I've been observing - and the recent question about trucks for hauling hits a point where maybe I can offer some input. My company runs a pair of medium-duty trucks (26,000 # GVW) about 125,000 miles/year each. Take a look at them at www.infodestruction.com if you'd like. We haul medical waste, confidential documents, and an occasional motorcycle. What I've learned is: DO NOT BUY A PICKUP TRUCK, no matter how carefully you spec it, if you're going to haul anything bigger than 4x8 plywood! You'll waste money if you do!! That is: we drive all over our territory in a pair of "medium-duty" trucks - a '93 F-700 and a '99 C6500. The Ford has a Cummins 5.9L "B" turbo, the Chevy a Cat 7.2L 3126Bs. Both, in case you're not familiar with their nomenclature, are diesel motors. The Ford has about 450,000 miles on it (I say about 'cuz the odometer has broken several times - the hour meter shows around 11,000 hrs, which at 40 mph/average is about where I think it is); the Chevy has 125k miles on the clock. The Ford has never been opened, save for one front head gasket at about 350k miles. The Chevy is still untouched. Both were intended to haul cargo around Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and were ordered with 18k-26k gross loads in mind. Each has a straight six-speed, but the Ford has 4.33 gears, the Chevy 3.73's. Both run 10R22.5 radial Group IV tires. Both trucks have delivered about 11 mpg since new, as expected for the way I've got them set. Keeping all of this (and 'way more) data in mind, I would certainly suggest buying a trailer-hauling vehicle in the MID-size range, such as these, rather than a pickup that's pushed to the max. Here's why: These trucks can be built specifically for the job. When spec'ing the Chevy I talked to the Caterpillar engineers to let them know what body I'd be using, which engine rating, which tires, and so on - and they told me, after checking with their computer program, what my fuel mileage would be. So I could therefore re-design the truck to maximize the economy (or, as it turned out, other parameters which were of interest to me). How could this be of help to a race team? Well, imagine that you could, first of all, build a hauling truck that you knew would do your job for years and years - not just one or two seasons? Second, think of being able to spec a hauler truck that had the air-suspension seats that you've always wanted - at a cost that's less than "Captain Chair's" in a custom pickup? Or a crew cab with enough room. Think about ordering with gearing that'd let scoot down the highway and still tug out of the glop when it has rained. Then there's the thought of a "real" truck engine. No "indirect" combustion, there are low revs to save wear and tear, and there's the idea of not having to trade in every couple of years. How about ordering a "low-profile" mid-size truck with the engine, gears, cab, and everything else you want? Exactly - - no compromises!! The cost will be darn near the same as a "fancy" pickup; the life expectancy will be at least a handful of years or longer, and you'll be able to design your own truck without padding the pockets of the "pickup truck" factories. You'll save money over the long run -- and your truck will do the job 'way better. I'll defend my statements at your request. Jon /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 13:42:17 2001 From: "Jon Wennerberg" To: "Alan Jackson \(E-mail\)" , Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:44:05 -0500 Subject: FW: Time Dialation I can relate. Jon Einstein's theory was that time slows down as speed increases. When you reach the speed of light time stops. Some think this affects the brain in such a manner that makes us like going fast. E=MC2 may apply to your race car /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 15:19:39 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Richard Fox" , Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:10:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Time Dialation Does this mean then that the faster I go the younger I get? Hmmmmmmmmmm Hey Dave I need a motor that I can drive it like I stole it from Keith oh on second thought Not! Bored this weekend too much work Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fox" To: "Bill & Dee Bennett" ; "Land Speed List" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Time Dialation > Einstein's theory was that time slows down as speed increases. When you > reach the speed of light time stops. Some think this affects the brain in > such a manner that makes us like going fast. E=MC2 may apply to your race > car. Rich Fox > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill & Dee Bennett > To: Land Speed List > Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:52 AM > Subject: Time Dialation > > > >I was watching a TV interview with a top fuel dragster driver last weekend. > >She made a comment about "Time Dilation". She made references of being > able > >to think in complete sentences and multiple events during a 5 second pass. > >This is interesting to me and wonder if anyone could ad anything more to > >this. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 15:46:50 2001 From: "The Butters Family" To: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:47:29 -0800 Subject: Medium Duty Trucks I think lots of racers buy the so called HD pickups thinking they are saving money because they are dual purpose. I doubt if many of them realize that driving one of the medium duty trucks is not much different than the 4 dr F350 style truck. You can get very clean used diesel powered medium duty trucks with 24 foot boxes on them for not a whole lot more than a good 24 foot trailer. Why these aren't the preferred race car set up, is hard to understand. The money lost in depreciation on the pickup could easily fund a lot of racing. My rig is a converted school bus, back 24 feet for the car, front 12 feet for living accommodations, less than $2000. Kvach /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 15:57:52 2001 From: DOUG ODOM To: LAND-SPEED Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:01:28 -0800 Subject: Australia List: Well we made it back. That 14 HR. plane flight is a butt buster and the only tough part of the trip. I can not sleep sitting up for love or money. I had 741 e-mails when I got home and have only gone through about half of them. I won't try and tell about the whole trip in one message. It would be long and boring to some or most. The lake is so big that the cars just disappear over the horizon. I was hoping someone would fly in to the meet so I could con them into taking me up to get a picture from above the lake. They said you can go out to a point where all you can see is the horizon of salt for 360 degrees. You better have a GPS or compass with you or you can be in real trouble getting lost. The salt is different, I believe that they said it's 98% sodium chloride. I think Bonneville is much less than that. It is very hard and cures differently. You don't get the crusty's like B-ville. It dries and leaves round mounds about a foot in diameter and half inch or so in height spaced about 4 or 5 feet apart. It had dried out to the point that the drag would just scrape the top of the mounds leaving the course a bit bumpy. Not really bad and no problem for our car with air bags. They really need more weight on the drag and they are going to fix that soon. They only have about 6 or 8 guys doing all the work at the meet so they do a great job with a few people. The road out to the lake was not near as bad as I had heard. A lot better than the road into El Mirage. But longer about 90 miles. I drove at about 50mph most of the time in the motorhome. More later, Doug Odom back in big ditch /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 16:24:26 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: bbutters@coldreams.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:24:00 EST Subject: Re: Medium Duty Trucks I rent a 24 foot Ryder truck 1-2 times a month to move custom kitchen cabinets. Haven't had a bad one yet, they sell them after ther get to be 3-4 years old. Good deal in my opinion, the Internationals are my favorite. Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 17:00:10 2001 From: "Jonathan Amo" To: "DOUG ODOM" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:57:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Australia Glad to hear you made a safe passage home from your trip Doug. I can wait to hear about you adventure while in the outback. Jonthan http://www.landracing.com DOUG ODOM wrote: > List: Well we made it back. That 14 HR. plane flight is a butt buster > and the only tough part of the trip. I can not sleep sitting up for love > or money. I had 741 e-mails when I got home and have only gone through > about half of them. I won't try and tell about the whole trip in one > message. It would be long and boring to some or most. The lake is so > big that the cars just disappear over the horizon. I was hoping someone > would fly in to the meet so I could con them into taking me up to get a > picture from above the lake. They said you can go out to a point where > all you can see is the horizon of salt for 360 degrees. You better have > a GPS or compass with you or you can be in real trouble getting lost. > The salt is different, I believe that they said it's 98% sodium > chloride. I think Bonneville is much less than that. It is very hard and > cures differently. You don't get the crusty's like B-ville. It dries and > leaves round mounds about a foot in diameter and half inch or so in > height spaced about 4 or 5 feet apart. It had dried out to the point > that the drag would just scrape the top of the mounds leaving the course > a bit bumpy. Not really bad and no problem for our car with air bags. > They really need more weight on the drag and they are going to fix that > soon. They only have about 6 or 8 guys doing all the work at the meet so > they do a great job with a few people. > The road out to the lake was not near as bad as I had heard. A lot > better than the road into El Mirage. But longer about 90 miles. I drove > at about 50mph most of the time in the motorhome. More later, Doug > Odom back in big ditch /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 17:17:12 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "Dave Dahlgren" , Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:52:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets Dave Dahlgren asks > How hard did you turn it?? Since this new motor is 100mm bore and 95 mm stroke (almost 4" X 3.75" I chose to limit it to 8500. The failure I had, was the first year of this N/A configuration, and I did not have a dry sump. A large belt driven single stage pump, but I essentially ran out of oil. (or aireated all 8 quarts that were in the pan. This system worked perfectly at 7000 on the turbo engine but...........lessons learned. The midget version of this engine regularly turns 10400 in qualifying (with exactly the same head and valvetrain). With a 1/2" shorter stroke though. Titanium rods and a fully balanced billet crank help, and certainly keep the rod bearing loads within an acceptable level, but I'm still learning about this non blown stuff. It is a different world. I see this motor as half a Winston Cup deal. Looking forward to seeing you on the salt Dave...... Speaking about half a V8, are any of you bent 8 guys running flat cranks? Does anyone have forgings? Ford? (I'm still loyal) I have a real long term project in mind and think I need to be learning about different configurations. Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 18:16:29 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:16:08 EST Subject: tires Dick J I know you did quite a bit of research on your tires, what size did you end up with and what brand. Did you get them at the Tire Rack? I'm looking at tires for this old truck for Maxton. Thanks Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 18:17:26 2001 From: RAWAWA@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:17:04 EST Subject: Time Dilation Seriously ,LSR fans, comparing the speed of light to 300 mph can't possibly explain any individuals' on-track experiences,whether drags or LSR...It would seem more likely that we are so "wired" and endo-morphed up that we have such vivid recall. Considering a past thread, if we drive reversed-body roadsters at high speeds on the long course,can we go back in time ?.....Jack,are you there ?. ................................Bob K/GL time machine Wanner in NY /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 18:29:10 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "Jon Wennerberg" , Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:31:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Back to trucks, please Jon, Thanks for the input. I'm sure for heavy hauling what you say is correct but most of us use our pickups all year (50 weeks) for general transportation and haul the race trailer for two weeks. I really don't think I could justify or would want to drive an F-650 or F-750 with a CAT diesel for daily transportation. You are absolutely correct about SOME applications. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Wennerberg" To: "LSR list (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: Back to trucks, please > Okay, boys and girls. I've been reading, I've been observing - and the > recent question about trucks for hauling hits a point where maybe I can > offer some input. > > My company runs a pair of medium-duty trucks (26,000 # GVW) about 125,000 > miles/year each. Take a look at them at www.infodestruction.com if you'd > like. We haul medical waste, confidential documents, and an occasional > motorcycle. What I've learned is: DO NOT BUY A PICKUP TRUCK, no matter how > carefully you spec it, if you're going to haul anything bigger than 4x8 > plywood! You'll waste money if you do!! > > That is: we drive all over our territory in a pair of "medium-duty" > trucks - a '93 F-700 and a '99 C6500. The Ford has a Cummins 5.9L "B" > turbo, the Chevy a Cat 7.2L 3126Bs. Both, in case you're not familiar with > their nomenclature, are diesel motors. The Ford has about 450,000 miles on > it (I say about 'cuz the odometer has broken several times - the hour meter > shows around 11,000 hrs, which at 40 mph/average is about where I think it > is); the Chevy has 125k miles on the clock. The Ford has never been opened, > save for one front head gasket at about 350k miles. The Chevy is still > untouched. > > Both were intended to haul cargo around Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and were > ordered with 18k-26k gross loads in mind. Each has a straight six-speed, > but the Ford has 4.33 gears, the Chevy 3.73's. Both run 10R22.5 radial > Group IV tires. Both trucks have delivered about 11 mpg since new, as > expected for the way I've got them set. > > Keeping all of this (and 'way more) data in mind, I would certainly suggest > buying a trailer-hauling vehicle in the MID-size range, such as these, > rather than a pickup that's pushed to the max. Here's why: > > These trucks can be built specifically for the job. When spec'ing the Chevy > I talked to the Caterpillar engineers to let them know what body I'd be > using, which engine rating, which tires, and so on - and they told me, after > checking with their computer program, what my fuel mileage would be. So I > could therefore re-design the truck to maximize the economy (or, as it > turned out, other parameters which were of interest to me). > > How could this be of help to a race team? Well, imagine that you could, > first of all, build a hauling truck that you knew would do your job for > years and years - not just one or two seasons? Second, think of being able > to spec a hauler truck that had the air-suspension seats that you've always > wanted - at a cost that's less than "Captain > Chair's" in a custom pickup? Or a crew cab with enough room. Think about > ordering with gearing that'd let scoot down the highway and still tug out of > the glop when it has rained. > > Then there's the thought of a "real" truck engine. No "indirect" > combustion, there are low revs to save wear and tear, and there's the idea > of not having to trade in every couple of years. > > How about ordering a "low-profile" mid-size truck with the engine, gears, > cab, and everything else you want? Exactly - - no compromises!! The cost > will be darn near the same as a "fancy" pickup; the life expectancy will be > at least a handful of years or longer, and you'll be able to design your own > truck without padding the pockets of the "pickup truck" factories. You'll > save money over the long run -- and your truck will do the job 'way better. > > I'll defend my statements at your request. > > Jon /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 18:37:05 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: , , , Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:38:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Lost Opportunities Jack, That's the first time I have seen you put more than ten words in an e-mail. Congratulations. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Lost Opportunities > Malcolm, thank goodness for the sovereignty and customs of all countries and > the individuality of their people! The same for all racing groups! I would > feel privileged and honored the be able to compete on anyone's race track and > enjoy their company and customs! I would be very proud of the ability to do > so and equally proud of what ever I could accomplish! Lennons (Imagine) is to > me a beautiful and emotional statement! Undoubtedly our galaxy will someday > be as one, but I just happen to love our differences and until I have planets > to explore I will cherish the adventures I have here! Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 18:54:19 2001 From: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham To: DOUG ODOM , Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:55:56 -0600 Subject: Re: Australia Welcome home. And....good job! Skip /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 19:02:43 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: Rick Byrnes Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:56:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Head Gaskets I have access to a 4.5 liter 302 style crank new...180 degree.. It was for use just before they started the restrictor deal in the WSC cars. personally I am a big fan of the Ti rods for strength and light weight but they are so rigid they can be tough on the walls and they have their own learning curve too .. i will be there playing with something I am sure! I tune both blown and N/A engines and both have their merits, and their own little tricks they play. Dave Dahlgren Rick Byrnes wrote: > > Dave Dahlgren asks > > How hard did you turn it?? > > Since this new motor is 100mm bore and 95 mm stroke (almost 4" X 3.75" I > chose to limit it to 8500. The failure I had, was the first year of this > N/A configuration, and I did not have a dry sump. A large belt driven > single stage pump, but I essentially ran out of oil. (or aireated all 8 > quarts that were in the pan. This system worked perfectly at 7000 on the > turbo engine but...........lessons learned. The midget version of this > engine regularly turns 10400 in qualifying (with exactly the same head and > valvetrain). With a 1/2" shorter stroke though. > Titanium rods and a fully balanced billet crank help, and certainly keep > the rod bearing loads within an acceptable level, but I'm still learning > about this non blown stuff. It is a different world. I see this motor as > half a Winston Cup deal. > > Looking forward to seeing you on the salt Dave...... > > Speaking about half a V8, are any of you bent 8 guys running flat cranks? > Does anyone have forgings? Ford? (I'm still loyal) > I have a real long term project in mind and think I need to be learning > about different configurations. > > Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 19:11:29 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:10:53 EST Subject: Re: Australia Welcome back Doug. Congrats on some VERY respectable times. Do they have a "Two-Club" in DLRA? If they do it looks like you and Gail came home with a couple of hats,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,The Doug in Castro Valley, CA /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 19:54:38 2001 From: "Doug Anderson" To: RAWAWA@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 02:54:18 -0000 Subject: Re: Time Dilation From: RAWAWA@aol.com Reply-To: RAWAWA@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Subject: Time Dilation Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:17:04 EST Seriously ,LSR fans, comparing the speed of light to 300 mph can't possibly explain any individuals' on-track experiences,whether drags or LSR...It would seem more likely that we are so "wired" and endo-morphed up that we have such vivid recall. Considering a past thread, if we drive reversed-body roadsters at high speeds on the long course,can we go back in time ?.....Jack,are you there ?. ................Bob K/GL time machine Wanner in NY xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx AB-SO-LOOOOTLY there Bobber THAT is WHY we all like such old cars.....(and "old") technology. -Dirty Doug, also in New Yawk,....but yer'lots closer to Hill--- LOL _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 20:07:55 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: RAWAWA@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:07:27 EST Subject: Re: Time Dilation In a message dated 3/18/01 8:19:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, RAWAWA@aol.com writes: << Considering a past thread, if we drive reversed-body roadsters at high speeds on the long course,can we go back in time ?.....Jack,are you there ?. ................................Bob K/GL time machine Wanner in NY >> Bob, I think this is why they have the two way backup run, gets you back to where you started. Thanks for bringing this up. Bob across the line in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 20:17:57 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Doug Anderson" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:10:01 -0500 Subject: Fw: Time Dilation ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Doug Anderson" ; ; Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Time Dilation > Seriously folks I think this got a little more cosmic than I expected it to. > Basically what I was referring to was the fact that what is actually a 30 > sec run felt much longer. During Shelly Anderson's inteviewed her statement > was the effect that a 5 sec run seemed to last for minutes. And she was able > to "think" in complete sentences. That is all I was talking about. I think > Rich's Einstein statement was tongue and cheek at least thats what I took it > as anyway. > "Keith where you at when I need help keeping this list lively" > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Anderson" > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: Time Dilation > > > > From: RAWAWA@aol.com > > Reply-To: RAWAWA@aol.com > > To: land-speed@autox.team.net > > Subject: Time Dilation > > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:17:04 EST > > > > Seriously ,LSR fans, comparing the speed of light to 300 mph can't > possibly > > explain any individuals' on-track experiences,whether drags or LSR...It > > would > > seem more likely that we are so "wired" and endo-morphed up that we have > > such > > vivid recall. Considering a past thread, if we drive reversed-body > > roadsters > > at high speeds on the long course,can we go back in time ?.....Jack,are > you > > there ?. ................Bob K/GL time machine Wanner in NY > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > AB-SO-LOOOOTLY there Bobber > > > > > > THAT is WHY we all like such old cars.....(and "old") technology. > > > > -Dirty Doug, also in New Yawk,....but yer'lots closer to Hill--- LOL > > _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 18 20:35:31 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "DOUG ODOM" , Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:26:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Australia Doug welcome back from the land of OZ. Glad to hear you had ssome great run down there. Congradulations! Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 04:24:58 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Bill & Dee Bennett" , Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 05:21:18 -0600 Subject: Re: Time Dilation/ Emergency's Bill I am out wiring the car.... sorting through the lessons of life is long term project... Here are Two comments to add to the fuel for thought.... Rick is Right....E=MC2 what that really means to me.... is ENERGY IS EQUAL TO THE MASS TIMES SPEED OF LIGHT SQUARED or Velocity Squared..... SOOOOO if I have a crash..... The More mass I bring to the dance and the faster I go the harder I am going to crash....( okay Dave here's your cue to jabber bout light weight cars being better ) Point Being....SECURE your Ballast well my Freinds... it's going to be in for quite a ride... Secure your body BETTER.... The next thing about Time dialation is the physical things that your body is doing while you go down a course... in Shelly's case it was a 4 second deal... in our case it'a a 2 minute deal unless your on a short course like the lakes....which for us is just less then 30 seconds.... Your body goes through some changes as it precieves a threat against it.... the Muscles constrict...( seat get sucked up) and you Gulp in Air... thereby oxegenating the blood... and since the blood doesn't flow freely to the body it goes to the brain where the mind goes into an overdrive situation with the added adrenilin..... This allows you to think in High Speed and everything you ever thought of comes back to you..... Lesson..... Sit in your car.... think about a Fire... what are you going to do... put your hands on the fire handles and fuel shut off.... then the Parachute after the fire is calmed....( pulling it in a roaring fire didin't make much sense to me ) same goes for how you want to shut down the motor in the event of a simple failure.... THINK it out now.... sit there and look stupid it's okay.....( I recommend closing the garage door so the locals don't think your Loco...) All of this simple self training will be well worth your time should an event like this actually occur as when your mind goes into it's search mode during a actual failure and it will come up with what you trained it to do.... ( don't have an answer to the situation at hand and you get your life played back and you Freeze.... Hmmm that don't sound like a better answer ) See why I was quite on the issue...... Kinda like Rick's Gasket deal... the training to drive a car is something I know a bit about ..... K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Doug Anderson" Cc: ; "Land Speed List" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Fw: Time Dilation > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" > To: "Doug Anderson" ; ; > > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: Time Dilation > > > > Seriously folks I think this got a little more cosmic than I expected it > to. > > Basically what I was referring to was the fact that what is actually a 30 > > sec run felt much longer. During Shelly Anderson's inteviewed her > statement > > was the effect that a 5 sec run seemed to last for minutes. And she was > able > > to "think" in complete sentences. That is all I was talking about. I think > > Rich's Einstein statement was tongue and cheek at least thats what I took > it > > as anyway. > > "Keith where you at when I need help keeping this list lively" > > Bill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Anderson" > > To: ; > > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 9:54 PM > > Subject: Re: Time Dilation > > > > > > > From: RAWAWA@aol.com > > > Reply-To: RAWAWA@aol.com > > > To: land-speed@autox.team.net > > > Subject: Time Dilation > > > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:17:04 EST > > > > > > Seriously ,LSR fans, comparing the speed of light to 300 mph can't > > possibly > > > explain any individuals' on-track experiences,whether drags or LSR...It > > > would > > > seem more likely that we are so "wired" and endo-morphed up that we have > > > such > > > vivid recall. Considering a past thread, if we drive reversed-body > > > roadsters > > > at high speeds on the long course,can we go back in time ?.....Jack,are > > you > > > there ?. ................Bob K/GL time machine Wanner in NY > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > AB-SO-LOOOOTLY there Bobber > > > > > > > > > THAT is WHY we all like such old cars.....(and "old") technology. > > > > > > -Dirty Doug, also in New Yawk,....but yer'lots closer to Hill--- LOL > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 04:34:43 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Nafzger" , "Jon Wennerberg" , Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 05:31:08 -0600 Subject: Re: Back to trucks, please Jon.... I kinda like what you said and agree with you on average.... but like Howard said lots of folks don't have the space in thier life for a TOW truck and daily driver.... I own a straight Truck as well... it's an OLD international..... We call it ODI..... "old dead international " Lately I have been having a fascination with a 1948 Ford RV called the "Tour Wagon" I keep thinking one of these with a Powerstoke drivetrain would be a BLAST to have as a tow vehicle.... I don't see me acting on this thank God.... I just think it would be Cool.... I DON'T CAMP..... I would still stay in Motel's.... but what a cool way to get there..... Keith ( 20 yrs of camping.... NO THANKS give me the keys to the Holiday Inn anyday ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nafzger" To: "Jon Wennerberg" ; "LSR list (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: Re: Back to trucks, please > Jon, > Thanks for the input. I'm sure for heavy hauling what you say is correct > but most of us use our pickups all year (50 weeks) for general > transportation and haul the race trailer for two weeks. I really don't think > I could justify or would want to drive an F-650 or F-750 with a CAT diesel > for daily transportation. You are absolutely correct about SOME > applications. > Howard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Wennerberg" > To: "LSR list (E-mail)" > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 1:32 PM > Subject: Back to trucks, please > > > > Okay, boys and girls. I've been reading, I've been observing - and the > > recent question about trucks for hauling hits a point where maybe I can > > offer some input. > > > > My company runs a pair of medium-duty trucks (26,000 # GVW) about 125,000 > > miles/year each. Take a look at them at www.infodestruction.com if you'd > > like. We haul medical waste, confidential documents, and an occasional > > motorcycle. What I've learned is: DO NOT BUY A PICKUP TRUCK, no matter > how > > carefully you spec it, if you're going to haul anything bigger than 4x8 > > plywood! You'll waste money if you do!! > > > > That is: we drive all over our territory in a pair of "medium-duty" > > trucks - a '93 F-700 and a '99 C6500. The Ford has a Cummins 5.9L "B" > > turbo, the Chevy a Cat 7.2L 3126Bs. Both, in case you're not familiar > with > > their nomenclature, are diesel motors. The Ford has about 450,000 miles > on > > it (I say about 'cuz the odometer has broken several times - the hour > meter > > shows around 11,000 hrs, which at 40 mph/average is about where I think it > > is); the Chevy has 125k miles on the clock. The Ford has never been > opened, > > save for one front head gasket at about 350k miles. The Chevy is still > > untouched. > > > > Both were intended to haul cargo around Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and > were > > ordered with 18k-26k gross loads in mind. Each has a straight six-speed, > > but the Ford has 4.33 gears, the Chevy 3.73's. Both run 10R22.5 radial > > Group IV tires. Both trucks have delivered about 11 mpg since new, as > > expected for the way I've got them set. > > > > Keeping all of this (and 'way more) data in mind, I would certainly > suggest > > buying a trailer-hauling vehicle in the MID-size range, such as these, > > rather than a pickup that's pushed to the max. Here's why: > > > > These trucks can be built specifically for the job. When spec'ing the > Chevy > > I talked to the Caterpillar engineers to let them know what body I'd be > > using, which engine rating, which tires, and so on - and they told me, > after > > checking with their computer program, what my fuel mileage would be. So I > > could therefore re-design the truck to maximize the economy (or, as it > > turned out, other parameters which were of interest to me). > > > > How could this be of help to a race team? Well, imagine that you could, > > first of all, build a hauling truck that you knew would do your job for > > years and years - not just one or two seasons? Second, think of being > able > > to spec a hauler truck that had the air-suspension seats that you've > always > > wanted - at a cost that's less than "Captain > > Chair's" in a custom pickup? Or a crew cab with enough room. Think > about > > ordering with gearing that'd let scoot down the highway and still tug out > of > > the glop when it has rained. > > > > Then there's the thought of a "real" truck engine. No "indirect" > > combustion, there are low revs to save wear and tear, and there's the idea > > of not having to trade in every couple of years. > > > > How about ordering a "low-profile" mid-size truck with the engine, gears, > > cab, and everything else you want? Exactly - - no compromises!! The cost > > will be darn near the same as a "fancy" pickup; the life expectancy will > be > > at least a handful of years or longer, and you'll be able to design your > own > > truck without padding the pockets of the "pickup truck" factories. You'll > > save money over the long run -- and your truck will do the job 'way > better. > > > > I'll defend my statements at your request. > > > > Jon > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 07:07:50 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:23:25 -0600 Subject: Paul Vanderly Does anyone have Paul's number? He has that pretty little Roadster that had a mishap at Maxton....a couple of years ago... Keith Turk Austin Healey 100, Bugeye, Box sprites, Bonneville Camaro ( Land Speed Racer) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 07:27:01 2001 From: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:28:50 -0600 Subject: Emergency's Hey Keith, Your "LESSON" is just about the most valuable planning that one can do with the cockpit. It will, no kiddin', save your life. Hey everybody.....do it!!!!!! Excellent subject Keith! Skip (who doesn't disagree with everything!) > >Lesson..... Sit in your car.... think about a Fire... what are you going to >do... put your hands on the fire handles and fuel shut off.... then the >Parachute after the fire is calmed....( pulling it in a roaring fire didin't >make much sense to me ) same goes for how you want to shut down the motor >in the event of a simple failure.... THINK it out now.... sit there and >look stupid it's okay.....( I recommend closing the garage door so the >locals don't think your Loco...) All of this simple self training will be >well worth your time should an event like this actually occur as when your >mind goes into it's search mode during a actual failure and it will come up >with what you trained it to do.... ( don't have an answer to the situation >at hand and you get your life played back and you Freeze.... Hmmm that don't >sound like a better answer ) > >See why I was quite on the issue...... Kinda like Rick's Gasket deal... the >training to drive a car is something I know a bit about ..... K /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 07:41:05 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: , Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:37:03 -0600 Subject: Re: Emergency's Skip it really is a good subject and one of my Favorite.... we have beat it up a couple of times... but there are new folks on the list that really should hear these things over and over again.... Dave talked about John Goodman loosing a Wheel down in Australia and it got me to thinking about how I would handle that situation... and what the car would feel like if a tire went down.... simple problems at hwy speeds but another issue entirely above Two Bills.... Kinda like what do you do in the event of a SPIN? curiosity what are the thoughts out there on Clutching the car and putting it in Neutral? Parachutes? I know we have covered this.... but again a little refresher never hurts.... Keith ---------- > From: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham > To: Keith Turk ; land-speed@autox.team.net > Subject: Emergency's > Date: Monday, March 19, 2001 8:28 AM > > Hey Keith, > Your "LESSON" is just about the most valuable planning that one can do with > the cockpit. It will, no kiddin', save your life. Hey everybody.....do it!!!!!! > Excellent subject Keith! > Skip (who doesn't disagree with everything!) > > > > >Lesson..... Sit in your car.... think about a Fire... what are you going to > >do... put your hands on the fire handles and fuel shut off.... then the > >Parachute after the fire is calmed....( pulling it in a roaring fire didin't > >make much sense to me ) same goes for how you want to shut down the motor > >in the event of a simple failure.... THINK it out now.... sit there and > >look stupid it's okay.....( I recommend closing the garage door so the > >locals don't think your Loco...) All of this simple self training will be > >well worth your time should an event like this actually occur as when your > >mind goes into it's search mode during a actual failure and it will come up > >with what you trained it to do.... ( don't have an answer to the situation > >at hand and you get your life played back and you Freeze.... Hmmm that don't > >sound like a better answer ) > > > >See why I was quite on the issue...... Kinda like Rick's Gasket deal... the > >training to drive a car is something I know a bit about ..... K /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 08:40:09 2001 From: john robinson To: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:39:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Emergency's Howdy, when practicing, have full gear on, and be strapped in, you'll find out that the suit/belts slow you down, if you make a mistake, and practice pull the wrong handle in an incorrect order, REPEAT THE PRACTICE >>CORRECTLY<< THREE times! or you >will< remember it the incorrect way .... (skydiving has taught me something) To: "Keith Turk" , Subject: Emergency's Hey Keith, Your "LESSON" is just about the most valuable planning that one can do with the cockpit. It will, no kiddin', save your life. Hey everybody.....do it!!!!!! Excellent subject Keith! Skip (who doesn't disagree with everything!) > >Lesson..... Sit in your car.... think about a Fire... what are you going to >do... put your hands on the fire handles and fuel shut off.... then the >Parachute after the fire is calmed....( pulling it in a roaring fire didin't >make much sense to me ) same goes for how you want to shut down the motor >in the event of a simple failure.... THINK it out now.... sit there and >look stupid it's okay.....( I recommend closing the garage door so the >locals don't think your Loco...) All of this simple self training will be >well worth your time should an event like this actually occur as when your >mind goes into it's search mode during a actual failure and it will come up >with what you trained it to do.... ( don't have an answer to the situation >at hand and you get your life played back and you Freeze.... Hmmm that don't >sound like a better answer ) > >See why I was quite on the issue...... Kinda like Rick's Gasket deal... the >training to drive a car is something I know a bit about ..... K John Robinson, Mechanician Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin 1513 University Ave. Madison, Wi. 53706 608-262-3606 FAX 608-265-2316 Current World Land Speed Record Holder Bonneville Salt Flats H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt 131.333 MPH set 1995 136.666 MPH set 1996 140.292 MPH set 2000 144.396 MPH set 2000 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 08:47:04 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:46:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Emergency's Dave talked about John Goodman loosing a Wheel down in Australia and it got me to thinking about how I would handle that situation... and what the car would feel like if a tire went down.... simple problems at hwy speeds but another issue entirely above Two Bills.... Kinda like what do you do in the event of a SPIN? curiosity what are the thoughts out there on Clutching the car and putting it in Neutral? Parachutes? I know we have covered this.... but again a little refresher never hurts.... No spins with the Alpha but lost a rear tire at 235 a couple of years ago. The driver, Rich Manchen, dumped it in neutral, dropped a parachute, STAYED OFF THE BRAKES, and coasted to a straight stop in the emergency area between the courses. Dan (don't know if I could have done it, but now know the procedure) Warner /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 09:02:34 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:01:25 -0800 Subject: Emergencys Keith's remarks on safety are a good reminder that everyone needs to think about. Adding to this is if you have made any major changes to the drivers compartment it will be to your benefit to get into the vehicle with a complete driving suit, helmet, gloves and boots. Get strapped in, check to see if you can reach all of the safety equipment. Plan an order in what to do when something goes wrong.Have someone turn out the lights and yell fire. See what it takes to get out of the vehicle. If you feel the vehicle is getting loose and in the spin mode get on the chute and then get the clutch in. It's hard on the engine and tires when going backwards , and if supercharged could save the blower from lifting. Fire is our biggest fear, be prepared and know to automatically go for the fire systems first. Then try not to panic but when you feel safe turn to the patrols or emergency crews along the course. Most of all wear all of your fire protective equipment. I am sure there will be remarks from others on the list regarding the safety issues. Read them all,it could make a difference in the outcome of the ride. Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 09:10:57 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "Dan Warner" , Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:17:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Emergency's Dan, list, in a spin would it be a good idea to keep the throttle about halfway down to keep the rear wheels spinning? Seems to me that at this point, you don't want the car to "get a bite" on the surface, but just scrub off speed and come to a stop. Jerry in Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Warner" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Emergency's > Dave talked about John Goodman loosing a Wheel down in Australia and it got > me to thinking about how I would handle that situation... and what the car > would feel like if a tire went down.... simple problems at hwy speeds but > another issue entirely above Two Bills.... > > Kinda like what do you do in the event of a SPIN? curiosity what are the > thoughts out there on Clutching the car and putting it in Neutral? > Parachutes? I know we have covered this.... but again a little refresher > never hurts.... > > > > No spins with the Alpha but lost a rear tire at 235 a couple of years ago. > The driver, Rich Manchen, dumped it in neutral, dropped a parachute, STAYED > OFF THE BRAKES, and coasted to a straight stop in the emergency area between > the courses. > > Dan (don't know if I could have done it, but now know the procedure) Warner /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 09:50:17 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:49:37 EST Subject: Re: Emergency's In a message dated 03/19/2001 6:42:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, kturk@ala.net writes: << Kinda like what do you do in the event of a SPIN? curiosity what are the thoughts out there on Clutching the car and putting it in Neutral? Parachutes? I know we have covered this.... but again a little refresher never hurts.... >> Having joined the "Spin-Club" at Bonneville in the early 90's, here's my brief reflection. Once the car had swapped-ends and I realized that I was a passenger and no longer in any degree of control I pulled the QC out of gear, shut off the mag and the fuel, and waited for the ride to end. My C-4 automatic is a reverse-pattern, so I abandoned an idea of looking for neutral (located right next door to reverse) and waited for the odyssey to end. As it turned out, the car put the heavy end towards the desired direction of travel making a 180 deg swing, then made a 90 deg swing to the left and then the right before coasting backwards to a stop directly opposite Gary Cagle in the timing tower, chattering on the CB about the incident.............Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 10:43:43 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "DrMayf" , Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:39:24 -0600 Subject: Re: Time Dilation/ Emergency's huh...... Laughing hysterically... only Larry could come up with an add here... To damn funny..... Keith ---------- > From: DrMayf > To: Keith Turk ; Bill & Dee Bennett ; Doug Anderson > Cc: RAWAWA@aol.com; Land Speed List > Subject: Re: Time Dilation/ Emergency's > Date: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:06 AM > > Ahem, I think we are not posting all uncle Albert's energy equation. E = m > C^2 is the part that shows how to convert energy into mass. The rest of the > equation is a radical under the right hand side... > > > E = (m * c^2) / ( sqr root (1 - v / c) > > In this way as the speed of the craft, v, approaches c, then energy becomes > infinite in moving the mass to the speed of light. > > mayf > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Turk" > To: "Bill & Dee Bennett" ; "Doug Anderson" > > Cc: ; "Land Speed List" > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:21 AM > Subject: Re: Time Dilation/ Emergency's > > > > Bill I am out wiring the car.... sorting through the lessons of life is > long > > term project... > > > > Here are Two comments to add to the fuel for thought.... Rick is > > Right....E=MC2 what that really means to me.... is ENERGY IS EQUAL TO > THE > > MASS TIMES SPEED OF LIGHT SQUARED or Velocity Squared..... SOOOOO if I > > have a crash..... The More mass I bring to the dance and the faster I go > the > > harder I am going to crash....( okay Dave here's your cue to jabber bout > > light weight cars being better ) > > > > Point Being....SECURE your Ballast well my Freinds... it's going to be in > > for quite a ride... Secure your body BETTER.... > > > > The next thing about Time dialation is the physical things that your body > is > > doing while you go down a course... in Shelly's case it was a 4 second > > deal... in our case it'a a 2 minute deal unless your on a short course > like > > the lakes....which for us is just less then 30 seconds.... > > > > Your body goes through some changes as it precieves a threat against > it.... > > the Muscles constrict...( seat get sucked up) and you Gulp in Air... > thereby > > oxegenating the blood... and since the blood doesn't flow freely to the > body > > it goes to the brain where the mind goes into an overdrive situation with > > the added adrenilin..... This allows you to think in High Speed and > > everything you ever thought of comes back to you..... > > > > Lesson..... Sit in your car.... think about a Fire... what are you going > to > > do... put your hands on the fire handles and fuel shut off.... then the > > Parachute after the fire is calmed....( pulling it in a roaring fire > didin't > > make much sense to me ) same goes for how you want to shut down the > motor > > in the event of a simple failure.... THINK it out now.... sit there and > > look stupid it's okay.....( I recommend closing the garage door so the > > locals don't think your Loco...) All of this simple self training will > be > > well worth your time should an event like this actually occur as when your > > mind goes into it's search mode during a actual failure and it will come > up > > with what you trained it to do.... ( don't have an answer to the situation > > at hand and you get your life played back and you Freeze.... Hmmm that > don't > > sound like a better answer ) > > > > See why I was quite on the issue...... Kinda like Rick's Gasket deal... > the > > training to drive a car is something I know a bit about ..... K > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" > > To: "Doug Anderson" > > Cc: ; "Land Speed List" > > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 9:10 PM > > Subject: Fw: Time Dilation > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" > > > To: "Doug Anderson" ; ; > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:08 PM > > > Subject: Re: Time Dilation > > > > > > > > > > Seriously folks I think this got a little more cosmic than I expected > it > > > to. > > > > Basically what I was referring to was the fact that what is actually a > > 30 > > > > sec run felt much longer. During Shelly Anderson's inteviewed her > > > statement > > > > was the effect that a 5 sec run seemed to last for minutes. And she > was > > > able > > > > to "think" in complete sentences. That is all I was talking about. I > > think > > > > Rich's Einstein statement was tongue and cheek at least thats what I > > took > > > it > > > > as anyway. > > > > "Keith where you at when I need help keeping this list lively" > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Doug Anderson" > > > > To: ; > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 9:54 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Time Dilation > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: RAWAWA@aol.com > > > > > Reply-To: RAWAWA@aol.com > > > > > To: land-speed@autox.team.net > > > > > Subject: Time Dilation > > > > > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:17:04 EST > > > > > > > > > > Seriously ,LSR fans, comparing the speed of light to 300 mph can't > > > > possibly > > > > > explain any individuals' on-track experiences,whether drags or > > LSR...It > > > > > would > > > > > seem more likely that we are so "wired" and endo-morphed up that we > > have > > > > > such > > > > > vivid recall. Considering a past thread, if we drive reversed-body > > > > > roadsters > > > > > at high speeds on the long course,can we go back in time > > ?.....Jack,are > > > > you > > > > > there ?. ................Bob K/GL time machine Wanner in NY > > > > > > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > AB-SO-LOOOOTLY there Bobber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT is WHY we all like such old cars.....(and "old") technology. > > > > > > > > > > -Dirty Doug, also in New Yawk,....but yer'lots closer to Hill--- > LOL > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 10:59:10 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: Keith Turk Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:54:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Time Dilation/ Emergency's Dr. Mayf is there any reference to coffee in this equation reducing the amount of energy required?.. The reason I ask is it takes a tremendous amount of energy to get my fat mass out of bed but less to move much faster after a cup of coffee... Maybe 'Al' missed something ????? Dave Dahlgren Keith Turk wrote: > > huh...... Laughing hysterically... only Larry could come up with an add > here... > > To damn funny..... Keith > > ---------- > > From: DrMayf > > To: Keith Turk ; Bill & Dee Bennett > ; Doug Anderson > > Cc: RAWAWA@aol.com; Land Speed List > > Subject: Re: Time Dilation/ Emergency's > > Date: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:06 AM > > > > Ahem, I think we are not posting all uncle Albert's energy equation. E = > m > > C^2 is the part that shows how to convert energy into mass. The rest of > the > > equation is a radical under the right hand side... > > > > > > E = (m * c^2) / ( sqr root (1 - v / c) > > > > In this way as the speed of the craft, v, approaches c, then energy > becomes > > infinite in moving the mass to the speed of light. > > > > mayf /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 11:04:07 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: JERRY FOSTER Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:03:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Emergency's Jerry, I have had the pleasure of a few spins. The thing that I noticed was that there isn't a lot of thinking going on. If it isn't automatic it probably won't happen. Hopefully, we won't have the experience often enough to give opportunity to create the correct driving habits. I do think that you learn from each experience, however. I have been taught to keep the throttle down, it definitely could help, but the best advice I have is to avoid getting into that situation in the first place. It is usually our dogged determination to finish a run regardless of...you fill the blank, that gets us in trouble. Better to lift and make another run. I have found that when you lift you will generally regain control anyway. By lifting, I mean to reduce the throttle a bit, don't come completely off the throttle, or you may create a new problem. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC JERRY FOSTER wrote: > > Dan, list, in a spin would it be a good idea to keep the throttle about > halfway down to keep the rear wheels spinning? Seems to me that at this > point, you don't want the car to "get a bite" on the surface, but just scrub > off speed and come to a stop. Jerry in Dallas /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 11:47:18 2001 From: "\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth" To: "Thomas E. Bryant" , Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:55:39 -0800 Subject: Re: Emergency's Tom is spot on about "automatic" my flying instructor drilled me to (what seemed at the time) boredom about what to do if the engine quit while in flight. We are talking single engine fixed pitch props here, nothing fancy. I had been flying for two years "illegally" so I thought a lot of his chatter was just to satisfy the FAA. I got a big lesson during my first legal flight with a passenger -- a 70 year old grandmother who wanted to see her farm from the air before she died and had never been in a plane before. We were about 2,000 feet off the deck when a deafening racket started. The gauges looked good, but I automatically picked up the mic, declared an emergency and TOLD Midway tower we would be landing ASAP and not talking again until we had touched down. John had pounded in to me: aviate -- fly it navigate -- figure out where you are communicate -- then talk, to yourself or others The plane had just been overhauled and the mechanic had failed to tighten the oil drain plug. We scorched the engine, but landed without mishap. To her credit, "granny" wanted to find another plane and go right back up and see her farm. Me, I called my instructor and told him how much I appreciated what he had taught me. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy says on the first page, "Don't Panic" I figure the only way not to is to know what to do before you have to do it! Speedy Regards, "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth LandSpeed Productions Telling stories with words and pictures ------------------------o0o-------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: "JERRY FOSTER" Cc: "Dan Warner" ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:03 AM Subject: Re: Emergency's > Jerry, > I have had the pleasure of a few spins. The thing that I noticed was > that there isn't a lot of thinking going on. If it isn't automatic it > probably won't happen. Hopefully, we won't have the experience often > enough to give opportunity to create the correct driving habits. I do > think that you learn from each experience, however. > > I have been taught to keep the throttle down, it definitely could help, > but the best advice I have is to avoid getting into that situation in > the first place. It is usually our dogged determination to finish a run > regardless of...you fill the blank, that gets us in trouble. Better to > lift and make another run. I have found that when you lift you will > generally regain control anyway. By lifting, I mean to reduce the > throttle a bit, don't come completely off the throttle, or you may > create a new problem. > > Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC > > JERRY FOSTER wrote: > > > > Dan, list, in a spin would it be a good idea to keep the throttle about > > halfway down to keep the rear wheels spinning? Seems to me that at this > > point, you don't want the car to "get a bite" on the surface, but just scrub > > off speed and come to a stop. Jerry in Dallas /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 12:09:17 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:08:59 -0000 Subject: Australia Doug, you're doing yourself a disservice, anyone who finds the story of your trip "boring" is obviously on the wrong list, and I'm sure most would agree you can't make the story too long, well done. Paul. p.s. for the sake of a "foreigner" explain the "big Ditch" bit! /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 14:51:48 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net, saltrat@pro-blend.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:50:06 EST Subject: Re: Emergency's Keith, I'm a long way from having a car to run at Maxton, but these tips are great. I've got quite a pile of printouts from everyone on this list. Thank you! Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 16:42:12 2001 From: "Doug Anderson" To: drmayf@teknett.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:41:40 -0000 Subject: Re: Time Dilation/ Emergency's From: "DrMayf" Subject: Re: Time Dilation/ Emergency's Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 Ahem, I think we are not posting all uncle Albert's energy equation. E = m C^2 is the part that shows how to convert energy into mass. The rest of the equation is a radical under the right hand side... E = (m * c^2) / ( sqr root (1 - v / c) In this way as the speed of the craft, v, approaches c, then energy becomes infinite in moving the mass to the speed of light. mayf -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>------> OH man..... NOW We're really startin' to talk ROCKET SCIENCE... ...yer way over my head now boys LOL -Dirty Doug in New Yawk, ( who wuz gonna be a "lefty" till my Gramma changed me into a "righty" -does that count ? -and, after all,I have been considered a "radical" mosta my life. ......and I do usually vote "right side of the isle -mostly. So I oughtta qualify. ) _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 17:06:15 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: , Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:02:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Emergency's there is this enormous pool of talent here.... Simply as the questions and you will get answers.... Recommendation #1 Buy a RULE BOOK ( ECTA and SCTA if your going to run both ) #2.... read the dang thing.... ( those of you in Alabama drop by here Miss Kathy gives free reading lessons and is a great hand sign interpeter ( she always tells me what that other driver ment ) # 3 ask questions You don't have to do it in that order.... but it helps form semi intelligent questions.... not that that is required... Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Emergency's > Keith, I'm a long way from having a car to run at Maxton, but these tips are > great. I've got quite a pile of printouts from everyone on this list. Thank > you! Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 17:50:46 2001 From: DaCudaKid@aol.com To: ddahlgren@snet.net, kturk@ala.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:49:33 EST Subject: Re: Time Dilation/ Emergency's In a message dated 3/19/01 10:00:42 AM, ddahlgren@snet.net writes: << Dr. Mayf is there any reference to coffee in this equation reducing the amount of energy required?.. The reason I ask is it takes a tremendous amount of energy to get my fat mass out of bed but less to move much faster after a cup of coffee... Maybe 'Al' missed something ????? Dave Dahlgren >> Well what you forgot it that it takes more energy to initially get mass in motion than it does to accellerate it from one speed to another. Now, you might look at the coffee as an accellerant and gives you that boost you need once you've gotten on your feet? Of course to back this theory with fact, maybe we should brew a super strong pot of the elixir and see what happens, shall I slice you a cup or two? Mike in L.A. (where the coffee MUST be strong if ya need to cut it with a knife) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 18:54:11 2001 From: RAWAWA@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:53:37 EST Subject: Phone scams The following was forwarded to me and should be considered as viable,... > > << > > " We checked this out with the phone company, and it is a real scam > that the inmates do.....tell everyone you know about > this....... :) > > I received a telephone call last evening from an individual > identifying himself as an AT&T Service technician who was > conducting a test on telephone lines. He stated that to > complete the test I should touch nine(9),zero(0), the pound > sign (#), and then hang up. > > Luckily, I was suspicious and refused. Upon contacting the > telephone company, I was informed that by pushing 90#, you give > the requesting individual full access to your telephone line, > which enables them to place long distance calls billed to your > home phone number. > > I was further informed that this scam has been originating from many local > jails/prisons. > > I have also verified this information with UCB Telecom, Pacific Bell, > MCI, Bell Atlantic and GTE. Please beware. DO NOT press 90# for ANYONE. > > The GTE Security Department requested that I share this information with > EVERYONE I KNOW. > > PLEASE pass this on to everyone YOU know. If you have mailing lists and/or > newsletters from organizations you are connected with, I encourage you to > pass > on this information to them, too. After checking with Verizon they said it > was > true so do not dial (9),zero(0), the pound sign # and hang up for anyone." ...........................Soooo,be careful out there.......Bob W /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 19:08:29 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: lanspeed@west.net, saltracer@awwwsome.com, fosterap@flash.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:07:38 EST Subject: Re: Emergency's Louise, WOW!!! Now I have a whole new respect for you. Being calm in tough spot is easy to say, hard to do. Race drivers learn (try) to be calm, it comes with time. But in a plane it just means you absolutely need your wits about you. It's all tough just depends on repetition. Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 19:10:06 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net, saltrat@pro-blend.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:08:43 EST Subject: Re: Emergency's Keith, Very good info for the newbies & us wanabes Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 19:27:21 2001 From: John Goodman To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:28:43 -0600 Subject: Emergencies at speed Hi Dan W. and list: It was a good question asked about what to do in a high speed emergency. Of course, each case will be different but one technique pounded into my head from all the years of road racing and has worked in almost every minor and major speed emergency I have been involved with was to simply DO NOTHING IN A HURRY! The last thing you wish to do is something based on reaction or emotion. Even at 200+ mph, there is plenty of time to assess the degree of trouble you are in. You may be surprised how fast your brain works when called upon to do so. In my case, the only hint of something going wrong was a slight wiggle of the right front wheel. The brain immediately said that this was not good because there is no suspension at the front and this type of movement is abnormal. About that time, the wheel and axle parted company with the car. If it weren't for the tie rod, the wheel would have come off completely (still not sure this was a good or bad thing). Had I reacted and pulled the chute, I may have created a problem I didn't need at the time. It just took a brief moment to know that the car was tracking straight without major steering input. Things where working well enough to complete the run on three wheels. I should have probably gone for the motorcycle record. Anyway, this is just my take on what a driver should do when faced with a high speed emergency. John Goodman << Subject: Re: Emergency's Dave talked about John Goodman loosing a Wheel down in Australia and it got me to thinking about how I would handle that situation... and what the car would feel like if a tire went down.... simple problems at hwy speeds but another issue entirely above Two Bills.... Kinda like what do you do in the event of a SPIN? curiosity what are the thoughts out there on Clutching the car and putting it in Neutral? Parachutes? I know we have covered this.... but again a little refresher never hurts.... No spins with the Alpha but lost a rear tire at 235 a couple of years ago. The driver, Rich Manchen, dumped it in neutral, dropped a parachute, STAYED OFF THE BRAKES, and coasted to a straight stop in the emergency area between the courses. Dan (don't know if I could have done it, but now know the procedure) Warner>>> /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 19:34:24 2001 From: Ed Van Scoy To: Flowbench@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:34:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Emergency's Wanabes? Yeah right, I wanna go as fast as you do! Ed Flowbench@aol.com wrote: > Keith, Very good info for the newbies & us wanabes > > Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 19:51:12 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:50:43 EST Subject: Tires Thanks for the impute on the tires. Now I have another question about speed ratings. The chart at the Tire Rack gives the speeds of V ratings at 149 mph and Z as 149 mph and over. The rule book says up to 200 mph on these two ratings I was curious as why they are different from the chart. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 19:58:16 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Ed Van Scoy" , Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:54:15 -0600 Subject: Re: Emergency's Yeah.... I " wannabe a Driver as fast as MIKE... There are several differnt discussions going on here bout this emergency stuff.... Let me give you a second take on what John said.... This momentary pause he is talking about reminded me about a Statement I heard years ago from an Air Force Puke....( kind words for my fellow aviators ) His answer was the first thing you do is check the Clock.... his thought being is it gave you a second to evaluate the situation....and that evaluation Process is critical to coming up with the correct output corrections.... John's incident with the wheel most likely only took 1 second to develope and less then that to come up with the corrective measures....( which equated to maintaining your cool and contemplating what the record is in G/Fuel/ Motorcycle .... Classic engineering type answer ) As your sitting there in the car.... the deal is to not only State Fire and get out.... but to think about how your going to recognize a fire... or the difference between a fire and an overheating condition.... do you need to check the gages? Is the water Temp light on? do you see Fire or is it steam? Then the corrective measures as appropreate for your car... Joe your on your own here bud.... can't help you with a scooter fire... Lift your leg? ( didn't you do that already in the oil? )(nevermind) Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Emergency's > Wanabes? Yeah right, I wanna go as fast as you do! > Ed > > > Flowbench@aol.com wrote: > > > Keith, Very good info for the newbies & us wanabes > > > > Mike > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 20:00:23 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: edvs@uswest.net, Flowbench@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:59:04 EST Subject: Re: Emergency's Ed, it's all relative. Are you bringing your parts over tomorrow. I will not be in the shop but it can be dropped off if you like. Or would you rather wait and talk with me? Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 20:14:26 2001 From: Joe Amo To: Keith Turk Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:41:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Emergency's What can I say, I'm Polish.....the only thing that clued me in on the little fire was seeing a safety truck approaching very rapidly!!...... I was pissed....8 mph over the record on qualifier... all I needed was about 3mph more on that run to get the record and 2 club!!!...yep I was gunna set the world on fire....I was off a little Joe > > ... Joe > your on your own here bud.... can't help you with a scooter fire... Lift > your leg? ( didn't you do that already in the oil? )(nevermind) > > Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Van Scoy" > To: > Cc: ; ; > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: Emergency's > > > Wanabes? Yeah right, I wanna go as fast as you do! > > Ed > > > > > > Flowbench@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Keith, Very good info for the newbies & us wanabes > > > > > > Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 19 20:47:38 2001 From: Henry Deaton To: "Land Speed List" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:46:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Time Dialation I think she was talking what happens when someone is really experienced at what they are doing and is totally focused on the moment. For example, when I was learning to be a white-water river guide some years ago the experienced guides talked about how eventually time would seem to slow down on the river. As a trainee things always seemed to happen way to fast for me to react, and I must have hit every single rock sticking up in that river. At the beginning of the week I'd close my eyes at night and see all those rocks coming right at me. But, eventually, with experience and time my guiding became more and more ingrained and I didn't hardly even notice those rocks anymore, and sure didn't sweat over them. I was now gliding by them with my attention focused much farther down the river on things that were more important. So, I think that with experience you don't have to spend as much time thinking about the basics. And that allows you to be more totally focused on the moment, and more focused on the things that matter most. Henry Deaton SF, CA (btw, I started welding my frame last weekend. Watch this space for more info on the Arc Angel.) At 01:42 PM 3/18/2001 -0500, Bill & Dee Bennett wrote: >I was watching a TV interview with a top fuel dragster driver last weekend. >She made a comment about "Time Dilation". She made references of being able >to think in complete sentences and multiple events during a 5 second pass. >This is interesting to me and wonder if anyone could ad anything more to >this. > >Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 05:51:29 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Henry Deaton" , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:47:54 -0600 Subject: Re: Time / Experience I know Louise didn't have any experience in that situation.... but had been trained in what to do.... how to recognize it and what to do in the event of a failure... The point of this exercise is to learn from others failures ... Henry your point about experience can't be over rated... the more comfortable you are in the car/bike the more time your going to have to focus on what is going on around you rather then hanging on and mashing things...... That is why I was saying it's important to sit in the car.....Get comfortable.... THINK I am fortunate enough to have the ECTA to practice with and one of our first Goals this year is to get Brad back in the car.... to get him more exposure.... I raced alot last year.... Brad didn't get much of an opportunity.... Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Deaton" To: "Land Speed List" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Time Dialation > I think she was talking what happens when someone is really experienced at > what they are doing and is totally focused on the moment. > > For example, when I was learning to be a white-water river guide some years > ago the experienced guides talked about how eventually time would seem to > slow down on the river. As a trainee things always seemed to happen way to > fast for me to react, and I must have hit every single rock sticking up in > that river. At the beginning of the week I'd close my eyes at night and see > all those rocks coming right at me. But, eventually, with experience and > time my guiding became more and more ingrained and I didn't hardly even > notice those rocks anymore, and sure didn't sweat over them. I was now > gliding by them with my attention focused much farther down the river on > things that were more important. > > So, I think that with experience you don't have to spend as much time > thinking about the basics. And that allows you to be more totally focused > on the moment, and more focused on the things that matter most. > > Henry Deaton > SF, CA > (btw, I started welding my frame last weekend. Watch this space for more > info on the Arc Angel.) > > > > > At 01:42 PM 3/18/2001 -0500, Bill & Dee Bennett wrote: > >I was watching a TV interview with a top fuel dragster driver last weekend. > >She made a comment about "Time Dilation". She made references of being able > >to think in complete sentences and multiple events during a 5 second pass. > >This is interesting to me and wonder if anyone could ad anything more to > >this. > > > >Bill > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 07:17:51 2001 From: Dick J To: LGMCAFEE@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:17:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Tires Larry, I can only guess at that answer cause I had nothing to do with writing the rule book. But I am glad that it's written the way it is. My guess is that the mfgr speed rating is based on average high speed driving conditions over assorted surfaces with various forces working on those tires. i.e., high speed turns, bumps braking, turning under braking, etc., whereas, LSR is just a nice, steady, constant in (hopefully) one direction, on a relatively smooth surface. Dick J ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 07:49:24 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:50:39 -0500 Subject: Experience/seat time After reading all these experience comments It occurred to me that seat time is the critical issue for many of us. Now unlike drag racing where you can go just about every weekend of the year land speed racers are limited in the number of events we can attend each year. Keith's recommendation about sitting in the car and going through the motions is a great way to try and compensate some want. However I would recommend that all drivers/riders put in as much time in the vehicle under power as possible. Build the car, put a mule motor in, drive it a bunch, get comfortable with the handling and all the controls. Than put the race motor in and go fast. Maxton has been such a great place for us right coasters to practice and test our vehicles. Don McMeekin might be a perfect example. He tested and sorted out his car at Maxton for several years. When he decided to run at Bonneville he was ready. Basically rolled off the trailer and set two world records his first time out. It wasn't a fluke, but rather a lot of preparation and hard work. John Beckett #79, Worlds Fastest Chevette /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 07:51:05 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Dick J'" , LGMCAFEE@aol.com, Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:50:08 -0700 Subject: RE: Tires Also those ratings are for sustained speeds, i.e. 10-20 minutes, at those speeds under adverse conditions. LSR conditions would be pretty benign in comparison. Dale C. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///// Subject: Re: Tires Larry, I can only guess at that answer cause I had nothing to do with writing the rule book. But I am glad that it's written the way it is. My guess is that the mfgr speed rating is based on average high speed driving conditions over assorted surfaces with various forces working on those tires. i.e., high speed turns, bumps braking, turning under braking, etc., whereas, LSR is just a nice, steady, constant in (hopefully) one direction, on a relatively smooth surface. Dick J ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 07:54:12 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:45:45 -0500 Subject: News Flash! Well first it was purple driving suits. Now it snows in Alabama this mourning the first day of spring. Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 09:18:52 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:19:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Tires Duration plays a significant part in the speed ratings of tires. Five miles at 300 MPH at Bonneville is considerably different than 300 MPH for a 1/4 mile. Most tire manufactures have built in a 50 % to 100% redundancy into their tire ratings. Don't know how SCTA decided on the 200 MPH limit on the V or Z rated tires, but it works OK as I have never heard of a problem. John Beckett ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:50 PM Subject: Tires > Thanks for the impute on the tires. Now I have another question about speed > ratings. The chart at the Tire Rack gives the speeds of V ratings at 149 mph > and Z as 149 mph and over. The rule book says up to 200 mph on these two > ratings I was curious as why they are different from the chart. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 09:20:56 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Bill & Dee Bennett" , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:21:13 -0500 Subject: Re: News Flash! Don't know about Alabama, but we have 4 or 5 inches and it's still snowing in No. Carolina. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:45 AM Subject: News Flash! > Well first it was purple driving suits. Now it snows in Alabama this > mourning the first day of spring. > > Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 09:24:47 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "John Beckett" , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:18:58 -0600 Subject: Re: News Flash! As I sit here Freezing on the first day of spring....could someone Please explain this Global warming theory again... Nevermind.... K ---------- > From: John Beckett > To: Bill & Dee Bennett ; Land Speed List > Subject: Re: News Flash! > Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:21 AM > > Don't know about Alabama, but we have 4 or 5 inches and it's still snowing > in No. Carolina. > > JB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" > To: "Land Speed List" > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:45 AM > Subject: News Flash! > > > > Well first it was purple driving suits. Now it snows in Alabama this > > mourning the first day of spring. > > > > Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 09:53:35 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , land-speed@autox.team.net, Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:53:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: You never know what you got if you didn't build it yourself. When I bought my Camaro it was all togther, running, and had made a few passes down the local drag strip befoe it's teenage owner slid off the road and brought the car to an abrupt stop against a couple of huge oak trees. I was told that the 4 bolt 350 was a fresh rebuild with "new" 882 GM heads. When I got the motor apart last week, it sure enough was a fresh rebuild. The cross hatching was still clear as day on the cylinder walls. But, the "new" heads (which were still in fresh gray casting metal) turned out not to be so new. When we dipped them at the machine shop, what shows up, but three drilled, pinned and welded cracks, and one un-drilled, un-pinned and un-welded crack - right through a valve seat. One head good, one head trash. Fortunately for me, the machinist had a set of matching heads that the previous owner had scrapped as a pair when he discovered one head with some serious cracks. One was trash and one was perfect. The machinist gave me the good head. All's well that end's well, but it goes to show, unless you took all the parts out of a box and built it yourself (or a very trusted friend did it for you) you never know what you got. ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 09:55:09 2001 From: "Dan Warner" To: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:54:23 -0800 Subject: Re: News Flash! As I sit here Freezing on the first day of spring....could someone Please explain this Global warming theory again. Here's how it works! We went to Disneyland last Friday, I wore blue shorts. Worked in yard on Sat/Sun., wore shorts grey/tan. Worked in garage yesterday, red shorts. I'm going to be in the garage again today after work, grey shorts again, will have to wash all the others so they can be worn for the rest of the week. Global warming? I like it!!! Dan (tan all over) Warner /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 09:56:52 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Keith Turk'" , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:56:00 -0700 Subject: RE: News Flash! With wind chill, it should be about 88 degrees here today in Arizona. Dale C. OK, you can get back at me come August! :) /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// As I sit here Freezing on the first day of spring....could someone Please explain this Global warming theory again... Nevermind.... K > > Don't know about Alabama, but we have 4 or 5 inches and it's still snowing > in No. Carolina. > > JB > > > Well first it was purple driving suits. Now it snows in Alabama this > > mourning the first day of spring. > > > > Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 10:30:30 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com, kturk@ala.net, landspeedracer@email.msn.com, Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:29:08 EST Subject: Re: News Flash! It is 65% in Sunny Southern Connecticut, time to shoot some more primer in the outside booth. Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 10:57:10 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Dick J" , "Keith Turk" , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:38:13 -0500 Subject: Re: You never know what you got if you didn't build it dick 882's are bad to crack anyway. bout 50% wind up in the trash bin. jb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick J" To: "Keith Turk" ; ; "Skip & Joyce Higginbotham" Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: You never know what you got if you didn't build it yourself. > When I bought my Camaro it was all togther, > running, and had made a few passes down the local > drag strip befoe it's teenage owner slid off the > road and brought the car to an abrupt stop > against a couple of huge oak trees. I was told > that the 4 bolt 350 was a fresh rebuild with > "new" 882 GM heads. When I got the motor apart > last week, it sure enough was a fresh rebuild. > The cross hatching was still clear as day on the > cylinder walls. But, the "new" heads (which were > still in fresh gray casting metal) turned out not > to be so new. When we dipped them at the machine > shop, what shows up, but three drilled, pinned > and welded cracks, and one un-drilled, un-pinned > and un-welded crack - right through a valve seat. > One head good, one head trash. Fortunately for > me, the machinist had a set of matching heads > that the previous owner had scrapped as a pair > when he discovered one head with some serious > cracks. One was trash and one was perfect. The > machinist gave me the good head. All's well that > end's well, but it goes to show, unless you took > all the parts out of a box and built it yourself > (or a very trusted friend did it for you) you > never know what you got. > > > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 10:57:20 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: , , , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:50:38 -0500 Subject: Re: News Flash! It's headed your way Bob. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: News Flash! > It is 65% in Sunny Southern Connecticut, time to shoot some more primer in > the outside booth. Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 10:57:22 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:55:45 -0500 Subject: Re: News Flash, Snow! Saturday I was down at Maxton working on the track, 70+ deg and getting sun burnt. Today it's 32 deg and snowing, 6" and still coming down. Can't even show off my potential tan. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: "John Beckett" ; "Bill & Dee Bennett" ; "Land Speed List" Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: News Flash! > As I sit here Freezing on the first day of spring....could someone Please > explain this Global warming theory again... Nevermind.... > > K > ---------- > > From: John Beckett > > To: Bill & Dee Bennett ; Land Speed List > > > Subject: Re: News Flash! > > Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:21 AM > > > > Don't know about Alabama, but we have 4 or 5 inches and it's still > snowing > > in No. Carolina. > > > > JB > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" > > To: "Land Speed List" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:45 AM > > Subject: News Flash! > > > > > > > Well first it was purple driving suits. Now it snows in Alabama this > > > mourning the first day of spring. > > > > > > Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 11:01:17 2001 From: "Jon Wennerberg" To: "LSR list \(E-mail\)" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:03:00 -0500 Subject: Aerodynamic Leathers? Well, here goes from that guy 'way up there, about 175 miles north of the Green Bay Packers. 262" of snow this year - and it's sunny and 50 right now. Only another foot of snow and we'll break the record - why not go for it? Anyway, this morning I went to the clothing store to get (re)measured for my leathers. They're a couple of years old and a bit "snug here, loose there". I'll return 'em to Z Leathers for the changes as necessary, but wonder (here's the question, folks): What's the opinion on the aerodynamic "hump" that some racers sport on their backs these days? Do the humps do anything but increase the (assumed) coolness of the wearer? Is there a real reduction in drag and other nasty effects? Should I pony up the handful of bucks for a hump to wear this year? Fire away, please. Jon /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 11:25:01 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: Keith Turk Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:35:40 -0800 Subject: Re: News Flash! Keith, Its cloudy here, about sixty-five degrees outside, headed toward the mid-seventies, but I'm freezing, too. It was about eighty degrees in the office this morning when I got here at 6:30 AM, it felt pretty good to me. However, Margaret now has the office A/C on, and too low for my taste. But, I learned a long time ago not to complain! Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC Keith Turk wrote: > > As I sit here Freezing on the first day of spring....could someone Please > explain this Global warming theory again... Nevermind.... > > K /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 11:44:45 2001 From: "Tom Neimeyer" <3cbxs@ev1.net> To: "Land Speed List" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:53:53 -0600 Subject: Hoax, Virus, Urban Legends Folks, If you receive a E-mail alerting you to a scam or virus, you can check it out before you resend it at: http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/HBHoaxInfo.html#risk or http://www.spcug.org/hoax.htm There is some interesting reading on these sites. In the case of the scam Bob reported, people that have business phone systems that require dialing 9 to get an outside line might be concerned but most residential phone systems are not affected. Regards, Tom /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 12:08:23 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:07:52 -0000 Subject: r.e. weather well that's just fine and dandy, it's about minus10 it's blowing 70 mph and about to snow, I'm freezing my ---------- off, and to cap it all off I,m surrounded by foot and mouth desease, it just doesn't get any better than this. Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 12:24:44 2001 From: Dick J To: "Thomas E. Bryant" , Keith Turk Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:24:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: News Flash! --- "Thomas E. Bryant" wrote: But, I learned a long time ago not to complain! Smart Man. Dick J ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 12:27:21 2001 From: Dick J To: John Beckett , Keith Turk Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:27:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: You never know what you got if you didn't build it --- John Beckett wrote: > dick > > 882's are bad to crack anyway. bout 50% wind up > in the trash bin. > > jb Yup, your figures are statistically right on. I had two, one went in the trash bin. The other guy had two, one went in the trash bin. Exactly 50%! I hope that the two I have now can make me about five runs at Maxton and two or three at World of Speed. Then I can save up my pennies and nickels and get a set of Darts. Dick J ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 13:03:31 2001 From: Dick J To: Jon Wennerberg , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:03:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Aerodynamic Leathers? Jon, I just watched the Daytona race last week, and virtually every rider there had the hump. Trust me, those guys don't care about "cool", they care about fast, and if the hump didn't help, they wouldn't be wearing it. Dick J Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 13:40:47 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Jon Wennerberg'" , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:40:00 -0700 Subject: RE: Aerodynamic Leathers? Hi Jon, I can't imagine that it would slow you down and just might help. Unless you're running production, I think you could make greater improvements in drag elsewhere. How much will they charge to add the hump? One advantage to the hump is additional protection to that area of the spine. I'll be using a full spine protector/kidney belt, I'd suggest you did too. I don't personally like the looks of the hump, but I'm considering it for my new leathers (Bates). If it works ... Dale C. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //// Subject: Aerodynamic Leathers? What's the opinion on the aerodynamic "hump" that some racers sport on their backs these days? Do the humps do anything but increase the (assumed) coolness of the wearer? Is there a real reduction in drag and other nasty effects? Should I pony up the handful of bucks for a hump to wear this year? Jon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Thanks, Tom /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 14:49:57 2001 From: Dick J To: John Beckett , Keith Turk Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:47:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: News Flash, Snow! Yeah, but John, think of the contrast when you get out there in your bermuda shorts, shoveling off that driveway, with that great tan. You'll be the envy of all the neighbors. Dick J --- John Beckett wrote: > Saturday I was down at Maxton working on the > track, 70+ deg and getting sun > burnt. Today it's 32 deg and snowing, 6" and > still coming down. Can't even > show off my potential tan. > > JB Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 15:04:06 2001 From: Dick J To: "Clay, Dale" , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:52:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Motorcycle Leathers and Protection --- "Clay, Dale" wrote: > Hi Jon, > I'll be using a full spine > protector/kidney belt, I'd suggest you > did too. Jon, Do you have a spine protector? If not, somebody on this list was considerate enough to give me a fire suit for the cost of UPS. Turn-about is fair play. If you don't have one, contact me off list and I have one you can have for the cost of UPS. Dick J old, broken down, ustahbe motorcycle racer Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 15:48:41 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Dick J'" , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:47:10 -0700 Subject: RE: Motorcycle Leathers and Protection Dick, Nice gesture. Dale C. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Subject: Motorcycle Leathers and Protection If you don't have one, contact me off list and I have one you can have for the cost of UPS. Dick J ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 16:01:28 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: , , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:01:04 EST Subject: Re: News Flash! Whats snow? Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 16:24:12 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: , , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:22:55 -0800 Subject: Re: News Flash! Mike It's the white stuff we see on yonder mountains. Not the bird droppings as on the white cliffs of Dover. Don't need to shovel anything except for the BS from Keith. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: Re: News Flash! > Whats snow? > > Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 16:29:27 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "glen barrett" , , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:20:43 -0500 Subject: Re: News Flash! Heard Keith is bringing snow bals to chat tonight! Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 16:32:29 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Bill & Dee Bennett" , , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:31:16 -0800 Subject: Re: News Flash! Keith has BALLS! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "glen barrett" ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: News Flash! > Heard Keith is bringing snow bals to chat tonight! > > Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 16:51:26 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "paul bland" , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:49:57 -0800 Subject: Re: r.e. weather Paul Like Dan and others here on the gold coast I too have on shorts and spent the day outside working on my motorhome, Cold beer and a 2 mph breeze gave us a wind chill of 82 degrees,( THAT'S ABOVE ZERO) Paul. Enjoy your snow. Glen (getting a sun tan) ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul bland" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: r.e. weather > well that's just fine and dandy, it's about minus10 it's blowing 70 mph and > about to snow, I'm freezing my ---------- off, and to cap it all off I,m > surrounded by foot and mouth desease, it just doesn't get any better than > this. > Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 18:24:29 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "glen barrett" , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:18:59 -0500 Subject: Re: r.e. weather Yeah Glen you have the sun, but do you guys have any electricity? JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "glen barrett" To: "paul bland" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: Re: r.e. weather > Paul > Like Dan and others here on the gold coast I too have on shorts and spent > the day outside working on my motorhome, Cold beer and a 2 mph breeze gave > us a wind chill of 82 degrees,( THAT'S ABOVE ZERO) Paul. > Enjoy your snow. > Glen (getting a sun tan) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "paul bland" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:07 AM > Subject: r.e. weather > > > > well that's just fine and dandy, it's about minus10 it's blowing 70 mph > and > > about to snow, I'm freezing my ---------- off, and to cap it all off I,m > > surrounded by foot and mouth desease, it just doesn't get any better than > > this. > > Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 18:31:01 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: Nafzger Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:36:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Minimum speed Howard, your comments are well spoken. Everyone has they own agenda. Some for speed, some for fun, but even among the more serious racer(s), there has to be some compromise and understanding of others feelings. cris in Salt Lake /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 18:35:05 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "John Beckett" , Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:33:39 -0800 Subject: Re: r.e. weather Yep, they missed us so far. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Beckett" To: "glen barrett" ; "paul bland" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: Re: r.e. weather > Yeah Glen you have the sun, but do you guys have any electricity? > > JB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "glen barrett" > To: "paul bland" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: r.e. weather > > > > Paul > > Like Dan and others here on the gold coast I too have on shorts and spent > > the day outside working on my motorhome, Cold beer and a 2 mph breeze gave > > us a wind chill of 82 degrees,( THAT'S ABOVE ZERO) Paul. > > Enjoy your snow. > > Glen (getting a sun tan) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "paul bland" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:07 AM > > Subject: r.e. weather > > > > > > > well that's just fine and dandy, it's about minus10 it's blowing 70 mph > > and > > > about to snow, I'm freezing my ---------- off, and to cap it all off I,m > > > surrounded by foot and mouth desease, it just doesn't get any better > than > > > this. > > > Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 19:19:37 2001 From: webmaster@landracing.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:19:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: New on the album: Honda Aerodynamics Please visit the album on http://www.landracing.com to see the new addition: Honda Aerodynamics. Thank you. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 19:43:09 2001 From: "DrMayf" To: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:41:03 -0800 Subject: Honda Aerodynamics Looked at the aerodynamics, John. Is that a spoiler or a "wing". mayf /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 19:46:53 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:37:52 -0500 Subject: Re: New on the album: Honda Aerodynamics And who said ECTA was a bunch of turkeys. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: New on the album: Honda Aerodynamics > Please visit the album on http://www.landracing.com to see the new addition: Honda Aerodynamics. Thank you. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 20:26:20 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: jonw@up.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:25:21 EST Subject: Re: Aerodynamic Leathers? In a message dated 3/20/01 1:04:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, jonw@up.net writes: << What's the opinion on the aerodynamic "hump" that some racers sport on their backs these days? Do the humps do anything but increase the (assumed) coolness of the wearer? Is there a real reduction in drag and other nasty effects? Should I pony up the handful of bucks for a hump to wear this year? >> Are you planning on running in the Camel GT series? Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 20 21:19:29 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "LSR Group" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:25:52 -0600 Subject: John's Honda John, your Honda looks great!! But with that much spoiler, I'm afraid the thing is going to try to "fly" on you at speed. Jerry in Dallas /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 00:44:23 2001 From: "\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:18:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Experience/seat time John is right, there is no better practice than under power. Sitting it he car in the dark makes good sense to familiarize yourself with where the controls are located. Dean Batchelor and Alex Xydias explained that was all well and good, but once the car started up everything got a bit scrambled due to the adding of the noise component, concentration wasn't as easy. When you add the motion component, things get even harder to sort out and the noises get VERY loud. When the suspension starts working and the body starts rattling, especially for the first time, you think the damn car will shake itself apart any second. This reminded me of the comments that DC# pilots made when they first flew the big birds and saw how much the wings flexed on take off. Jeana Yeager, co-pilot of the Voyager, recounted what went through her head as they took off fully loaded for the circumnavigation jaunt in 1986 . . . "the slender wings had winglets on the very tips, but we were so heavy that as the fuselage began to lift-off the wings flexed down and slow but surely ground the winglets right off the tips of the wings, as if they were held to a bench grinder. since we were still flying and in control, we simply kept going." They did, of course, all the way around the world in 9 days, non-stop, non-refueled. This is a good example of knowing when not to do anything at all. Speedy Regards, "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth LandSpeed Productions Telling stories with words and pictures [This message delayed, as it needed manual intervention by the list administrator. Yet another person who has their mailer set to just automatically include everything in the reply. mjb.] /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 01:01:01 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: speedtimer@charter.net, Flowbench@aol.com, landspeedracer@email.msn.com, Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 03:00:32 EST Subject: Re: News Flash! In a message dated 3/20/01 3:24:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, speedtimer@charter.net writes: << It's the white stuff we see on yonder mountains. >> One year I come home from Bonneville, wash off some salt in the street. My next door neighbor looks at it and asks..................... you got it " is that snow?" Mike ( no I don't live in a trailer park ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 04:54:29 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:50:46 -0600 Subject: Re: News Flash! When I lived in Alhambra Ca as a Kid I used to see it.... These guys would bring that race car home from the SNOW in the middle of august. 100 plus degrees.... But they had GOOD Snow as it didn't melt.... Now that I sit here and think about it.... Hmmm wonder if anyone here knows someone that raced out of Alhambra in the Mid to late 60's All us kids would run over and see if he was going to make THAT NOISE ..... and by the time we got there it was gone.... I would stay and wait... cause it might come back.... Don't have a clue what engine or car it was.... but I loved that sound.... Just sitting here trying to remember more about the car ... neat set of memories.......The guy Doing the Burnout in the New 68 Z-28 and chirping the tires in Every gear down my street... ( I lived around the corner from a Chevrolet dealer this guy was test driving the car ) Keith ( Okay I gotta go play for a min before work) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:00 AM Subject: Re: News Flash! > In a message dated 3/20/01 3:24:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, > speedtimer@charter.net writes: > > << It's the white stuff we see on yonder mountains. >> > > One year I come home from Bonneville, wash off some salt in the street. My > next door neighbor looks at it and asks..................... you got it " > is that snow?" > > Mike ( no I don't live in a trailer park ) > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 05:41:41 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:59:51 -0000 Subject: r.e. weather!!!!! Glen, thanks for those kind sentiments, I'm glad to see p--- taking is alive and well on both sides of the water! today I've got a tshirt, 2 jumpers and a fleece on, still freezing, got to go and fix a 356 porche now, outdoors! oh joy of joys. hope you enjoyed that beer, Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 05:44:26 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "DrMayf" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:45:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics In that configuration it's a spoiler. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: DrMayf To: landspeedracer@msn.com Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: Honda Aerodynamics Looked at the aerodynamics, John. Is that a spoiler or a "wing". mayf /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 05:57:24 2001 From: "Wendy Jeffries" To: "Land-Speed@Autox.Team.Net" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 04:39:24 -0800 Subject: FW: Mangum Engineering? Here's one for you all to ponder. I put the questioner's address in the to box so hitting reply should send a copy to him too.. Wendy Jeffries Bonneville Racing News salt@ivic.net -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Corcoran [mailto:gregoryc@amgen.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:57 AM To: salt@ivic.net Subject: Mangum Engineering? Hi, I looked at an engine that alledgedly raced at Bonneville in '68 or '69 in a Torino. It's a Ford 390 stamped in several places Mangum Engineering 7175 8213. Looks like it was a brute built for a specific racing class. Any ideas where I can find more info ? Thanks! Greg Corcoran /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 05:58:20 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "John Beckett" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 06:54:40 -0600 Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics This one must be the Production Version.... as I didn't see the Coup.... Is that much Spoiler allowed in Production? Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Beckett" To: "DrMayf" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:45 AM Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics > In that configuration it's a spoiler. > > JB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DrMayf > To: landspeedracer@msn.com > Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:41 PM > Subject: Honda Aerodynamics > > > Looked at the aerodynamics, John. Is that a spoiler or a "wing". > mayf > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 07:57:32 2001 From: "Rick Yacoucci" To: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:13:06 -0800 Subject: NACA Digital Library I found a link to the NACA Digital Library tons of interesting stuff check it out http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/cit.html Turbo Rick http://www.turborick.com /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 08:43:29 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: "\"\\\"LandSpeed\\\" Louise Ann Noeth\"" Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:42:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Experience/seat time Group, This is really what I was trying to say. There is no substitute for experience. In the beginning of a crisis situation, reactions come through natural channels, not through the thought process. Experience is what fuels the natural reactions. After the initial reactions, then thinking and making decisions about the situation comes into play. The subconscious mind can be trained to take control in unexpected events. Sitting in the car and practicing emergency shut down, and mulling over the procedures to be followed in a spin, etc. can be helpful and I do not diminish their importance. I'm still convinced that in a crisis environment, the subconscious controls. In Louise's event in the airplane, she had time to recall previous instructions and act on them. That is what we are suppose to be doing before the spin. I suspect while she was reacting to her training, our spin was already over. Realize these comments are from my experience and weak mental processes. BYW, John, in Redding we are having the luxury of selling, on the open market, 30% of our electrical generating capacity. Also, I really expected something more slippery when I went to view your picture. That's a real TURKEY! Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC \"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth wrote: > > John is right, there is no better practice than under power. Sitting > it he car in the dark makes good sense to familiarize yourself with > where the controls are located. > > Dean Batchelor and Alex Xydias explained that was all well and good, > but once the car started up everything got a bit scrambled due to the > adding of the noise component, concentration wasn't as easy. When you > add the motion component, things get even harder to sort out and the > noises get VERY loud. When the suspension starts working and the body > starts rattling, especially for the first time, you think the damn car > will shake itself apart any second. > > This reminded me of the comments that DC# pilots made when they first > flew the big birds and saw how much the wings flexed on take off. > > Jeana Yeager, co-pilot of the Voyager, recounted what went through her > head as they took off fully loaded for the circumnavigation jaunt in > 1986 . . . "the slender wings had winglets on the very tips, but we > were so heavy that as the fuselage began to lift-off the wings flexed > down and slow but surely ground the winglets right off the tips of the > wings, as if they were held to a bench grinder. since we were still > flying and in control, we simply kept going." > > They did, of course, all the way around the world in 9 days, non-stop, > non-refueled. > > This is a good example of knowing when not to do anything at all. > > Speedy Regards, > > "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth > > LandSpeed Productions > Telling stories with words and pictures /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 08:53:06 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Thomas E. Bryant" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:47:40 -0600 Subject: Re: Experience/seat time My sentiments exactly on Johns car Tom..... If he can't get it a bit more slippery I'll bet it lays an EGG.... Still want to know if it qualifies as a Production model with that spoiler since it was factory option installed on about 50% of the models...... K ---------- > From: Thomas E. Bryant > To: "\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth" > Cc: Land Speed List > Subject: Re: Experience/seat time > Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 9:42 AM > > Group, > > This is really what I was trying to say. There is no substitute for > experience. In the beginning of a crisis situation, reactions come > through natural channels, not through the thought process. Experience is > what fuels the natural reactions. After the initial reactions, then > thinking and making decisions about the situation comes into play. > > The subconscious mind can be trained to take control in unexpected > events. Sitting in the car and practicing emergency shut down, and > mulling over the procedures to be followed in a spin, etc. can be > helpful and I do not diminish their importance. I'm still convinced that > in a crisis environment, the subconscious controls. > > In Louise's event in the airplane, she had time to recall previous > instructions and act on them. That is what we are suppose to be doing > before the spin. I suspect while she was reacting to her training, our > spin was already over. > > Realize these comments are from my experience and weak mental processes. > > BYW, John, in Redding we are having the luxury of selling, on the open > market, 30% of our electrical generating capacity. Also, I really > expected something more slippery when I went to view your picture. > That's a real TURKEY! > > Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC > > \"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth wrote: > > > > John is right, there is no better practice than under power. Sitting > > it he car in the dark makes good sense to familiarize yourself with > > where the controls are located. > > > > Dean Batchelor and Alex Xydias explained that was all well and good, > > but once the car started up everything got a bit scrambled due to the > > adding of the noise component, concentration wasn't as easy. When you > > add the motion component, things get even harder to sort out and the > > noises get VERY loud. When the suspension starts working and the body > > starts rattling, especially for the first time, you think the damn car > > will shake itself apart any second. > > > > This reminded me of the comments that DC# pilots made when they first > > flew the big birds and saw how much the wings flexed on take off. > > > > Jeana Yeager, co-pilot of the Voyager, recounted what went through her > > head as they took off fully loaded for the circumnavigation jaunt in > > 1986 . . . "the slender wings had winglets on the very tips, but we > > were so heavy that as the fuselage began to lift-off the wings flexed > > down and slow but surely ground the winglets right off the tips of the > > wings, as if they were held to a bench grinder. since we were still > > flying and in control, we simply kept going." > > > > They did, of course, all the way around the world in 9 days, non-stop, > > non-refueled. > > > > This is a good example of knowing when not to do anything at all. > > > > Speedy Regards, > > > > "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth > > > > LandSpeed Productions > > Telling stories with words and pictures /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 09:03:01 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Thomas E. Bryant" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:01:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Experience/seat time I was thinking that spoiler was looking more like a dive brake, besides all them feathers flutter in the wind at speed. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: ""\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth"" Cc: "Land Speed List" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:42 AM Subject: Re: Experience/seat time > Group, > > This is really what I was trying to say. There is no substitute for > experience. In the beginning of a crisis situation, reactions come > through natural channels, not through the thought process. Experience is > what fuels the natural reactions. After the initial reactions, then > thinking and making decisions about the situation comes into play. > > The subconscious mind can be trained to take control in unexpected > events. Sitting in the car and practicing emergency shut down, and > mulling over the procedures to be followed in a spin, etc. can be > helpful and I do not diminish their importance. I'm still convinced that > in a crisis environment, the subconscious controls. > > In Louise's event in the airplane, she had time to recall previous > instructions and act on them. That is what we are suppose to be doing > before the spin. I suspect while she was reacting to her training, our > spin was already over. > > Realize these comments are from my experience and weak mental processes. > > BYW, John, in Redding we are having the luxury of selling, on the open > market, 30% of our electrical generating capacity. Also, I really > expected something more slippery when I went to view your picture. > That's a real TURKEY! > > Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC > > \"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth wrote: > > > > John is right, there is no better practice than under power. Sitting > > it he car in the dark makes good sense to familiarize yourself with > > where the controls are located. > > > > Dean Batchelor and Alex Xydias explained that was all well and good, > > but once the car started up everything got a bit scrambled due to the > > adding of the noise component, concentration wasn't as easy. When you > > add the motion component, things get even harder to sort out and the > > noises get VERY loud. When the suspension starts working and the body > > starts rattling, especially for the first time, you think the damn car > > will shake itself apart any second. > > > > This reminded me of the comments that DC# pilots made when they first > > flew the big birds and saw how much the wings flexed on take off. > > > > Jeana Yeager, co-pilot of the Voyager, recounted what went through her > > head as they took off fully loaded for the circumnavigation jaunt in > > 1986 . . . "the slender wings had winglets on the very tips, but we > > were so heavy that as the fuselage began to lift-off the wings flexed > > down and slow but surely ground the winglets right off the tips of the > > wings, as if they were held to a bench grinder. since we were still > > flying and in control, we simply kept going." > > > > They did, of course, all the way around the world in 9 days, non-stop, > > non-refueled. > > > > This is a good example of knowing when not to do anything at all. > > > > Speedy Regards, > > > > "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth > > > > LandSpeed Productions > > Telling stories with words and pictures /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 09:07:26 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Wendy Jeffries" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:06:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Mangum Engineering? Gregory How long ago did you look at this engine. I could not find any entry information on this vehicle in the 68,69,or 70 issues of the Bonneville program. Any other information would help in the research. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Jeffries" To: "Land-Speed@Autox.Team.Net" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 4:39 AM Subject: FW: Mangum Engineering? > Here's one for you all to ponder. I put the questioner's address in the to > box so hitting reply should send a copy to him too.. > > Wendy Jeffries > Bonneville Racing News > salt@ivic.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gregory Corcoran [mailto:gregoryc@amgen.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:57 AM > To: salt@ivic.net > Subject: Mangum Engineering? > > > Hi, > I looked at an engine that alledgedly raced at Bonneville in '68 or '69 > in a Torino. It's a Ford 390 stamped in several places Mangum > Engineering 7175 8213. Looks like it was a brute built for a > specific racing class. Any ideas where I can find more info ? > > Thanks! > Greg Corcoran /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 09:20:38 2001 From: Dick J To: LandSpeed Louise Ann Noeth , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:20:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Experience/seat time I can't believe that Keith and some of the other former military aviators on this list haven't jumped on this subject big time. I was not an aviator, but I did get a lot of seat time in an F-4 Phantom jet fighter. The military teaches it's fliers a series of emergency sequences they nick name "Bold Face Procedures". Those are the last things you do that lead up to either recovering from a very bad situation or pulling the ejection handle. They are all committed to memory, and fliers are required to be able to go through any one of them on an instance notice. Often, especially prior to major inspections, you would see the Stan Eval officer stop fliers walking down the hall and say something like: "Flameout, number two!", to which the flier would rattle off the ten or twelve steps that were required to be done in a second or two. They might even be seated somewhere when asked to go through the drill, in which case, they would close their eyes and simulate pedal movement, pushing and pulling switches and nobs, and checking guages with sharp, distinct head movements as they would shout out things like: "Pull back Power!" "Full stick!" "Hit number two fire bottle" "Check attitude!" "Check air speed!" "Check altitude!", etc. etc. etc. It would seem that anybody who drives a car over two hundred miles an hour whould develop a similar set of action steps for spins, fires, tire blow-out, power loss, sudden cross winds - - I dunno, just a whole lotta things that you would plan for ahead of time. My car ain't that fast, but I have practiced grabbing the fire bottle, simulating using it as if the car was still rolling, then unbuckle with my left hand while still simulating using the bottle in the right hand, and geting out of the car. I have also rehearsed getting out of the right side door should there ever be a reason for that. I didn't have an inside door handle on the passenger door until I came up with that scenario. I've also practiced getting out of the window. Uhfff - lotsa work for a fat old man, but I wanna live to race another day! Dick J ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 09:34:43 2001 From: "Doug Anderson" To: damia_anderson@stny.rr.com, cbailey@sprise.com, av8ford@volcano.net, Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:34:16 -0000 Subject: " you're never too old to have a happy childhood " This was just forwarded to me by a friend,....I thought some of you might enjoy it as well, so I've sent it on to you. It's great "food for thought" -Doug >>>>>------------> read on! Old or Mature ? ...you choose " The first day of school our professor introduced himself and challenged us to get to know someone we didn't already know. I stood up to look around when a gentle hand touched my shoulder. I turned around to find a wrinkled, little old lady beaming up at me with a smile that lit up her entire being. She said, "Hi handsome. My name is Rose. I'm eighty-seven years old. Can I give you a hug?" I laughed and enthusiastically responded, "Of course you may!" and she gave me a giant squeeze. "Why are you in college at such a young, innocent age?" I asked. She jokingly replied, "I'm here to meet a rich husband, get married, have a couple of children, and then retire and travel." "No seriously," I asked. I was curious what may have motivated her to be taking on this challenge at her age. "I always dreamed of having a college education and now I'm getting one!" she told me. After class we walked to the student union building and shared a chocolate milkshake. We became instant friends. Every day for the next three months we would leave class together and talk nonstop. I was always mesmerized listening to this "time machine" as she shared her wisdom and experience with me. Over the course of the year, Rose became a campus icon and she easily made friends wherever she went. She loved to dress up and she revelled in the attention bestowed upon her from the other students. She was living it up. At the end of the semester we invited Rose to speak at our football banquet. I'll never forget what she taught us. She was introduced and stepped up to the podium. As she began to deliver her prepared speech, she dropped her three by five cards on the floor. Frustrated and a little embarrassed she leaned into the microphone and simply said "I'm sorry I'm so jittery. I gave up beer for Lent and this whiskey is killing me! I'll never get my speech back in order so let me just tell you what I know." As we laughed she cleared her throat and began: "We do not stop playing because we are old; we grow old because we stop playing. There are only four secrets to staying young, being happy, and achieving success. "You have to laugh and find humor everyday. You've got to have a dream. When you lose your dreams, you die. We have so manypeople walking around who are dead and don't even know it!" "There is a huge difference between growing older and growing up. If you are nineteen years old and lie in bed for one full year and don't do one productive thing, you will turn twenty years old. If I am eighty-seven years old and stay in bed for a year and never do anything I will turn eighty-eight. Anybody can grow older. That doesn't take any talent or ability. The idea is to grow up by always finding the opportunity in change." "Have no regrets. The elderly usually don't have regrets for what we did, but rather for things we did not do. The only people who fear death arethose with regrets." She concluded her speech by courageously singing "The Rose." She challenged each of us to study the lyrics and live them out in our daily lives. At the years end Rose finished the college degree she had begun all those years ago. One week after graduation Rose died peacefully in her sleep. Over two thousand college students attended her funeral in tribute to the wonderful woman who taught by example that it's never too late to be all you can possibly be. > > > If you read this, please send this peaceful word of advice to your >friends and family, they'll really enjoy it! We send these words in loving >memory of ROSE. " < < < < Remember, GROWING OLDER IS MANDATORY, GROWING UP IS OPTIONAL!!!! _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 09:44:22 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Keith Turk" , "DrMayf" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:44:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics Yeah it's stock from the factory. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: "John Beckett" ; "DrMayf" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics > This one must be the Production Version.... as I didn't see the Coup.... Is > that much Spoiler allowed in Production? > > Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Beckett" > To: "DrMayf" ; > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:45 AM > Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics > > > > In that configuration it's a spoiler. > > > > JB > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: DrMayf > > To: landspeedracer@msn.com > > Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:41 PM > > Subject: Honda Aerodynamics > > > > > > Looked at the aerodynamics, John. Is that a spoiler or a "wing". > > mayf > > > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 09:50:46 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Dick J" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:43:19 -0600 Subject: Re: Experience/seat time Dick the reason we were doing that was by committing to memory those procedures the subconscious mind as Tom Puts it does in fact take over... you react to the situation " within the limits of your experience" It's my contention that " Experience" doesn't have to be HANDS On... or First person.... it's a collection of thoughts and idea's many of which have to be gained or learned outside of the actual racing environment.... Let me give you an example.... Very Few of us have ever had the opportunity to experience a Fire in a Race car..... but watching John Force taught me that I don't want anything to do with it... It taught me to Hold my Breath if possible.... pull the fire handles ... see that the fire is extinguished ..or severely calmed.. pull the chute....and get the car to a complete stop before releasing my belts or bailing out.. It's not a situation I have experienced Personally.... but it's now included in my total intellectual capacity.... I have an Idea of what it is I want to do.... after that.... if it does ever occur..... I can react to that situation as it happens with a Pre Programmed set of guidelines and fill in the blanks as I go.. I have a experienced several Life threatening situations in helicopters.... most worked out okay.... the Tail Rotor coming off well that was a bad year... but I was always amazed at how well I reacted and how much information was available to me at that Exact Moment.... a direct result of my training and practice.... Keith ---------- > From: Dick J > To: LandSpeed Louise Ann Noeth ; Land Speed List > Subject: Re: Experience/seat time > Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:20 AM > > I can't believe that Keith and some of the other > former military aviators on this list haven't > jumped on this subject big time. I was not an > aviator, but I did get a lot of seat time in an > F-4 Phantom jet fighter. > > The military teaches it's fliers a series of > emergency sequences they nick name "Bold Face > Procedures". Those are the last things you do > that lead up to either recovering from a very bad > situation or pulling the ejection handle. They > are all committed to memory, and fliers are > required to be able to go through any one of them > on an instance notice. Often, especially prior > to major inspections, you would see the Stan Eval > officer stop fliers walking down the hall and say > something like: "Flameout, number two!", to which > the flier would rattle off the ten or twelve > steps that were required to be done in a second > or two. They might even be seated somewhere when > asked to go through the drill, in which case, > they would close their eyes and simulate pedal > movement, pushing and pulling switches and nobs, > and checking guages with sharp, distinct head > movements as they would shout out things like: > "Pull back Power!" "Full stick!" "Hit number two > fire bottle" "Check attitude!" "Check air > speed!" "Check altitude!", etc. etc. etc. > > It would seem that anybody who drives a car over > two hundred miles an hour whould develop a > similar set of action steps for spins, fires, > tire blow-out, power loss, sudden cross winds - > - > I dunno, just a whole lotta things that you would > plan for ahead of time. > > My car ain't that fast, but I have practiced > grabbing the fire bottle, simulating using it as > if the car was still rolling, then unbuckle with > my left hand while still simulating using the > bottle in the right hand, and geting out of the > car. I have also rehearsed getting out of the > right side door should there ever be a reason for > that. I didn't have an inside door handle on the > passenger door until I came up with that > scenario. I've also practiced getting out of the > window. > > Uhfff - lotsa work for a fat old man, but I wanna > live to race another day! > > Dick J > > > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 09:50:47 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:51:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Experience/seat time Hey, over 500 were built that way. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: "Thomas E. Bryant" ; ""\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth"" Cc: "Land Speed List" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Experience/seat time > My sentiments exactly on Johns car Tom..... If he can't get it a bit more > slippery I'll bet it lays an EGG.... > > Still want to know if it qualifies as a Production model with that spoiler > since it was factory option installed on about 50% of the models...... > > K /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 09:54:26 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: landspeedracer@email.msn.com, kturk@ala.net, drmayf@teknett.com, Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:53:18 EST Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics I'm sooooooo easy, I sat here reading about Beckets Honda and you all made reference to that neat spoiler and the fact it's factory. Soooooooo I just gots to look at it! Mike (sucker born every minute) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 11:46:27 2001 From: "Rick Yacoucci" To: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:01:42 -0800 Subject: Beverly Stanley's good by party Just found out that there is going to be a good by party for Beverly tonight if you want any info on it call Clark Thomas at 323 256 9004 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 12:26:01 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Keith Turk" Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:24:39 -0800 Subject: ECTA The truth is out, Maxton is not a race, it's a damn turkey shoot in the Carolina woods. Ha, you just thought we were fooled.It's open season on you TURKEYS Glen (loading the shot gun) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 12:29:13 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:28:55 -0000 Subject: you're never too old to have a happy childhood Doug, that seems like a fine policy on life to me, as for growing up, my wife's got plenty to say on that subject, Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 12:48:01 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "paul bland" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:46:45 -0800 Subject: Re: you're never too old to have a happy childhood Paul It cooled off today to 75 degrees, Burrr. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul bland" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: you're never too old to have a happy childhood > Doug, that seems like a fine policy on life to me, as for growing up, my > wife's got plenty to say on that subject, > Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 13:35:28 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:34:53 -0000 Subject: thermals for glen Glen, sorry to hear about the sudden drop in temp, I know a guy who does a fine line in thermal underware if you're interested, Paul on the cold toast coast. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 14:21:55 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:21:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics And it really does fly. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics > I'm sooooooo easy, I sat here reading about Beckets Honda and you all made > reference to that neat spoiler and the fact it's factory. Soooooooo I just > gots to look at it! > > Mike (sucker born every minute) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 14:46:53 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Keith Turk'" , Dick J , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:46:04 -0700 Subject: RE: Experience/seat time Subject: Re: Experience/seat time This is an excellent thread. "Visualization" is a well accepted sports training technique. Like the Army says "You fight the way you train." (Sorry for the flashback, Keith). The famous motorcycle road racer, Kenny Roberts described a technique he used that he called "packets of information." Things happen much too fast during a race to simply react, you must be prepared in advance. By anticipating as many conceivable situations as possible before hand it is possible to chose the right "packet" instantly. When thinking a situation through, try to imagine as many variables as possible and how that would change the action taken. Whenever I find out a person has had an accident (or near one) I usually try to find out what happened, why and what they did or didn't do that made the difference. (Storing away packets.) As Vince Lombardi said "Practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect." Dale C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 15:27:36 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Rick Yacoucci'" , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:26:17 -0700 Subject: RE: NACA Digital Library Thanks for the tip, Rick. A quick run through the list has me worrying about becoming a mousepotato! Dale C. Subject: NACA Digital Library I found a link to the NACA Digital Library tons of interesting stuff check it out http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/cit.html Turbo Rick ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 15:36:49 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , John Beckett Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:36:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics I SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT THIS MODEL IS REAR-STEER TOO! Now that I look at it, I'm sure of it, I mean if the front axle is coincident with the rear axle and they are linked and the same, then the front wheels which do the steering are also the rear wheels... or, uhhh something like that. Dick J --- Keith Turk wrote: > This one must be the Production Version.... as > I didn't see the Coup.... Is > that much Spoiler allowed in Production? > > Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Beckett" > > To: "DrMayf" ; > > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:45 AM > Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics > > > > In that configuration it's a spoiler. > > > > JB > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: DrMayf > > To: landspeedracer@msn.com > > Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:41 PM > > Subject: Honda Aerodynamics > > > > > > Looked at the aerodynamics, John. Is that a > spoiler or a "wing". > > mayf > > ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 15:42:50 2001 From: "Rick Yacoucci" To: "Clay, Dale" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:58:18 -0800 Subject: Re: NACA Digital Library I hear you. I started reading some of those papers and wasted half a day But...... I learned alot so it was worth it Turbo Rick http://www.turborick.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Rick Yacoucci'" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: RE: NACA Digital Library > Thanks for the tip, Rick. A quick run through the list has me worrying > about becoming a mousepotato! > > Dale C. > > Subject: NACA Digital Library > > > I found a link to the NACA Digital Library > tons of interesting stuff check it out > http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/cit.html > > > > Turbo Rick > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient or employees of > MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 15:59:58 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Dick J" , "Keith Turk" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:58:28 -0800 Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics Can't say much about the waste gate, turkey droppings are messy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick J" To: "Keith Turk" ; "John Beckett" ; "DrMayf" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics > I SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT THIS MODEL IS REAR-STEER > TOO! Now that I look at it, I'm sure of it, I > mean if the front axle is coincident with the > rear axle and they are linked and the same, then > the front wheels which do the steering are also > the rear wheels... or, uhhh something like that. > Dick J > > > --- Keith Turk wrote: > > This one must be the Production Version.... as > > I didn't see the Coup.... Is > > that much Spoiler allowed in Production? > > > > Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Beckett" > > > > To: "DrMayf" ; > > > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:45 AM > > Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics > > > > > > > In that configuration it's a spoiler. > > > > > > JB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: DrMayf > > > To: landspeedracer@msn.com > > > Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:41 PM > > > Subject: Honda Aerodynamics > > > > > > > > > Looked at the aerodynamics, John. Is that a > > spoiler or a "wing". > > > mayf > > > > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 16:06:06 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:05:36 EST Subject: Newly Discovered Arduns Does anybody know how the ECTA's own XXF/GR Willie Glass keeps on finding Arduns in VA? I heard a rumor that he just came up with his 6th set. Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 16:25:34 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: Glenn Barrett Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:24:38 -0800 Subject: Magnum Engineering Glenn, My reference materials are stacked away at present because of construction we are doing. When we are through, I'm suppose to have more room to display my memorabilia and reference materials will be easier at access. I suspect that this was one of the Texas entries that ran in the 60's. Karol Miller or one of his buddies. I don't remember any of the Texas guys that ran Ford except for Miller, though. I searched the net for Magnum Engineering and came up with Magnum Engineering & Conrols with offices in Austin, Houston and San Antonio. It was most likely someone that worked for this organization, Magnum Engineering is a Petroleum Service organization, nothing to do with engine building so far as I can tell. Tom, Redding CA (Where it is so nice today that I actually work on my car for a few minutes, well, I did air up a flat tire) - #216 D/GCC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 16:32:11 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: glen barrett Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:31:19 -0800 Subject: Magnum Engineering Glenn, My reference materials are stacked away at present because of construction we are doing. When we are through, I'm suppose to have more room to display my memorabilia and reference materials will be easier at access. I suspect that this was one of the Texas entries that ran in the 60's. Karol Miller or one of his buddies. I don't remember any of the Texas guys that ran Ford except for Miller, though. I searched the net for Magnum Engineering and came up with Magnum Engineering & Controls with offices in Austin, Houston and San Antonio. It was most likely someone that worked for this organization, Magnum Engineering is a Petroleum Service organization, nothing to do with engine building so far as I can tell. Tom, Redding CA (Where it is so nice today that I actually work on my car for a few minutes, well, I did air up a flat tire) - #216 D/GCC Sorry if you get this twice, I had Glenn's address wrong and it was returned. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 16:50:46 2001 From: John Goodman To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:38:25 -0600 Subject: Alhambra, CA Keith, did you live in Alhambra, California? I grew up in San Gabriel. Small world, indeed. John Goodman Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:50:46 -0600 From: "Keith Turk" Subject: Re: News Flash! <> /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 17:44:27 2001 From: "Richard Fox" To: "Thomas E. Bryant" , Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:39:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Magnum Engineering I remember the Alamo Tune Up B/Alt Ford which was a really nice car and ran around 200 mph, but I don't know if thats the same car. Rich Fox -----Original Message----- From: Thomas E. Bryant To: glen barrett Cc: Land Speed Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 03:38 PM Subject: Magnum Engineering >Glenn, > >My reference materials are stacked away at present because of >construction we are doing. When we are through, I'm suppose to have more >room to display my memorabilia and reference materials will be easier at >access. I suspect that this was one of the Texas entries that ran in the >60's. Karol Miller or one of his buddies. I don't remember any of the >Texas guys that ran Ford except for Miller, though. > >I searched the net for Magnum Engineering and came up with Magnum >Engineering & Controls with offices in Austin, Houston and San Antonio. >It was most likely someone that worked for this organization, Magnum >Engineering is a Petroleum Service organization, nothing to do with >engine building so far as I can tell. > >Tom, Redding CA (Where it is so nice today that I actually work on my >car for a few minutes, well, I did air up a flat tire) - #216 D/GCC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 18:46:04 2001 From: RAWAWA@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:45:27 EST Subject: Honda Aero Talk about working a thread bare !...John,i thought the Honda was like a CC car,not a motorcycle ! ..The pix was definitly 2 "wheeled" , grain-fueled, production,1 cyl (single exhaust),probably 2-strokey,and hard to steer,er,herd,or flock ......................Bob, giblet guy, Wanner in NY /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 21 19:31:00 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: Richard Fox Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:30:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Magnum Engineering That's right Rich, I have a picture of it behind the Motel "6" Tom Richard Fox wrote: > > I remember the Alamo Tune Up B/Alt Ford which was a really nice car and ran > around 200 mph, but I don't know if thats the same car. Rich Fox /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 04:11:30 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 05:07:49 -0600 Subject: Landracing.com You know I was running around Jon's site yesterday grabbing some dates for someone.... and it dawned on me that I really take this place for granted.... Just wanted to take a sec and thank Jon for the time he has put in creating a site for us to enjoy our hobby..... you will also notice he has a regular Land speed racing e-mail list just like this one that I joined.... it has all the tools that this list doesn't.... I recommend each of us take a sec and join that list.... Jon has made it super easy..... just go to the list section and have at it.....write me personally and I will help you if you have problems joining it..... again.... Thanks Jon.... Landracing.com is a super asset to our sport... Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 05:36:22 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "glen barrett" , "Keith Turk" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:37:13 -0500 Subject: Re: ECTA Sounds like dualing shotguns in August. Do I need to bring the 4 guage? JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "glen barrett" To: "Keith Turk" Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: ECTA > The truth is out, Maxton is not a race, it's a damn turkey shoot in the > Carolina woods. Ha, you just thought we were fooled.It's open season on you > TURKEYS > Glen (loading the shot gun) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 05:38:08 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "glen barrett" , "Dick J" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:38:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics Man you got that right, We had to quit feeding Honda and his harem close to the house. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "glen barrett" To: "Dick J" ; "Keith Turk" ; "John Beckett" ; "DrMayf" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics > Can't say much about the waste gate, turkey droppings are messy. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick J" > To: "Keith Turk" ; "John Beckett" > ; "DrMayf" ; > > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics > > > > I SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT THIS MODEL IS REAR-STEER > > TOO! Now that I look at it, I'm sure of it, I > > mean if the front axle is coincident with the > > rear axle and they are linked and the same, then > > the front wheels which do the steering are also > > the rear wheels... or, uhhh something like that. > > Dick J > > > > > > --- Keith Turk wrote: > > > This one must be the Production Version.... as > > > I didn't see the Coup.... Is > > > that much Spoiler allowed in Production? > > > > > > Keith > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Beckett" > > > > > > To: "DrMayf" ; > > > > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:45 AM > > > Subject: Re: Honda Aerodynamics > > > > > > > > > > In that configuration it's a spoiler. > > > > > > > > JB > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: DrMayf > > > > To: landspeedracer@msn.com > > > > Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:41 PM > > > > Subject: Honda Aerodynamics > > > > > > > > > > > > Looked at the aerodynamics, John. Is that a > > > spoiler or a "wing". > > > > mayf > > > > > > > > ===== > > Dick J > > In East Texas > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 09:42:58 2001 From: TopJimme@aol.com To: , , , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:40:43 EST Subject: RE: Experience/seat time The sports reference got me to thinking, when I was a in competetive sports I saw a psychologist who tried to teach relaxation and visualization techniques. He referenced a study that showed that a move, in order for your subconscience to take over without any thought involved, had to be done 720 times. These repetitions had to be done exactly the same and they did not have to be done physically, visualization did count. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 10:29:05 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "LSR Group" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:35:26 -0600 Subject: NEW CARS With the large car count at Speedweek last year, and with the activity on this list and Jon's site, it seems the LSR business is booming. Let's see how many cars we know of that are actually under construction. Dick J will keep the list. I'll start: ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER TEXAS OK, Rick, John, Brad, Keith (MS) ???? Jerry /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 10:32:25 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "JERRY FOSTER" , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:28:34 -0600 Subject: Re: NEW CARS ----- Original Message ----- From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "LSR Group" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: NEW CARS > With the large car count at Speedweek last year, and with the activity on this > list and Jon's site, it seems the LSR business is booming. Let's see how many > cars we know of that are actually under construction. Dick J will keep the > list. I'll start: > > ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER TEXAS > Modified Sports Keith Turk Alabama > OK, Rick, John, Brad, Keith (MS) ???? > > Jerry /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 10:42:07 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Land Speed List" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:41:12 -0500 Subject: NEW CARS "Guys we need to cut an paste on this deal to keep it clean." With the large car count at Speedweek last year, and with the activity on this list and Jon's site, it seems the LSR business is booming. Let's see how many cars we know of that are actually under construction. Dick J will keep the list. I'll start: ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER TEXAS Modified Sports Keith Turk Alabama Comp Coupe Beckett/Timney NC OK, Rick, John, Brad, Keith (MS) ???? Jerry /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 11:21:42 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Keith Turk'" , JERRY FOSTER , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:20:37 -0700 Subject: RE: NEW CARS Subject: NEW CARS Do bikes count????? > > ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER TEXAS > Modified Sports Keith Turk Alabama > 1650 MPS/PG Dale Clay Arizona > > > Dale C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 11:24:17 2001 From: "\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth" To: , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:33:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Experience/seat time Indeed This training method has been used by Olympians for a decade or more. A lady named Florice Tanner, an East-coast Theosophist and Teacher developed the methodology when she retired to Ojai, California. That's where I met her -- when she was blind, yet still able to glide around her home as if sighted -- using her visualization techniques. For her, success came not in winning something, but in not knocking something over, or getting another bruise. I have one of her manuscripts on the process -- fascinating stuff. It boiled down to mostly faith in yourself to get the job done. Speedy Regards, "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth LandSpeed Productions Telling stories with words and pictures ------------------------o0o-------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 8:40 AM Subject: RE: Experience/seat time > The sports reference got me to thinking, when I was a in competetive sports I saw a psychologist who tried to teach relaxation and visualization techniques. He referenced a study that showed that a move, in order for your subconscience to take over without any thought involved, had to be done 720 times. These repetitions had to be done exactly the same and they did not have to be done physically, visualization did count. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 11:39:20 2001 From: "DrMayf" To: "John Beckett" , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:37:45 -0800 Subject: Re: NEW CARS > cars we know of that are actually under construction. Dick J will keep the > list. I'll start: > > ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER TEXAS > Modified Sports Keith Turk Alabama > Comp Coupe Beckett/Timney NC BMS DrMayf Pahrump, NV > OK, Rick, John, Brad, Keith (MS) ???? > > Jerry /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 11:49:04 2001 From: "Jerry Dickinson" To: drmayf@teknett.com, landspeedracer@email.msn.com, Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:48:44 -0800 Subject: Re: NEW CARS we know of that are actually under construction. Dick J will keep the > list. I'll start: > > ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER TEXAS > Modified Sports Keith Turk Alabama > Comp Coupe Beckett/Timney NC BMS DrMayf Pahrump, NV Alterd Coupe Jerry Dickinson/John Graff Hemet, Ca _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 12:10:47 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "Clay, Dale" , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:17:05 -0600 Subject: Re: NEW CARS BIKES COUNT......yes...didn't mean to omit bikes. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Keith Turk'" ; "JERRY FOSTER" ; "LSR Group" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: RE: NEW CARS > > Subject: NEW CARS > > Do bikes count????? > > > > ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER TEXAS > > Modified Sports Keith Turk Alabama > > 1650 MPS/PG Dale Clay Arizona > > > > > > > Dale C. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient or employees of > MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 12:46:08 2001 From: "Felton" To: "L S R" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:45:15 -0800 Subject: Re:NEW CARS New Cars; ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER TEXAS Modified Sports Keith Turk Alabama Comp Coupe Beckett/Timney NC 1650 MPS/PG Dale Clay Arizona BMS DrMayf Pahrump, NV Altered Coupe Jerry Dickinson/John Graff Hemet, Ca /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 12:50:33 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "John Beckett" , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:49:14 -0800 Subject: Re: ECTA John The timing trailer is protected with Claymor mines and bazookas. I wonder how much range those paint ball guns have. GB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Beckett" To: "glen barrett" ; "Keith Turk" Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: Re: ECTA > Paint guns are OK, but we have to use a color that WILL show up on KT. Hey > how about olive drab? > > It's going to be hard to sneak up on the timing tower at Bonneville. No > cover. > > JB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "glen barrett" > To: "John Beckett" ; "Keith Turk" > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: ECTA > > > > John > > How about paint guns, I choose purple, then KT won't know he has been hit. > > G > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Beckett" > > To: "glen barrett" ; "Keith Turk" > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 4:37 AM > > Subject: Re: ECTA > > > > > > > Sounds like dualing shotguns in August. Do I need to bring the 4 guage? > > > > > > JB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "glen barrett" > > > To: "Keith Turk" > > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:24 PM > > > Subject: ECTA > > > > > > > > > > The truth is out, Maxton is not a race, it's a damn turkey shoot in > the > > > > Carolina woods. Ha, you just thought we were fooled.It's open season > on > > > you > > > > TURKEYS > > > > Glen (loading the shot gun) > > > > > > /// > > > /// > /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 13:07:18 2001 From: "Mike D Meierle" To: "John Beckett" , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:06:29 -0800 Subject: Re: ECTA Use Mortars and rockets! -- Michael Meierle Alcatel Carrier Internetworking Division http://www.alcatel.com/ Newport Beach, CA. glen barrett wrote: > John > The timing trailer is protected with Claymor mines > and bazookas. > I wonder how much range those paint ball guns have. > GB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Beckett" > To: "glen barrett" ; "Keith Turk" > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: ECTA > > > Paint guns are OK, but we have to use a color that WILL show up on KT. Hey > > how about olive drab? > > > > It's going to be hard to sneak up on the timing tower at Bonneville. No > > cover. > > > > JB > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "glen barrett" > > To: "John Beckett" ; "Keith Turk" > > > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:47 AM > > Subject: Re: ECTA > > > > > > > John > > > How about paint guns, I choose purple, then KT won't know he has been > hit. > > > G > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Beckett" > > > To: "glen barrett" ; "Keith Turk" > > > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 4:37 AM > > > Subject: Re: ECTA > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like dualing shotguns in August. Do I need to bring the 4 > guage? > > > > > > > > JB > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "glen barrett" > > > > To: "Keith Turk" > > > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:24 PM > > > > Subject: ECTA > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth is out, Maxton is not a race, it's a damn turkey shoot in > > the > > > > > Carolina woods. Ha, you just thought we were fooled.It's open season > > on > > > > you > > > > > TURKEYS > > > > > Glen (loading the shot gun) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 14:30:35 2001 From: Dick J To: DrMayf , John Beckett Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:30:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: NEW CARS Don't know how this got out, I thought we were still in the "thinking about it" stages, but it's fine with me. Guess that's what happens when you doze off in the staging lanes! It ought to be interesting. Anybody else who has a car under construction, let me know the type, who you are, and city and state. Let's add a "Remarks" column for additional info like chassis type, body type, engine type, size, etc. Whatever might be interesting about your car. You guys that are already on this "Under Construction" list, send me a few remarks about your car (NOT THE FEATHERED ONE - JOHN!). Dick J --- DrMayf wrote: > > cars we know of that are actually under > construction. Dick J will keep > the > > list. I'll start: > > > > ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER > TEXAS > > Modified Sports Keith Turk > Alabama > > Comp Coupe Beckett/Timney > NC > BMS DrMayf > Pahrump, NV > > > OK, Rick, John, Brad, Keith (MS) ???? > > > > Jerry Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 15:00:26 2001 From: "Jon Wennerberg" To: "LSR list \(E-mail\)" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:00:58 -0500 Subject: RE: New Cars Count me in - ZX12R Kawasaki Jon E. Wennerberg Marquette Michigan I need a new hat. Jon /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 17:07:09 2001 From: Richard Kensicki To: "land-speed@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:08:43 -0500 Subject: Big Block Chevy crank question Anyone in the group familiar with BBCs? Looking at some Childs & Albert aluminum rods and they list 2 different big end bores, 2.225 and 2.325. 2.20 is the what I'm used to seeing the big end sized at. Is the larger one for a thicker bearing shell? Don't remember seeing a crank with that size journal. The only number I have for C & A is off their web site (661) 295-2900 and I get a phone disconnected when I call. Does someone have a better number? Are they still in business? Rich Kensicki /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 17:12:40 2001 From: Richard Kensicki To: "land-speed@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:15:13 -0500 Subject: war wagons Anyone ever build one of those NASCAR tool wagons? I want to put one together so I can put my tool chest in it. This way I can bring every tool I own. Found some sites that sell parts, and complete wagons, but all at prices that make me cringe? RichK /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 18:04:49 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Richard Kensicki" , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:03:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Big Block Chevy crank question Rich C&A phone number is 661-295-1900, fax 661-295-1905 Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kensicki" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 4:08 PM Subject: Big Block Chevy crank question > Anyone in the group familiar with BBCs? Looking at some Childs & Albert > aluminum rods and they list 2 different big end bores, 2.225 and 2.325. > 2.20 is the what I'm used to seeing the big end sized at. Is the larger > one for a thicker bearing shell? Don't remember seeing a crank with that > size journal. The only number I have for C & A is off their web site > (661) 295-2900 and I get a phone disconnected when I call. Does someone > have a better number? Are they still in business? > > Rich Kensicki /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 18:10:32 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Richard Kensicki" , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:09:12 -0800 Subject: Re: war wagons Rich TSS,Tool storage systems Starts at $2525.00 630-495-3774. There are others but I don't have info handy. Man those things are heavy empty, you need a ATV to pull one. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kensicki" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: war wagons > Anyone ever build one of those NASCAR tool wagons? I want to put one > together so I can put my tool chest in it. This way I can bring every > tool I own. Found some sites that sell parts, and complete wagons, but > all at prices that make me cringe? > > RichK /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 18:32:58 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Richard Kensicki" , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:23:47 -0500 Subject: Re: war wagons Richard you might want to give Muscle Motorsports a call 1-704-948-1155. They deal in a lot of Used Nascar and other racecar parts. They are located in the heart of Nascar country. The owner Bob Gribble is also a Land Speed racer. I am sure one of the guys there can put you on to a source for a war wagon. They have a website if you would like to check them out. www.musclemotorparts.com Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kensicki" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 7:15 PM Subject: war wagons > Anyone ever build one of those NASCAR tool wagons? I want to put one > together so I can put my tool chest in it. This way I can bring every > tool I own. Found some sites that sell parts, and complete wagons, but > all at prices that make me cringe? > > RichK /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 18:38:35 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:40:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Landracing.com Bullseye Keith. We take too many things forgranted when we don't have to do all the thrashing to make it happen. Thanks Jon. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 4:07 AM Subject: Landracing.com > You know I was running around Jon's site yesterday grabbing some dates for > someone.... and it dawned on me that I really take this place for > granted.... > > Just wanted to take a sec and thank Jon for the time he has put in creating > a site for us to enjoy our hobby..... > > you will also notice he has a regular Land speed racing e-mail list just > like this one that I joined.... it has all the tools that this list > doesn't.... I recommend each of us take a sec and join that list.... Jon has > made it super easy..... just go to the list section and have at it.....write > me personally and I will help you if you have problems joining it..... > > again.... Thanks Jon.... Landracing.com is a super asset to our sport... > > Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 18:44:27 2001 From: Chuck Rothfuss To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:33:05 -0500 Subject: Re: NEW CARS >ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER TEXAS >Modified Sports Keith Turk Alabama >Comp Coupe Beckett/Timney NC GT Chuck Rothfuss NC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 19:30:43 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "glen barrett" , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:21:20 -0500 Subject: Re: ECTA This sounds like it could be the brewing for the first anual EAST-WEST Land Speed Shootout. Dividing line could be the Continental Divide. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "glen barrett" To: "John Beckett" ; "Keith Turk" Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 2:49 PM Subject: Re: ECTA > John > The timing trailer is protected with Claymor mines > and bazookas. > I wonder how much range those paint ball guns have. > GB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Beckett" > To: "glen barrett" ; "Keith Turk" > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: ECTA > > > > Paint guns are OK, but we have to use a color that WILL show up on KT. Hey > > how about olive drab? > > > > It's going to be hard to sneak up on the timing tower at Bonneville. No > > cover. > > > > JB > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "glen barrett" > > To: "John Beckett" ; "Keith Turk" > > > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:47 AM > > Subject: Re: ECTA > > > > > > > John > > > How about paint guns, I choose purple, then KT won't know he has been > hit. > > > G > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Beckett" > > > To: "glen barrett" ; "Keith Turk" > > > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 4:37 AM > > > Subject: Re: ECTA > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like dualing shotguns in August. Do I need to bring the 4 > guage? > > > > > > > > JB > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "glen barrett" > > > > To: "Keith Turk" > > > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:24 PM > > > > Subject: ECTA > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth is out, Maxton is not a race, it's a damn turkey shoot in > > the > > > > > Carolina woods. Ha, you just thought we were fooled.It's open season > > on > > > > you > > > > > TURKEYS > > > > > Glen (loading the shot gun) > > > > > > > > /// > > > > /// > /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 19:36:41 2001 From: "Jonathan Amo" To: "Chuck Rothfuss" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:27:32 -0700 Subject: Re: NEW CARS NEWER List, This was a very interesting topic Jerry has brought up. Wounder how many vehicles are actually being built. I have started a page to submit your vehicles that are in the process of being built. If you goto http://www.landracing.com you will find a link at the beginning of the page to submit your vehicle that is being built. I will keep the records as best as I can. Great subject Jerry, I have started by submitting my project to the list. Jonathan Amo http://www.landracing.com Chuck Rothfuss wrote: > >ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER TEXAS > >Modified Sports Keith Turk Alabama > >Comp Coupe Beckett/Timney NC > GT Chuck Rothfuss NC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 19:37:51 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: Wmtsmith@landracing.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:36:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Magnum Engineering Yes they are. There is a roadster running under that banner now. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC William T Smith wrote: > > In 1969 [If I remember corectly ](Kenz sp? & Leslie ) > the old streamliner folks, ran a 361 ford in a > Ford Torino Taledaga Body if I remember corectly it was > Maroon and ran agound 160 Werent they out of Denver? > > Quoting "Thomas E. Bryant" : > > > Glenn, > > > > My reference materials are stacked away at present > because of > > construction we are doing. When we are through, I'm > suppose to have more > > room to display my memorabilia and reference > materials will be easier at > > access. I suspect that this was one of the Texas > entries that ran in the > > 60's. Karol Miller or one of his buddies. I don't > remember any of the > > Texas guys that ran Ford except for Miller, though. > > > > I searched the net for Magnum Engineering and came up > with Magnum > > Engineering & Conrols with offices in Austin, Houston > and San Antonio. > > It was most likely someone that worked for this > organization, Magnum > > Engineering is a Petroleum Service organization, > nothing to do with > > engine building so far as I can tell. > > > > Tom, Redding CA (Where it is so nice today that I > actually work on my > > car for a few minutes, well, I did air up a flat > tire) - #216 D/GCC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 19:39:21 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:35:39 -0600 Subject: Maxton March/April Meet Hey Guys.... don't want ya to think I am not willing here.... ANYONE wanting to attend a Meet at Maxton I am willing to pick you up in Atlanta Or Charlotte Friday and deliver you back Sunday.... We'll make sure your nappy butt gets toted around.... We will supply Fun by the Gross and other then that the whining and dining is on you.... This First meet also happens to be the Annual Banquet/ Points Dinner Just thought I would offer.... Keith ( yes arrangements can be made at a later date for any meet other then Apr/May ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 20:46:30 2001 From: Cris Shearer To: Keith Turk Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:51:57 -0700 Subject: Re: NEW CARS Skip Hedrick, Streamliner, California c.shearer /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 21:09:15 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "Bill & Dee Bennett" , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:15:35 -0600 Subject: Re: ECTA Could we have this somewhere near Texas? Jerry in Dallas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "glen barrett" ; "John Beckett" ; "Keith Turk" Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 8:21 PM Subject: Re: ECTA > This sounds like it could be the brewing for the first anual EAST-WEST Land > Speed Shootout. Dividing line could be the Continental Divide. > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "glen barrett" > To: "John Beckett" ; "Keith Turk" > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: ECTA > > > > John > > The timing trailer is protected with Claymor mines > > and bazookas. > > I wonder how much range those paint ball guns have. > > GB > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Beckett" > > To: "glen barrett" ; "Keith Turk" > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:15 AM > > Subject: Re: ECTA > > > > > > > Paint guns are OK, but we have to use a color that WILL show up on KT. > Hey > > > how about olive drab? > > > > > > It's going to be hard to sneak up on the timing tower at Bonneville. No > > > cover. > > > > > > JB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "glen barrett" > > > To: "John Beckett" ; "Keith Turk" > > > > > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: ECTA > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > How about paint guns, I choose purple, then KT won't know he has been > > hit. > > > > G > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John Beckett" > > > > To: "glen barrett" ; "Keith Turk" > > > > > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 4:37 AM > > > > Subject: Re: ECTA > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like dualing shotguns in August. Do I need to bring the 4 > > guage? > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "glen barrett" > > > > > To: "Keith Turk" > > > > > Cc: "landspeed@autox.team.net" > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:24 PM > > > > > Subject: ECTA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth is out, Maxton is not a race, it's a damn turkey shoot > in > > > the > > > > > > Carolina woods. Ha, you just thought we were fooled.It's open > season > > > on > > > > > you > > > > > > TURKEYS > > > > > > Glen (loading the shot gun) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 22 22:59:48 2001 From: "tim cunha" To: landspeedracer@email.msn.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:59:28 -0800 Subject: Re: NEW CARS Street Roadster, 1932 Ford. tim cunha, monterey calif >From: "John Beckett" >To: "Land Speed List" >CC: "Land Speed list - 2" >Subject: NEW CARS >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:41:12 -0500 > >"Guys we need to cut an paste on this deal to keep it clean." > >With the large car count at Speedweek last year, and with the activity on >this >list and Jon's site, it seems the LSR business is booming. Let's see how >many >cars we know of that are actually under construction. Dick J will keep the >list. I'll start: > >ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER TEXAS >Modified Sports Keith Turk Alabama >Comp Coupe Beckett/Timney NC > >OK, Rick, John, Brad, Keith (MS) ???? > >Jerry > > > _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 05:01:08 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 05:57:37 -0600 Subject: Tools... No LSR This was posted on my Healey list....I have seen a couple of these folks handy work....I understand how they could feel this way....K ------------------------- Why does all this sound true to me ? > > THE MODERN TOOLBOX > > Hammer - In ancient times a hammer was used to inflict pain > on ones enemies. Modern hammers are used to inflict pain on > oneself. > > Screwdriver - The drink ordered at the local bar after you > call in a professional repairman to undo the $500 in damage > you did while trying to change out a light socket with your > handy screwdriver. > > Phillips Screwdriver - The bar drink that you order when the > damage estimate is over $1,000. Contains twice the vodka. > > Pliers - A device used to extend your reach the necessary > few inches when you drop a one-of-a-kind screw down behind > the new wall it took you two weeks to install. > > Multi-Pliers - Contain a handy assortment of sharp and > dangerous tools. Best left in its leather sheath and worn on > a homeowners belt to increase testosterone levels. > > Electronic Stud Finder - An annoying device that never goes > off when you point it at yourself. > > Halogen Light - A worklight that lights up your backyard > with the incandescence of a football stadium, causing you to > cast a heavy shadow over the area you're working on so that > you need to use a flashlight anyway. > > Cordless Drill - A device that lessens your chance of > electrocution 90% over a standard plug-in tool. > > Cordless Telephone - The handyman's 911. > > Air Compressor - A mechanical device similar in principal to > harnessing the power of your mother-in-laws nagging > complaints and using the resulting airflow to blast old > paint off the side of the house. > > Chainsaw - Allows you to cut your way out of the shed that > you accidentally built completely around yourself. > > Vise Grips - A pair of helping hands that doesn't critique > the job you're doing or offer advice. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 05:03:47 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "Dick J" , "DrMayf" , Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:13:21 -0500 Subject: Re: NEW CARS Rick Byrnes Lakester, 6 wheels inspired by Tyrrell P34 F1 car of 1975-77. Esslinger "Pinto" power, 3.0L. Being built by Mel Swain. Eventually to become a streamliner. Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 05:18:51 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "Bill & Dee Bennett" , Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:30:38 -0500 Subject: Re: war wagons Actually, I built one two years ago, and It helps a great deal to get everything in/out of the trailer. Started with a Northern Hyd. flat wagon with balloon tires, added 3/4" tubing support, and underslung shelf for the jack. It contains CO2 fire bottle, jack and stands, and a tool box upper and lower. It isn't as fancy as NASCAR rigs, but works very well and takes up less space. For those of us that carry the "kitchen sink" it helps. And its another place to put sponsors logos. :=D Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 06:32:43 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:32:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: New Cars Hi Folks, my XXF/GR isn't new now, but I've been doing a lot of rework this winter trying to make improvements. New rear gear to allow more mph for the rpm was fairly simple with a Currie chunk and a rubber gasket that hasn't leaked yet (9" Ford). Tilton hydraulic clutch that looks promising. At least the pedal effort is now half what it was with my M. Mouse mechanical linkage, with a good feel. This installation takes a great deal of thought and care since there are so many variables. I'm going to have to get my engine to idle at 1000 instead of 2000, and a good clutch disengagement, so the starting line thing works better. With the Hilborn the engine wanted to idle at 2000 with the butterflies shut, due to the built-in air leak, and the only way to slow it down is by over-richening the mixture. Last year sitting at staging area for a minute or two in gear at 2000 wore my thrust bearing noticeably, so that's a no-no. I know there have to be hold-ups until the Starter gets the course clear. Still working on my 290 Ardun. Getting close to completion. Fitting the full-floating rod bearings was an experience in itself. Hope they're "in good." Half of this kind of engine is hand-made, so you can't just throw it together. See you at Maxton! Ardun Bill in the Great Dismal Swamp, Chesapeake, VA /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 06:36:54 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Richard Kensicki'" , Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:36:24 -0700 Subject: RE: war wagons Hi Rich, Circle Track magazine had an article on building a war wagon about six months ago. It used a standard roll away plus additional cabinets & storage built in. You might get in touch with them and ask for a back issue. That's a good magazine anyway, lots of tech articles, etc. Dale C. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // Subject: war wagons Anyone ever build one of those NASCAR tool wagons? I want to put one together so I can put my tool chest in it. This way I can bring every tool I own. Found some sites that sell parts, and complete wagons, but all at prices that make me cringe? RichK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Mouse mechanical linkage, with a good > feel. This installation takes a great deal of thought and care since > there are so many variables. I'm going to have to get my engine to idle > at 1000 instead of 2000, and a good clutch disengagement, so the > starting line thing works better. What built in air leak?? I suspect you have worn shalf bushing.. the nozzles should not leak that much air. If the timing is locked at max that will make it idle fast too. You might want to check the butterflys for being seated with the engine hot it can make a big difference. But I have yet to see or want a race engine that idles at 1000 rpm 1500 maybe.. With the Hilborn the engine wanted to > idle at 2000 with the butterflies shut, due to the built-in air leak, > and the only way to slow it down is by over-richening the mixture. Last > year sitting at staging area for a minute or two in gear at 2000 wore my > thrust bearing noticeably, so that's a no-no. You have a transmission with no neutral ???? If you just have an in out box and no other gears you are giving up a lot of track.. I know there have to be > hold-ups until the Starter gets the course clear. > > Still working on my 290 Ardun. Getting close to completion. Fitting the > full-floating rod bearings was an experience in itself. Hope they're "in > good." Half of this kind of engine is hand-made, so you can't just throw > it together. See you at Maxton! Ardun Bill in the Great Dismal Swamp, > Chesapeake, VA /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 07:20:08 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , JERRY FOSTER , Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:00:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fuel Needs How much gasoline do you suppose it's gonna take to run my Camaro down the line at Bonneville. Will a 2 gallon supply be enought to get me from the start line to the finish line? ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 07:44:43 2001 From: Dick J To: JERRY FOSTER , Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:06:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: NEW CARS As you guys add your "Under Construction" racers, or racers you know of, it will be easier if you delete ALL of the message you are tacking onto so that only the new material appears. I will post the chart to the list whenever there are significant changes, that way you can look at it, and save it to replace the old one in one of your folders if you want to hang onto it. ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 07:59:52 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Dick J" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:59:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Fuel Needs Approx. .5 lbs fuel per HP per hour. Soooo, 600 HP X .5 = 300 /60 = 5 lbs per minute. 2 min. run : 2 X 5 = 10 / 6.2 = 1.6 gal per run. (6.2 is approx. weight of a gal. of fuel) So, you will have no problem on the short course, and could make it on the long course, assuming your fuel pick-up can empty the tank. (I would go with 3 gal or more to allow for future HP upgrades) Ed Dick J wrote: > How much gasoline do you suppose it's gonna take > to run my Camaro down the line at Bonneville. > Will a 2 gallon supply be enought to get me from > the start line to the finish line? > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 08:11:24 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: landspeedracer@email.msn.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:09:37 EST Subject: Re: NEW CARS In a message dated 3/22/2001 9:43:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, landspeedracer@email.msn.com writes: << ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER TEXAS Modified Sports Keith Turk Alabama Comp Coupe Beckett/Timney NC >> Modified Sports Paul Stivers Ca. F/MS /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 08:16:43 2001 From: Dick J To: Jonathan Amo , Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:26:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: NEW CARS NEWER This is great. Having all this info posted on Jons website will be much better than trying to keep an e-mail chart updated. I sent him everything I had, and all you guys send info directly to Jon's page at http://www.landracing.com Thanks Dick J in East Texas --- Jonathan Amo wrote: > List, > > This was a very interesting topic Jerry has > brought up. Wounder how many vehicles > are actually being built. > I have started a page to submit your vehicles > that are in the process of being > built. > If you goto http://www.landracing.com you will > find a link at the beginning of > the page to submit your vehicle that is being > built. I will keep the records as > best as I can. > > Great subject Jerry, I have started by > submitting my project to the list. > > Jonathan Amo > http://www.landracing.com > > > Chuck Rothfuss wrote: > > > >ROADSTER JERRY FOSTER > TEXAS > > >Modified Sports Keith Turk > Alabama > > >Comp Coupe Beckett/Timney > NC > > GT Chuck Rothfuss > NC Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 09:48:30 2001 From: "Chris \"Dad\" Land" To: Keith Turk Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:44:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Maxton March/April Meet thank you mr. turk...............................but i'll be dragging my bike there to see/have fun with you great bunch of guys. "lucille" will take her maiden voyage in march........................and i'll spend the first half the season finishing her and working the buggs out,etc. mikey is building 2) 100cc noise makers and i'm building 2 bikes...both 30 yr. old cast iron harleys to run. one will be 61 cu. in. and the other is a 100 cu. in. old drag bike but it'll come late in the season. .the blower will come on the 61 cu in will come mid season. so don't laugh but i'll run what i got and have fun! thats what it's all about rite? thanks for the offer..see you there....oldad #566 ȵ + Keith Turk wrote: > Hey Guys.... don't want ya to think I am not willing here.... ANYONE wanting > to attend a Meet at Maxton I am willing to pick you up in Atlanta Or > Charlotte Friday and deliver you back Sunday.... We'll make sure your nappy > butt gets toted around.... We will supply Fun by the Gross and other then > that the whining and dining is on you.... > > This First meet also happens to be the Annual Banquet/ Points Dinner > > Just thought I would offer.... > > Keith ( yes arrangements can be made at a later date for any meet other then > Apr/May ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 11:09:07 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:15:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: KEITH Keith, despite the purple fire suit, fake rocks, teddy bear, blue hair, whateverallelse (that's a southern word for ya'll nawthern guys) - - You are actually a pretty OK guy. Uh, would you consider swinging by Texas and hauling my car in your trailer?? hee hee hee DJ --- Keith Turk wrote: > Hey Guys.... don't want ya to think I am not > willing here.... ANYONE wanting > to attend a Meet at Maxton I am willing to pick > you up in Atlanta Or > Charlotte Friday and deliver you back > Sunday.... We'll make sure your nappy > butt gets toted around.... We will supply Fun > by the Gross and other then > that the whining and dining is on you.... > > This First meet also happens to be the Annual > Banquet/ Points Dinner > > Just thought I would offer.... > > Keith ( yes arrangements can be made at a later > date for any meet other then > Apr/May ) ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 11:21:10 2001 From: Dick J To: DrMayf Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:53:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Truth or ?? The following was sent to me as "supposed true story" on my other e-mail. I want a genuine rocket scientists opinion. Trught or ???? > -Idiot Story- > > The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal embedded > into the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. > The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it was a car. > The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. > > The lab finally figured out what it was and what had happened. It seems > that a guy had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet Assisted Take Off > - actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give heavy military > transport planes and an extra "push" for taking off from short > airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found > a long, straight stretch of road. Then he attached the JATO unit to his > car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! > > The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of the > 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 > miles from the crash site. This was determined by the prominent scorched > and melted asphalt at that location. The JATO, if operating properly, > would have reached maximum thrust within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to > reach speeds well in excess of 350 miles per hour and continuing full > power for an additional 20-25 seconds. The driver, soon to be pilot, > most likely would have experienced G-forces usually reserved for > dog-fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners, basically causing him > to become insignificant for the remainder of the event. > > However, the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 > miles (15-20) seconds before the driver applied and completely melted > the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road > surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and > impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened > crater 3 feet deep in the rock. > > Most of the driver's remains were not recoverable; however, small > fragments of bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater and > fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris > believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 11:35:18 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Dick J" , Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:39:46 -0600 Subject: Re: KEITH Ain't picking up GUY wearing a Blue teddy in Nowhere Texas .... Keith ---------- > From: Dick J > To: Keith Turk ; land-speed@autox.team.net > Subject: KEITH > Date: Friday, March 23, 2001 11:15 AM > > Keith, despite the purple fire suit, fake rocks, > teddy bear, blue hair, whateverallelse (that's a > southern word for ya'll nawthern guys) - - You > are actually a pretty OK guy. > > Uh, would you consider swinging by Texas and > hauling my car in your trailer?? > hee hee hee > > DJ > > --- Keith Turk wrote: > > Hey Guys.... don't want ya to think I am not > > willing here.... ANYONE wanting > > to attend a Meet at Maxton I am willing to pick > > you up in Atlanta Or > > Charlotte Friday and deliver you back > > Sunday.... We'll make sure your nappy > > butt gets toted around.... We will supply Fun > > by the Gross and other then > > that the whining and dining is on you.... > > > > This First meet also happens to be the Annual > > Banquet/ Points Dinner > > > > Just thought I would offer.... > > > > Keith ( yes arrangements can be made at a later > > date for any meet other then > > Apr/May ) > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 11:46:49 2001 From: "Richard Fox" To: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:42:35 -0800 Subject: Harassment List; At about 8am this mourning a city truck pulled up in front of my driveway and the driver proceeded to punch a hole in the sidewalk and plant a speed limit sign (25mph) at the end of my driveway. Are they trying to tell me something? Is this harassment? Rich Fox /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 11:56:27 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:54:43 -0000 Subject: truth or Dick, it's good to see you read the message board at land racing! this story was reported in this country (Britain) getting on for 9 years ago in a supposed factual magazine, I can only presume it's true, whilst you've got to feel sorry for the guy involved wouldn't it be great if it really is true. If Keiths going to "swing by Texas" do you think he could borrow one of those helicopters and swing by Britain? Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 12:42:59 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Dick J'" , Keith Turk , Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:42:04 -0700 Subject: RE: KEITH Hey Keith, If you're going to do that, swing on out to Arizona. You can get cigarettes on the reservations way cheap! ROTFL Dale C. Keith, despite the purple fire suit, fake rocks, teddy bear, blue hair, whateverallelse (that's a southern word for ya'll nawthern guys) - - You are actually a pretty OK guy. Uh, would you consider swinging by Texas and hauling my car in your trailer?? hee hee hee DJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 12:54:14 2001 From: Dick J To: John Beckett , Keith Turk Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:30:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Fuel Needs Hmmm. Hadn't looked at it from that point of view. I was hoping to move my fuel tank up into the right front fender area, and the space I have would be easy to slip a two gallon tank in. I could squeeze three or maybe four there, but I'm not sure about five. I'll do some new measuring tonight. I can probably get five in there, but it's going to have to be a really unique, custom shape. Dick J --- John Beckett wrote: > Dick > > Unless you want to have your tank resealed > before every run I would suggest > something in the 5 gal. range. > > JB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick J" > To: "Keith Turk" ; "JERRY > FOSTER" ; "LSR > Group" > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:00 AM > Subject: Fuel Needs > > > > How much gasoline do you suppose it's gonna > take > > to run my Camaro down the line at Bonneville. > > Will a 2 gallon supply be enought to get me > from > > the start line to the finish line? > > > > ===== > > Dick J > > In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 13:03:13 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:02:55 -0000 Subject: harassment maybe they left a 0 out Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 13:04:14 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: Richard Fox Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:59:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Harassment well did they face it so you could read it coming out of the driveway?? Was it your personal sign?? LOL.... That's the easiest way to tell! Dave Richard Fox wrote: > > List; At about 8am this mourning a city truck pulled up in front of my > driveway and the driver proceeded to punch a hole in the sidewalk and plant a > speed limit sign (25mph) at the end of my driveway. Are they trying to tell me > something? Is this harassment? Rich Fox /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 13:16:37 2001 From: Dick J To: bellytk@nh.ultranet.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:14:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Article John , I was surprised when I saw your name after the little article on using the Lakewood bellhousing on a flathead. As I was reading it, I was saying to my wife, Hmmmph, I already knew this, one o the guys on the list told me about it. Then, sure as beans, there's your name right at the end. Good deal. Share the knowledge. Wonder how that would work with an early hemi. Gotto go check EBay for an old Lakewood now. Dick J ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 13:19:49 2001 From: Dick J To: Richard Fox , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:25:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Correct that sign - it was put up in error. Rich, Just getchya a small can of black paint, one of those little pen brushes like kids use for water colors, go down to that sign, and paint on a bid "O" right after where it says "25". Dick J --- Richard Fox wrote: > List; At about 8am this mourning a city truck > pulled up in front of my > driveway and the driver proceeded to punch a > hole in the sidewalk and plant a > speed limit sign (25mph) at the end of my > driveway. Are they trying to tell me > something? Is this harassment? Rich Fox ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 14:22:19 2001 From: "Rick Yacoucci" To: "Clay, Dale" , Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:22:13 -0800 Subject: Re: KEITH Hey Keith If you're going to go to Arizona can you go a little further to California and pick me up also?? Rick PS got plenty of diet sodas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Dick J'" ; "Keith Turk" ; Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: RE: KEITH > Hey Keith, > > If you're going to do that, swing on out to Arizona. You can get cigarettes > on the reservations way cheap! > > ROTFL > Dale C. > > > Keith, despite the purple fire suit, fake rocks, > teddy bear, blue hair, whateverallelse (that's a > southern word for ya'll nawthern guys) - - You > are actually a pretty OK guy. > > Uh, would you consider swinging by Texas and > hauling my car in your trailer?? > hee hee hee > > DJ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 14:51:27 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Dick J'" , DrMayf Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:50:16 -0700 Subject: RE: Truth or ?? I thought Darrell Waltrip said that was how Meteor Crater was formed. He's surely never been known to stretch the truth ... Ya'll have a good weekend! Dale C. :) //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Subject: Truth or ?? The following was sent to me as "supposed true story" on my other e-mail. I want a genuine rocket scientists opinion. Trught or ???? > -Idiot Story- > > The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal embedded > into the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. > The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it was a car. > The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. > > The lab finally figured out what it was and what had happened. It seems > that a guy had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet Assisted Take Off > - actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give heavy military > transport planes and an extra "push" for taking off from short > airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found > a long, straight stretch of road. Then he attached the JATO unit to his > car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! > > The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of the > 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 > miles from the crash site. This was determined by the prominent scorched > and melted asphalt at that location. The JATO, if operating properly, > would have reached maximum thrust within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to > reach speeds well in excess of 350 miles per hour and continuing full > power for an additional 20-25 seconds. The driver, soon to be pilot, > most likely would have experienced G-forces usually reserved for > dog-fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners, basically causing him > to become insignificant for the remainder of the event. > > However, the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 > miles (15-20) seconds before the driver applied and completely melted > the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road > surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and > impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened > crater 3 feet deep in the rock. > > Most of the driver's remains were not recoverable; however, small > fragments of bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater and > fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris > believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. ===== Dick J ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 14:54:21 2001 From: "Jon Wennerberg" To: "LSR list \(E-mail\)" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:54:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Harrasment Reminds me of the time I found an old highway sign - "Turn Off Two-Way Radio", and posted it in plain sight from the highway in front of the house. One of my fellow ham radio operators asked soon thereafter: "What's the matter, Jon. Are you absent minded?" Seldom Seen Jon /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 15:10:49 2001 From: "Richard Fox" To: "Dave Dahlgren" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:06:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Harassment Pretty hard to miss seeing it. My driveway is only about 19 feet long. I'm gonna need good bite to make it. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Dave Dahlgren To: Richard Fox Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Friday, March 23, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Harassment >well did they face it so you could read it coming out of the >driveway?? Was it your personal sign?? LOL.... That's the >easiest way to tell! >Dave > >Richard Fox wrote: >> >> List; At about 8am this mourning a city truck pulled up in front of my >> driveway and the driver proceeded to punch a hole in the sidewalk and plant a >> speed limit sign (25mph) at the end of my driveway. Are they trying to tell me >> something? Is this harassment? Rich Fox /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 15:13:54 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: Dick J Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:46:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Truth or ?? Now I don't claim rocket science status, but this sounds like a Texas story, I have heard it before, so maybe not. I suspect that it didn't happen, the end results are believable if someone was to try something like that on the highway. Now at Bonneville the results could have been different. Think about it Keith, this may be better than nitrous! Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC Dick J wrote: > > The following was sent to me as "supposed true > story" on my other e-mail. I want a genuine > rocket scientists opinion. Trught or ???? > > > -Idiot Story- > > > > The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of > smoldering metal embedded > > into the side of a cliff rising above the road > at the apex of a curve. > > The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane > crash, but it was a car. > > The type of car was unidentifiable at the > scene. > > > > The lab finally figured out what it was and > what had happened. It seems > > that a guy had somehow gotten hold of a JATO > unit (Jet Assisted Take Off > > - actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to > give heavy military > > transport planes and an extra "push" for taking > off from short > > airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out > into the desert and found > > a long, straight stretch of road. Then he > attached the JATO unit to his > > car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off > the JATO! > > > > The facts as best as could be determined are > that the operator of the > > 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance > of approximately 3.0 > > miles from the crash site. This was determined > by the prominent scorched > > and melted asphalt at that location. The JATO, > if operating properly, > > would have reached maximum thrust within 5 > seconds, causing the Chevy to > > reach speeds well in excess of 350 miles per > hour and continuing full > > power for an additional 20-25 seconds. The > driver, soon to be pilot, > > most likely would have experienced G-forces > usually reserved for > > dog-fighting F-14 jocks under full > afterburners, basically causing him > > to become insignificant for the remainder of > the event. > > > > However, the automobile remained on the > straight highway for about 2.5 > > miles (15-20) seconds before the driver applied > and completely melted > > the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick > rubber marks on the road > > surface, then becoming airborne for an > additional 1.4 miles and > > impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 > feet leaving a blackened > > crater 3 feet deep in the rock. > > > > Most of the driver's remains were not > recoverable; however, small > > fragments of bone, teeth and hair were > extracted from the crater and > > fingernail and bone shards were removed from a > piece of debris > > believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 15:45:30 2001 From: "Doug Anderson" To: lsr_man@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:45:15 -0000 Subject: Re: Correct that sign - it was put up in error. -fer shame onyu Dick J .....I thought yu wuz a cop onetime ????? -tisk tisk tisk LOL :0 ) -dIrTy DoUg LoSt In nEw yOAaK XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX From: Dick J " Rich, Just getchya a small can of black paint, one of those little pen brushes like kids use for water colors, go down to that sign, and paint on a biG "O" right after where it says "25" -Dick J " _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 16:55:22 2001 From: Richard Kensicki To: glen barrett Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:57:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Big Block Chevy crank question Thanks for info. C&A website has the phone number as 661-295-2900 RichK glen barrett wrote: > Rich > C&A phone number is 661-295-1900, fax 661-295-1905 > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Kensicki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 4:08 PM > Subject: Big Block Chevy crank question > > > Anyone in the group familiar with BBCs? Looking at some Childs & Albert > > aluminum rods and they list 2 different big end bores, 2.225 and 2.325. > > 2.20 is the what I'm used to seeing the big end sized at. Is the larger > > one for a thicker bearing shell? Don't remember seeing a crank with that > > size journal. The only number I have for C & A is off their web site > > (661) 295-2900 and I get a phone disconnected when I call. Does someone > > have a better number? Are they still in business? > > > > Rich Kensicki /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 17:02:10 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: v4gr@rcn.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:01:20 EST Subject: Re: Harassment << List; At about 8am this mourning a city truck pulled up in front of my driveway and the driver proceeded to punch a hole in the sidewalk and plant a speed limit sign (25mph) at the end of my driveway. Are they trying to tell me something? Is this harassment? Rich Fox >> I think the NASCAR pit road speed limit is 45MPH. Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 17:02:10 2001 From: Richard Kensicki To: Flowbench@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:04:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Big Block Chevy crank question Thanks Mike; I was staring at the journal numbers when my brain sorta slipped in neutral. Been happening a lot lately. RichK Flowbench@aol.com wrote: > Rich, the #'s are the i.d of the rod, not bearing journal size. > 2.225 would be for a 2.100 small block journal on a BB crank. > 2.325 would be for a stock 2.200 BB journal. > > Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 17:08:39 2001 From: Richard Kensicki To: Dave Dahlgren Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:11:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Harassment Did they put it right in the middle of your driveway, or next to it? RichK Dave Dahlgren wrote: > well did they face it so you could read it coming out of the > driveway?? Was it your personal sign?? LOL.... That's the > easiest way to tell! > Dave > > Richard Fox wrote: > > > > List; At about 8am this mourning a city truck pulled up in front of my > > driveway and the driver proceeded to punch a hole in the sidewalk and plant a > > speed limit sign (25mph) at the end of my driveway. Are they trying to tell me > > something? Is this harassment? Rich Fox /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 17:37:15 2001 From: Richard Kensicki To: Rick Byrnes Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:39:31 -0500 Subject: Re: war wagons This sounds like something in my budget. RichK Rick Byrnes wrote: > Actually, I built one two years ago, and It helps a great deal to get > everything in/out of the trailer. Started with a Northern Hyd. flat wagon > with balloon tires, added 3/4" tubing support, and underslung shelf for the > jack. It contains CO2 fire bottle, jack and stands, and a tool box upper > and lower. It isn't as fancy as NASCAR rigs, but works very well and takes > up less space. For those of us that carry the "kitchen sink" it helps. And > its another place to put sponsors logos. :=D > > Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 17:45:21 2001 From: Chuck Rothfuss To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:33:57 -0500 Subject: Fire bottle certification List, First let me say that I really appreciated all the folks that helped me out with the fire suit dry cleaning issue. Thank you for the sound advice. This years newest setback for me seems to be fire system recertification. Last year I'd had my bottles inspected and weighed without any problems. I was told that one was approaching 20 years of age and would require hydrostatic testing in 2002. ...Well, this year I called a new (and apparently better informed) company who came to my work place to inspect the bottles. After numerous phone calls and checking of regulations I was informed that they couldn't inspect my bottles since I could provide no "standards" for the operation of the system in my application. "Standards"??? I just want it to put out a fire. I thought that was the whole reason for fire systems. Every piece of racing hardware I've ever seen contains the standard disclaimer that starts out with "Auto racing is inherently dangerous...." So where do I go from here? I did learn something in all this. Fire bottles used in fixed system (computer room, boats, etc.) have no requirement for hydrostatic testing, regardless of age. (others require hydrostatic testing every 12 years) I also learned that while I could have my 1301 halon recovered and reused after this testing, the same could not be said for my old smaller 1211/1301 (mix?) agent bottle. Since everyone has to deal with this annually, has anyone else run into this sort of problem? Since it's doubtful that I'll find "standards" for use of halon in a land-speed application how the devil am I gonna get these bottles properly inspected and certified as the rulebook requires? Help! Chuck Rothfuss ECTA Pole Cat Hollow, NC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 19:07:20 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: turborick@TurboRick.com, Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com, lsr_man@yahoo.com, Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:05:50 EST Subject: Re: KEITH Keith, sence your going to be in California to pick up Rick, Drop your block off. Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 20:09:04 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:08:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: New Cars In response to Dave's questions, I have a four-speed, but the fast idle and defective clutch linkage I started out with last year resulted in very difficult gear selection at rest, from clutch drag. I expect the hydraulic throwout bearing will improve matters. The air-leak I referred to is the one resulting from the amount of daylight around the closed throttle plates in this early Hilborn injector, despite the fact that the plates are installed right side up, regardless of how they are adjusted, and after the hot-adjustment in the book. The plates are made so that at full throttle, there is perhaps 1/32" end play in the throttle shaft assy, apparently so they won't bind in the bores, and this represents a permanent air leak, apparently designed-in. The plates and bores are not worn, and the throttle shaft is just free to rotate, but probably some air does leak past it. I don't think Hilborn is concerned about that point unless it becomes severely worn, it affects the idle speed issue, but nothing else. I do have an advancer in the Vertex mag, so it starts at 20 degrees which the engine likes, and advances to 44 degrees by about 2500 rpm, which is correct for the "cartridge fire" Ardun heads which involve a little inherent retard of the ignition. The veterans tell me that richening the idle is the only real way to slow your Hilborn down. One respected Ardun Bonneville man said he can get his down to 1000. 1200 - 1500 would probably be okay too if the clutch releases fully and well as it should. But some other experts tell me their Hilborns are not like mine, and don't have these built-in air leaks. Maybe it's because mine are early ones. I don't know. I'm not disturbed about it in any case, the instrument is made for full-throttle running as priority 1 and at that, it's very, very good. I got the car to work last September at Maxton. Now I'm trying to develop it a little to be more manageable and not hurt itself. Cheers Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 20:58:23 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:58:04 EST Subject: Re: Fire bottle certification In a message dated 03/23/2001 4:46:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, crothfuss@coastalnet.com writes: << Since everyone has to deal with this annually, has anyone else run into this sort of problem? Since it's doubtful that I'll find "standards" for use of halon in a land-speed application how the devil am I gonna get these bottles properly inspected and certified as the rulebook requires? Help! Chuck Rothfuss ECTA Pole Cat Hollow, NC / >> Chuck, Roy Creel is the SCTA Fire Systems Guru. I've never had any experience with any "standards" for the systems. All I've come into contact with is the hydrostatic testing to make sure the bottle won't burst when pressurized. My bottles are non-refillable aluminum, which brings up the "Catch-22" of hydrostatic testing every few years. You have to empty them to test them, rendering them unusable since they cannot be refilled. The average fire extinguisher service facility won't even weigh them if they are due for testing. I finally found an aircraft Halon refilling station that would certify the weight of the bottles without haggling about the hydrostatic test. The legislation that refilling systems "hand-their-hat's-on" regards the hydrostatic testing is the law that prohibits transportation of out-of-date pressure vessels on the highway. In reality, this legislation evidently applies only to transportation on certified "common-carriers" and doesn't apply to transporting in private vehicles. Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 21:04:08 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:03:48 EST Subject: Re: Fire bottle certification Chuck, One further thought. I'd find a different fire extinguisher service station, one that wasn't so concerned with CYA.............Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 22:41:09 2001 From: "Richard Fox" To: , Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:36:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Fire bottle certification List; I don't know what the deal is but I can get aluminum bottles refilled and certified here at Al Liest Machine Shop Service. Of course I some times work there, but the guy who fills Al bottles will do yours. Rich Fox -----Original Message----- From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Friday, March 23, 2001 08:06 PM Subject: Re: Fire bottle certification /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 23 23:00:04 2001 From: " saltsix" To: "land-speed" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:46:0 -0800 Subject: Fire system I have a phoenix system and they provided me with a letter that states only weight and reading of the needle and a visual inspection is needed to cert. their bottles.Before that They would call the shop where I was getting the annual done. --- R.D.Hedstrom --- saltsix@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 04:33:21 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: ardunbill@webtv.net Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:28:29 -0500 Subject: Re: New Cars If it were me then I would do a couple of things. Buy a set of blades that are made correctly for the bore diameter. They are cheap like 10 bucks a piece. Install a couple of end stops so the blades stay centered if necessary. Check the roundness of the bores in the injector housing that the blades seat in, if need be have them bored slightly oversize and get blades to match. Finally adjust the idle mixture about 1 flat on the hex link to the rich side from best idle, maybe 2 depending on how it leaves the line. You really don't want to start a pass with the engine loaded up. With your clutch working now put it in neutral while it warms up.. My take on it any way.. Not telling you what to do but some suggestions anyway, I have been down the same road before and these thing usually fixed it all up. Dave Dahlgren ardunbill@webtv.net wrote: > > In response to Dave's questions, I have a four-speed, but the fast idle > and defective clutch linkage I started out with last year resulted in > very difficult gear selection at rest, from clutch drag. I expect the > hydraulic throwout bearing will improve matters. > > The air-leak I referred to is the one resulting from the amount of > daylight around the closed throttle plates in this early Hilborn > injector, despite the fact that the plates are installed right side up, > regardless of how they are adjusted, and after the hot-adjustment in the > book. The plates are made so that at full throttle, there is perhaps > 1/32" end play in the throttle shaft assy, apparently so they won't bind > in the bores, and this represents a permanent air leak, apparently > designed-in. The plates and bores are not worn, and the throttle shaft > is just free to rotate, but probably some air does leak past it. I > don't think Hilborn is concerned about that point unless it becomes > severely worn, it affects the idle speed issue, but nothing else. > > I do have an advancer in the Vertex mag, so it starts at 20 degrees > which the engine likes, and advances to 44 degrees by about 2500 rpm, > which is correct for the "cartridge fire" Ardun heads which involve a > little inherent retard of the ignition. > > The veterans tell me that richening the idle is the only real way to > slow your Hilborn down. One respected Ardun Bonneville man said he can > get his down to 1000. 1200 - 1500 would probably be okay too if the > clutch releases fully and well as it should. But some other experts > tell me their Hilborns are not like mine, and don't have these built-in > air leaks. Maybe it's because mine are early ones. I don't know. I'm > not disturbed about it in any case, the instrument is made for > full-throttle running as priority 1 and at that, it's very, very good. > > I got the car to work last September at Maxton. Now I'm trying to > develop it a little to be more manageable and not hurt itself. Cheers > Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 04:36:26 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: Richard Fox Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:31:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Harassment Now i would consider it a challenge to hit 25 in 19 feet :>) Hey they started it LOL.. Dave Richard Fox wrote: > > Pretty hard to miss seeing it. My driveway is only about 19 feet long. I'm > gonna need good bite to make it. Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Dahlgren > To: Richard Fox > Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net > Date: Friday, March 23, 2001 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: Harassment > > >well did they face it so you could read it coming out of the > >driveway?? Was it your personal sign?? LOL.... That's the > >easiest way to tell! > >Dave > > > >Richard Fox wrote: > >> > >> List; At about 8am this mourning a city truck pulled up in front of my > >> driveway and the driver proceeded to punch a hole in the sidewalk and > plant a > >> speed limit sign (25mph) at the end of my driveway. Are they trying to > tell me > >> something? Is this harassment? Rich Fox /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 08:05:31 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:05:11 EST Subject: Re: Fire bottle certification In a message dated 03/24/2001 4:11:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, crothfuss@coastalnet.com writes: << If they don't remember me I may be able to pass them off as my "computer room" system. Just one of the little troubles with living 20 miles from anywhere. Chuck Pole Cat Hollow, NC >> Chuck, Good idea. It ain't rocket science...............Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 08:36:28 2001 From: "The Butters Family" To: "Rick Byrnes" , "Dick J" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:40:15 -0800 Subject: Re: NEW CARS ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Byrnes To: Dick J ; DrMayf ; John Beckett ; Land Speed List Cc: Land Speed list - 2 Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 4:13 AM Subject: Re: NEW CARS > Rick Byrnes > Lakester, 6 wheels inspired by Tyrrell P34 F1 car of 1975-77. Esslinger > "Pinto" power, 3.0L. Being built by Mel Swain. Eventually to become a > streamliner. > > Rick > > /// > /// .team.net > /// Rick Gee you must have the only vehical the Tyrrell ever inspired. You probably could have just bought one of the originals, They are shurly tucked away in some warehouse in England, Actually I kind of liked them, I"m into original thinking. Unfortunately my mind does very little, original or not. See you at WOS2001 Kvach. > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 09:59:04 2001 From: "JOHN BACKUS" <34ford@msn.com> To: , "land-speed" Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:13:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Time Dilation I just had to put my 2 cents worth in here. Having done both, driving a fuel dragster is very different from a LSR ride. The brain has a way of dealing with situations where you have to act fast in a short time. A fuel dragster does not go straight down the track, you need to drive about 1/3 of a mile to drive that 1/4 mile. You also have to do things like advance the mags, I had one shift. and of course hit the fuel shutoff and chute controls, all in a matter of seconds. I remember the first run of the year always felt like I went faster than GOD meant man to go but it felt slower after that. John 309 A/F ----- Original Message ----- From: RAWAWA@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 8:21 PM To: land-speed@autox.team.net Subject: Time Dilation Seriously ,LSR fans, comparing the speed of light to 300 mph can't possibly explain any individuals' on-track experiences,whether drags or LSR...It would seem more likely that we are so "wired" and endo-morphed up that we have such vivid recall. Considering a past thread, if we drive reversed-body roadsters at high speeds on the long course,can we go back in time ?.....Jack,are you there ?. ................................Bob K/GL time machine Wanner in NY
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/// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 10:13:46 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:13:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fire Systems Hi Folks, just wanted to mention Firefox in PA. I use their 5 lb bottles. Probably others here do too. Simple installation, not too expensive, non-toxic, 800 number, credit cards, sensible response. For recert you can de-pressurize the bottle of its nitrogen propellant harmlessly like deflating a tire, legally and safely send the bottle back to Firefox via regular UPS, and they will inspect, re-pressurize and recertify it for a modest charge, and return it to you promptly. You never have to leave home, UPS does the legwork. Seems pretty ideal to me. Cheers Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 10:17:38 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: ddahlgren@snet.net (Dave Dahlgren), land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:17:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: New Cars Dave, those are good and insightful suggestions on optimizing a Hilborn. Cheers Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 10:20:09 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:19:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Fire bottle certification Doug, You don't say whose system this is, but, I am a few hundred miles from my system supplier and have been allowed to have them weighed by a fire extinguisher service organization and tagged. Of course, you need to know what the correct weight is. Originally, the weight of the empty bottle and bottle with content will be affixed to the bottle. Jim Deist says, "testing of the lines that deliver the product is the most important." If you get a leak in the bottle, it will likely empty itself anyway. Short of shipping the bottles back to the supplier for certification, I know of no other way to meet the requirements. As for testing of the bottle, I know of no standards, I suspect though that there are some. Any pressure vessel has a service life expectancy. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC ARDUNDOUG@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 03/23/2001 4:46:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, > crothfuss@coastalnet.com writes: > > << Since everyone has to deal with this annually, has anyone else run into > this sort of problem? Since it's doubtful that I'll find "standards" for > use of halon in a land-speed application how the devil am I gonna get these > bottles properly inspected and certified as the rulebook requires? > > Help! > > Chuck Rothfuss > ECTA > Pole Cat Hollow, NC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 12:12:05 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:11:38 EST Subject: Re: Fire bottle certification In a message dated 03/24/2001 9:21:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, saltracer@awwwsome.com writes: << Doug, You don't say whose system this is, but, I am a few hundred miles from my system supplier and have been allowed to have them weighed by a fire extinguisher service organization and tagged. Of course, you need to know what the correct weight is. Originally, the weight of the empty bottle and bottle with content will be affixed to the bottle. Jim Deist says, "testing of the lines that deliver the product is the most important." If you get a leak in the bottle, it will likely empty itself anyway. Short of shipping the bottles back to the supplier for certification, I know of no other way to meet the requirements. As for testing of the bottle, I know of no standards, I suspect though that there are some. Any pressure vessel has a service life expectancy. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC >> Tom, My bottles are the Phoenix aluminum type which supposedly cannot be refilled, although my local aircraft Halon guy will gladly do it. Where I first had the problem was after the bottles passed their 5th birthday and the "old-time" traditional fire extinguisher shop balked at continuing to certificate the weight without hydrostatic testing, even though I had a letter from Phoenix stating that the bottles were not to be emptied and refilled. I think that Phoenix was just angling for more business. It was then that I discovered that the rule that bottles had to have 5 year hydrostatic testing or they couldn't be transported on the hiways referred to commercial carriers only. Regards steel bottles, I believe that most extinguisher service places can do the hydrostatic testing job every 5 years. I have no knowledge of anybody being required to furnish application standards for the end use of the extinguisher. The aircraft extinguisher place that does mine in Oakland just weighs the bottles annually, compares that weight to the sticker figures, affixes a supplemental sticker, takes my $20, and everybody parts company with a smile.......Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 12:53:58 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "The Butters Family" , Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:06:38 -0500 Subject: Re: NEW CARS Subject: Re: NEW CARS You probably could have just bought one of the originals, They are > shurly tucked away in some warehouse in England, Actually I kind of liked > them Not with a 212" wheelbase and almost no downforce. Overall length I expect to be 25 feet. (Removable nose and tail)(parachute tubes are 36" X 5.5") The late nosedive of the market however may slow me down a little. When the present cash, car fund is gone, I may have to wait some time to sell a bunch of stock. Now, I need to figure out how to finish it for less direct funding. I guess that may mean more time.......We will be testing at ECTA events. Don't know when yet, but as others have indicated, knowing what you can do on the salt has a direct relationship to testing. While sound engineering and attention to detail are our most valuable tools, there is no replacement for experience. Happy weekend to everyone. Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 17:43:43 2001 From: "Doug Anderson" To: land-speed@autox.team.net, cbailey@sprise.com, av8ford@volcano.net, Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:43:19 -0000 Subject: Phoenix ! Sat night, kickin backwatchin a tape delay of the USAC midgets from the Phoenix Copper World (actually run a week or two ago. .)on ESPN 2. Boy those things are awesome! Love to watch really good , well hooked up openwheel racin Especially when theres NO wings yah we know theyre safer with, but dam they just look sooooo much better without. Those 9 cars of Steve Lewis/Bob East haul Butt. Course it could be argued that they are, to put it mildly, well funded.but man, they DO go. JJ Yeley is doin a great job, passing the new kid Kasey Kane for Enumclaw, Washington. Dave Darland aint no slouch either. Musical chairs; all three ofem. Now Michael Lewis from Indiana passesem all! What a race! These guys are flying! Lewis wins by a car length! Kahne come up behind Lewis, and spins him out during the cool down lap,.....! hmmm, whats that allabout ? Better yet,none other than AJ Foyt is Lewis' sponsor.cool! cai't get no beddda then thet boys! AH-HA! LATE NEWS! KASEY KAHNE'S AND DARLAND'S CARS WERE DISQUALIFIED BY USAC: TOO LIGHT...... The Silver Crown cars are next.......mebbe I'll be back with a "blow by blow" report of that one too. Annybody wanna hear about it? back to da' TV....... -Dirty Doug _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 18:44:26 2001 From: "Doug Anderson" To: land-speed@autox.team.net, cbailey@sprise.com, av8ford@volcano.net, Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:44:08 -0000 Subject: Phoenix Silver Crown Cars Phoenix, Silver Crown Cars; 100 laps, 100 miles Usta be 50. They announced that Gus Hoffman, long time car owner from Indiana passed away last week at 90. He always ran the #69 cars which Rich Vogler, Steve Butler and many other greats drove. God rest him. The 69 was racin today -apparently fielded now by his son. Hope it keeps on running for many years to come -in Gus honor. ....and we got Green! They just gave us about a lap and a half ridin on top the roll bar in that camera. Thankfully they dint do much talkin while that 358 was singin -a beautiful song. I thought the thing sounded rich, and wasnt at all smooth on the transition on and off the gas. -But still, a SWEET sound! Gawd what I wouldnt do to drive one of these cars. To me, they are THE quintessential RACE CAR in its purest form. Oh oh! big wreck turn 2: Jim Childers. Hes ok restart. Another wreck two or three laps later! Hit in the wall HARD: Brad Noffsinger & Billy Puterbaugh jr.... Noffsinger ain t movin then, he appears to be moving around is the first report..... Hes got a broken left wrist. Restart. These guys are as close together as the NASCAR cabs. HOT race. Yeley is up to second (lap 31 or 32 ?) evverbody a car length apart. whoa daddy. Oh oh a spin: Brian Paulus from PA. Restart. Boy, these guys are sure racin close. Gary Heber backs the BUCKS COUNTY car into the wall- but sofffftly. Hell prolly get to restart. These thing carry a LOT of fuel for a 100 which weighs a lot at first, then it continually makes the car weigh less and less. A large change percentage wise cxause the whole enchelada dont weigh an awful lot to begin with. Restart. 10 laps to go and its annybodys race ! Tracy Hines and Paul White bump wheels in the 4th corner White got sideways. Hines hitem from the lower left corner. Hey they was RACIN! restart: Paul White leading a Texas boy- dont know much about him. White wins: with a .3206 second margin of victory over Dave Steele. Nice close race. Dam nice. -Saw these guys run in person last year at Nazareth -Met my hero Jack Hewett there, and made my day. Only time Ive had the chance to seeem live. Gonna happen again someday too,-only next time ON DIRT -where they belong. Mebbe Ill get to go seeem at Terre Haute -or Knoxville? Next race on ESPN 2 will be: May 12 the Coca Cola 100 from IRP -be there or be square! This has been a totally dis-jointed race report from DIRTY DOUG news service _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 24 19:12:13 2001 From: "tim cunha" To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:11:56 -0800 Subject: bellhousings is it ok to run a 2 piece lakewood scattershield? i found one cheap and i am not sure about the rule on this. anyone have a one piece for sale or loan? is there any machinist out there that would drill my early ford front hubs and drums for a chevy pattern? and put in some longer studs? Dutchman said they will redrill my rear axles for a 4 3/4 pattern. or is there anyone who wants to trade some 18x5.5 3" offset TAYLOR wheels in Chevy 4 3/4 for some same size in early ford 5x5.5? i also need to trade the fronts for early ford if someone wants too. they are 15 x 4 or 5 in chevy pattern. these are not Taylors. anyone with some 15x4 taylors with ford 5.5 pattern? also need some fire nozzles the ends of the fire lines. they are missing on my package i picked up. i think it is a FLAME OUT system. doin the 6 week push to get ready. anyone want a pict i will send one. i cant get the resolution low enough to get it on the landspeed picture post. Is there anyone with a used fire suit. i am 5'11 200 lbs. PURPLE would be fine! and any other fire requirements. i am running out of time and money these days! thanks for the help. _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 05:09:59 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 06:06:27 -0600 Subject: Hanging out/ What's up? Well Brad Dropped by yesterday and we finished up the little things to get the car ready for next weekend.... Didn't take to long... Adjusted the Valves and played with the Wiring changes for the cut off switch... So it's done... Fired it up and put some heat in it a couple of times.... Went through all our Nitrous Checks... everything works as advertized... simple stuff but the little stuff that it takes to run the car.... Just a nice day hanging out.... We didn't get the Mule motor done so it's still got the Cast Iron D motor in it.... and the 4 speed.... hoping to have the Mule Motor ready for the next meet.... and we will convert it to the six speed when we put it in...should be a fun ride.... That's what's cooking in Southern Alabama.... what's happening in your part of the world? Keith ( yeah the motor sounds great.... good to hear and smell it again ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 05:53:04 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 07:52:33 EST Subject: hilborn injection Has anybody ever used the dial-a-jet setup that Speedway sells. It looks like you can change the main bypass jets from inside the car while you are moving. This looks like you could start with one jet then dial in another further down the track. Don't know anything about injection, trying to learn. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 06:46:10 2001 From: "Mike Jenkins" To: "LSR List" Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:45:57 +0100 Subject: Volvo Amazon List, Anybody know when the first person dropped a smallblock Chevy into a Volvo Amazon? Was it before 1971? Thanks, Mike Jenkins /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 08:33:27 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: MikeJ@speedrecordclub.softnet.co.uk, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:32:50 EST Subject: Re: Volvo Amazon Mike, I don't know what the Amazon model looks like. The P1800 got a 289 Ford in a Hot Rod magazine how-to dack in the 1970's I think. Ford is better, and owns Volvo now. Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 09:41:01 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:36:17 -0600 Subject: Pop's Motorsports Y'all see Doug Odom's car on the cover of Bonneville racing news... ... and a Two part article ... Very Cool K /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 09:55:44 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: , Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:02:18 -0600 Subject: Re: hilborn injection Larry Mac, I think a lot of folks use the Dial-a-Jet in all types of racing. I believe Tom Bryant has one in the Tom Thumb car. Jerry in Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 6:52 AM Subject: hilborn injection > Has anybody ever used the dial-a-jet setup that Speedway sells. It looks like > you can change the main bypass jets from inside the car while you are moving. > This looks like you could start with one jet then dial in another further > down the track. > Don't know anything about injection, trying to learn. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 11:15:56 2001 From: RAWAWA@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:15:20 EST Subject: Ants-inna -da-pants Wish i felt totally at ease with my car,i'd be there ( Maxton ) Friday. Instead,we'll do some testing/tuning at a drag strip in NJ Friday. Better to break an hour away than 10 hrs and 600 plus miles. Speaking of pants,i hope i fit into same after a long hard (soft) winter. The most exercize i got was moving this mouse ,like a lot of you mouse potatoes out there.........Good luck to those who do make it next weekend.....Bob Wanner,greasing his hips.............(easy keith) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 12:58:22 2001 From: "Mike Jenkins" To: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:58:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Volvo Amazon Bob, The Amazon was the 122S Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 16:34:18 2001 From: "Doug Anderson" To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:33:51 -0000 Subject: Winders 98 Southern Edition Dear Consumers: It has come to our attention that a few copies of the WINDOWS 98 SOUTHERN EDITION may have accidentally been shipped outside the South. If you have one of these, you may need some help understanding the commands. The Southern edition may be recognized by the unique opening screen.It reads: WINDERS 98, with a background picture of General Robert E. Lee superimposed on a Confederate flag. It is shipped with a Dukes of Hazzard screen saver. Please also note: The Recycle Bin is labeled "Outhouse" My Computer is called "This Dern Contraption" Dial up Networking is called "Good Ol' Boys" Control Panel is known as the "The Dashboard" Hard Drive is referred to as "4 Wheel Drive" Floppies are "them little ol plastic disc thangs" Instead of an error message a "garbage bag and roll of duct tape" pops up CHANGES IN TERMINOLOGY, SOUTHERN EDITION: > > OK . . . . . . . ats aw-right > Cancel . . . . . stopdat > >Reset . . . . . try er agin > Yes . . . . . . yep > No . . . . . >. . noop > Find . . . . . . hunt fer it > Go to. . . . . . over >yonder > Back . . . . . . back yonder > Help . . . . . . hep me out >here > Stop . . . . . . kwitit > Start . . . . . crank er up > >Settings . . . . settins > Programs . . ... stuff at duz stuff > >Documents . . .. stuff ah done did > > Also note that SOUTHERN EDITION does not recognize capital letters or punctuation marks. Some programs that are exclusive to Winders 98: > > Tipe riter . . . . . .. A word processing program > colerin book >. . . . . a graphics program > cyferin masheeeen . ....calculator > >outhouse paper . . ....notepad > innnner-net . . . . . . . Microsoft >Explorer 4.0 > pichers . . . . . . . .A graphics viewer We regret any inconvenience it may have caused if you received a copy of the SOUTHERN EDITION. You may return it to Microsoft for a replacement version. I hope this helps all y'all! Billy Bob Gates _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 17:28:15 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:30:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? Keith,List, Out here in Southeast Arizona it is warm and too dry. Not working on the car today. Watched the Nascar boys tear em up at Bristol and then mowed the yard. We start the serious thrash at the local 3/8 mile Nascar track next week with our real season opener where we run all five divisions. It's the only night of the year when we do that. I think I have all the positions covered with the 16 officials I have hired and hopefully trained. As it turns out, the toughest part of this job is not the harangue from the racers for the on track calls I have to make, but keeping reliable, dependable officials who are not on a power trip as soon as they put the officials uniform on. Most of my friends thought I was either too old or too smart to take the job but you all know how that goes. Some of us are not smart enough to walk away from a challenge. We always think we can make a difference. Will start back tomorrow morning and finish the nitrous bottle mounts and then build a mount for the aux. fuel tank, pump, regulator, etc. The engine guy likes to run the motor on alcohol and use gasoline as the supplement with nitrous so that requires a totally separate system. One of these days I'm going to run out of room in that car. It's 8 lbs. in a 5 lb. sack now. Now that you are all asleep, I'll sign off. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 5:06 AM Subject: Hanging out/ What's up? > Well Brad Dropped by yesterday and we finished up the little things to get > the car ready for next weekend.... Didn't take to long... Adjusted the > Valves and played with the Wiring changes for the cut off switch... So it's > done... Fired it up and put some heat in it a couple of times.... Went > through all our Nitrous Checks... everything works as advertized... simple > stuff but the little stuff that it takes to run the car.... Just a nice day > hanging out.... > > We didn't get the Mule motor done so it's still got the Cast Iron D motor in > it.... and the 4 speed.... hoping to have the Mule Motor ready for the next > meet.... and we will convert it to the six speed when we put it in...should > be a fun ride.... > > That's what's cooking in Southern Alabama.... what's happening in your part > of the world? > > Keith ( yeah the motor sounds great.... good to hear and smell it again ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 17:31:35 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: , Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:33:33 -0700 Subject: Re: hilborn injection Larry Mac, My son who just started at Bonneville this year also runs 410 sprint cars when he can and he has dial-a-jets on both Gaerte motors. As I understand it, he likes them. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 5:52 AM Subject: hilborn injection > Has anybody ever used the dial-a-jet setup that Speedway sells. It looks like > you can change the main bypass jets from inside the car while you are moving. > This looks like you could start with one jet then dial in another further > down the track. > Don't know anything about injection, trying to learn. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 17:45:12 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: LGMCAFEE@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:44:09 -0800 Subject: Re: hilborn injection Larry, I have a dial-a-jet I got from Kinsler. I wouldn't be without it, especially at Bonneville. It is so simple to install and very useful. If the exhaust temp gets too high, you can just dial in more fuel. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC LGMCAFEE@aol.com wrote: > > Has anybody ever used the dial-a-jet setup that Speedway sells. It looks like > you can change the main bypass jets from inside the car while you are moving. > This looks like you could start with one jet then dial in another further > down the track. > Don't know anything about injection, trying to learn. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 17:49:38 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "LSR Group" Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:56:15 -0600 Subject: Hanging out/What's up Sunny and warm in Dallas today. Got to open garage doors and get some stuff done. Putting X member in the roadster. Trying to utilize triangles with gussets everywhere. I did so much cutting, fitting, grinding and welding that I had that old "blacksmith shop" aroma in the garage. That makes my day! Jerry F /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 18:10:12 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:09:39 EST Subject: dial-a-jet Thanks for the feedback on the dial-a-jet it looks like something that makes sense to me. Thanks again. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 19:53:59 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Chuck Rothfuss" Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:53:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Fire bottle certification Just got back from 3 days in Nevada so this may have been answered...........I ran into the same thing once (just once, apparently a CYA move) and my answer to him was that "the standards only apply to commercial use & my use is private" He got the supervisor & the boss said I was right so they weighed & certified the bottles. Ed Chuck Rothfuss wrote: > List, > > First let me say that I really appreciated all the folks that helped me > out with the fire suit dry cleaning issue. Thank you for the sound advice. > > This years newest setback for me seems to be fire system recertification. > Last year I'd had my bottles inspected and weighed without any problems. I > was told that one was approaching 20 years of age and would require > hydrostatic testing in 2002. ...Well, this year I called a new (and > apparently better informed) company who came to my work place to inspect the > bottles. After numerous phone calls and checking of regulations I was > informed that they couldn't inspect my bottles since I could provide no > "standards" for the operation of the system in my application. > > "Standards"??? I just want it to put out a fire. I thought that was the > whole reason for fire systems. Every piece of racing hardware I've ever > seen contains the standard disclaimer that starts out with "Auto racing is > inherently dangerous...." So where do I go from here? > > I did learn something in all this. Fire bottles used in fixed system > (computer room, boats, etc.) have no requirement for hydrostatic testing, > regardless of age. (others require hydrostatic testing every 12 years) I > also learned that while I could have my 1301 halon recovered and reused > after this testing, the same could not be said for my old smaller 1211/1301 > (mix?) agent bottle. > > Since everyone has to deal with this annually, has anyone else run into > this sort of problem? Since it's doubtful that I'll find "standards" for > use of halon in a land-speed application how the devil am I gonna get these > bottles properly inspected and certified as the rulebook requires? > > Help! > > Chuck Rothfuss > ECTA > Pole Cat Hollow, NC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 19:56:42 2001 From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:48:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? Well Saturday turned out to be a rather great day. The family and I went to visit a friend of mine (yeah I have a few of those) up in Mooresville, NC. He works at new Wind Tunnel facility in the heart of Nascar country. They have just finished construction and were holding an open house for friends and contractors. I had been there several times during construction, but had never seen the tunnel operate. They had a 40% size Monte Carlo Winston Cup car setup for running. The tunnel is an open plenum (no walls in the real world) rolling bed capable of 200mph speeds. For demonstration they ran it up to about 100 mph for the guest and we were allowed to actually watch a test cycle being performed based on pitch and yaw of the car. We then were able to step out of the control room into the plenum area with the wind blowing. Can you say hurricane force winds. After they shut down the tunnel we were given a tour of the actual fan and tunnel area itself. I decided earlier in the day to stop and pick up my 2 grandson's who are 7 and 9. I figured this would give them the opertunity to see something that most people are never able too. The greatest enjoyment of the day was not seeing the tunnel, but to see the boys really interested in what was happening and asking questions with meaning. I also found out I have lots to learn about aerodynamics, but now have a good resource for information. Now if I just had $30,000 for a half size model of the Firebird and $10,000/day. I could go testing in the wind tunnel. Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 22:12:34 2001 From: webmaster@landracing.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:12:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: New on the album: Spy Photo ECTA Secret Weapon Please visit the album on http://www.landracing.com to see the new addition: Spy Photo ECTA Secret Weapon. Thank you. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sun Mar 25 23:04:52 2001 From: "Jonathan Amo" To: "land-speed@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:04:31 -0700 Subject: Pictures and Stories List, I am trying to secure some contacts for pictures and brief articles about the upcoming events I can not make at Maxton and El Mirage to post on landracing.com Im looking for photo's that can be emailed to me after the events occur. And a brief write up on what took place at these events. If anybody is interested please email me off the list. Jonathan Amo http://www.landracing.com /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 06:30:47 2001 From: ardunbill@webtv.net To: benettw@earthlink.net (Bill & Dee Bennett), land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:30:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? Bill, that's very interesting, and I especially liked the part about your grandsons. If people want to learn, and we can help them, it's wonderful. Just ran across a quote from Thomas Edison I'd not seen before. "We don't know one millionth of 1% about anything." All too true, but, we want to learn. Cheers Bill /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 07:24:18 2001 From: webmaster@landracing.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:23:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: New on the album: John\'s Lakester Please visit the album on http://www.landracing.com to see the new addition: John\'s Lakester. Thank you. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 08:41:45 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Bill & Dee Bennett" , Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:40:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Interesting Products Bill Checked it out and got their catalog in two days, lots of neat stuff. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Dee Bennett" To: "Land Speed List" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 11:25 AM Subject: Interesting Products > I was cruising through a site and found some interesting items. > http://www.longacreracing.com/catalog/item.asp?id=596&catid=21 > First was what they call a "Pipemaster" I personally don't like the name > should have been something like tube master. What it is, is an OD contour > gage that you can slide over your roll cage tubing before you notch it. Put > you tubing in place slide the device up to the adjoining tubing and it > conforms to the joint. remove your tubing and you have an accurate picture > of the notch you need to cut. > > Second they have an assorment of cleaners, polsihers and scratch removers > for lexan. I know some people complained about visiblity at Muros due to > staic clinging the dirt to the windsheild. > > Third they have a drink holder so Keith can mount a Diet Coke to the roll > cage. Sorry didn't see anything to mount a pack of smokes though. Thought > they would have being they are Winstons. > > Bill > > Why yeah I am trying to catch up with Dick and Keith in message quanity not > quality. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 09:01:52 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: Land Speed Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:00:50 -0800 Subject: Magnum Engineering Just a follow-up on this discussion. I found a picture of the Alamo Tuneup car, which displays Lubbock Texas as its city of origin. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 15:41:47 2001 From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "Thomas E. Bryant" , Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:10:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Magnum Engineering That car was owned by Pat Nixon, who was employed by Texas Tech University and had the Tune up place as a side business. I have not heard from him for several years. I thought he still had the Fairlane with a 427 medium rise. His goal was to go 200 MPH in that old dinosaur. He almost made it, at 198 and change. Some time ago he moved to east texas and was working for the outfit that does air conditioning kits for street rods. Hope this helps.....Ha, and Glenys thinks my memory is going.... Rick /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 17:47:29 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:43:36 -0600 Subject: Paul Vanderley Just wanted to say Hey from Paul and Kay to all thier old friends.... HEY GLEN... I think I found someone who has raced on the salt longer then YOU..... Think about it.... it's gotta be some kinda record..... Paul has downsized his shop and his life.... gone from 13 folks to 3 and moved into a place at his home in nowhere Mississippi.... ( and I thought I lived in the middle of Nowhere Shoot ) He had lots of neat stuff hanging around.... Several Boat Pontiac 4 bangers... and Hi Po Chevrolet junk..... we chatted just a bit about the New Roadster he is building and a couple of other things.... neat folks...and I enjoyed the visit.... Left him my old Scrape aluminum pile to see if he could make a Motor out of what we had screwed up... Be interesting.... I just liked the way he goes about Business.... Straight forward ... Very Clean.... and lots of basic innovation in how his tools are installed.... nice little dyno room well instrumented.... but not NEW.... Said it was going to be a couple of weeks before he could touch my motor but once it was opened it would be the only thing on his table.... also said he would treat it like his own.... Because he put both Himself and Jack Mendenhall in the Two Club in his roadster....with an identical motor I trust him..... Felt really good leaving there.... hopefully this will be the RIGHT answer... Keith ( Last word to Paul.... was assume EVERYTHING IS WRONG ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 18:03:08 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Keith Turk" , Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:01:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Paul Vanderley Hey Keith I don't claim to be the oldest on the salt but close to it I think. Paul is a super guy as is Jack Mendenhall. Each year we go to Jacks for the Gas Up and really enjoy it. It's one of the best gatherings of the year.Great museum at Jacks. Any way I had to fax you the cartoon on the scan, I needed something to get a reaction. Hey bud, you and Kathy have a good one and catch you tomorrow on the chat line. Glen(soaking up the sun) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Paul Vanderley > Just wanted to say Hey from Paul and Kay to all thier old friends.... HEY > GLEN... I think I found someone who has raced on the salt longer then > YOU..... Think about it.... it's gotta be some kinda record..... > > Paul has downsized his shop and his life.... gone from 13 folks to 3 and > moved into a place at his home in nowhere Mississippi.... ( and I thought I > lived in the middle of Nowhere Shoot ) > > He had lots of neat stuff hanging around.... Several Boat Pontiac 4 > bangers... and Hi Po Chevrolet junk..... we chatted just a bit about the New > Roadster he is building and a couple of other things.... neat folks...and I > enjoyed the visit.... > > Left him my old Scrape aluminum pile to see if he could make a Motor out of > what we had screwed up... Be interesting.... I just liked the way he goes > about Business.... Straight forward ... Very Clean.... and lots of basic > innovation in how his tools are installed.... nice little dyno room well > instrumented.... but not NEW.... Said it was going to be a couple of weeks > before he could touch my motor but once it was opened it would be the only > thing on his table.... also said he would treat it like his own.... Because > he put both Himself and Jack Mendenhall in the Two Club in his > roadster....with an identical motor I trust him..... Felt really good > leaving there.... hopefully this will be the RIGHT answer... > > Keith ( Last word to Paul.... was assume EVERYTHING IS WRONG ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 20:09:26 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "glen barrett" Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:09:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Paul Vanderley Museum? Hell, that place is a monument to roadside larceny! Ed glen barrett wrote: > Hey Keith > I don't claim to be the oldest on the salt but close to it I think. Paul is > a super guy as is Jack Mendenhall. Each year we go to Jacks for the Gas Up > and really enjoy it. It's one of the best gatherings of the year.Great > museum at Jacks. Any way I had to fax you the cartoon on the scan, I needed > something to get a reaction. Hey bud, you and Kathy have a good one and > catch you tomorrow on the chat line. > Glen(soaking up the sun) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Turk" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 4:43 PM > Subject: Paul Vanderley > > > Just wanted to say Hey from Paul and Kay to all thier old friends.... HEY > > GLEN... I think I found someone who has raced on the salt longer then > > YOU..... Think about it.... it's gotta be some kinda record..... > > > > Paul has downsized his shop and his life.... gone from 13 folks to 3 and > > moved into a place at his home in nowhere Mississippi.... ( and I thought > I > > lived in the middle of Nowhere Shoot ) > > > > He had lots of neat stuff hanging around.... Several Boat Pontiac 4 > > bangers... and Hi Po Chevrolet junk..... we chatted just a bit about the > New > > Roadster he is building and a couple of other things.... neat folks...and > I > > enjoyed the visit.... > > > > Left him my old Scrape aluminum pile to see if he could make a Motor out > of > > what we had screwed up... Be interesting.... I just liked the way he goes > > about Business.... Straight forward ... Very Clean.... and lots of basic > > innovation in how his tools are installed.... nice little dyno room well > > instrumented.... but not NEW.... Said it was going to be a couple of > weeks > > before he could touch my motor but once it was opened it would be the only > > thing on his table.... also said he would treat it like his own.... > Because > > he put both Himself and Jack Mendenhall in the Two Club in his > > roadster....with an identical motor I trust him..... Felt really good > > leaving there.... hopefully this will be the RIGHT answer... > > > > Keith ( Last word to Paul.... was assume EVERYTHING IS WRONG ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 20:40:11 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Ed Van Scoy" Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:38:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Paul Vanderley Pretty smart dude, he has it,we don't. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "glen barrett" Cc: "Keith Turk" ; Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Paul Vanderley > Museum? Hell, that place is a monument to roadside larceny! > Ed > > glen barrett wrote: > > > Hey Keith > > I don't claim to be the oldest on the salt but close to it I think. Paul is > > a super guy as is Jack Mendenhall. Each year we go to Jacks for the Gas Up > > and really enjoy it. It's one of the best gatherings of the year.Great > > museum at Jacks. Any way I had to fax you the cartoon on the scan, I needed > > something to get a reaction. Hey bud, you and Kathy have a good one and > > catch you tomorrow on the chat line. > > Glen(soaking up the sun) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Keith Turk" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 4:43 PM > > Subject: Paul Vanderley > > > > > Just wanted to say Hey from Paul and Kay to all thier old friends.... HEY > > > GLEN... I think I found someone who has raced on the salt longer then > > > YOU..... Think about it.... it's gotta be some kinda record..... > > > > > > Paul has downsized his shop and his life.... gone from 13 folks to 3 and > > > moved into a place at his home in nowhere Mississippi.... ( and I thought > > I > > > lived in the middle of Nowhere Shoot ) > > > > > > He had lots of neat stuff hanging around.... Several Boat Pontiac 4 > > > bangers... and Hi Po Chevrolet junk..... we chatted just a bit about the > > New > > > Roadster he is building and a couple of other things.... neat folks...and > > I > > > enjoyed the visit.... > > > > > > Left him my old Scrape aluminum pile to see if he could make a Motor out > > of > > > what we had screwed up... Be interesting.... I just liked the way he goes > > > about Business.... Straight forward ... Very Clean.... and lots of basic > > > innovation in how his tools are installed.... nice little dyno room well > > > instrumented.... but not NEW.... Said it was going to be a couple of > > weeks > > > before he could touch my motor but once it was opened it would be the only > > > thing on his table.... also said he would treat it like his own.... > > Because > > > he put both Himself and Jack Mendenhall in the Two Club in his > > > roadster....with an identical motor I trust him..... Felt really good > > > leaving there.... hopefully this will be the RIGHT answer... > > > > > > Keith ( Last word to Paul.... was assume EVERYTHING IS WRONG ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 21:05:16 2001 From: "Phillip Landry" To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 04:05:02 Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? Hi Everyone, I was waiting to post pictures of the great looking pieces Gary made for the car lately, but today's theres been a set back. I started the motor after changing the oil pump back in january and didn't really make much of an attempt to prime the engine first.... After the motor would no longer chank, I pulled it apart and found at least one spun rod bearing and a kinda blue rod. The mains don't look too good either. This is pretty depressing, before I had too much oil pressure and this time obviously not enough. I hadn't figured out a way to mount an oil pressure gauge in line to the oil filter on our merc flathead yet, and this is all my fault. Phil _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 21:25:34 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: saltracer@hotmail.com, kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:24:01 EST Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? Well today Monday March 26 was a big day for me. If you don't know it already I'm trying to collect enough parts to build/restore a 1937 Harley 45 just like the one my Dad bought new. Neat looking bike, first year for the reciprocating oiling system(dry sump) and a bunch of one year only fearures (like the frame). Today three large boxes arrived, this deal was six months in the making, and today I can say I have a 1937 Harley! Someone said I was crazy to start to collect the bike one piece at a time, but I don't think so. If I had the money to buy a complete bike I'd replace a lot of it anyway, and only get to meet the former owner. So far I've meet half the old Herley people in America, and a few other countries. This has nothing to do with LSR I know but thought someone might enjoy the story. Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 21:28:26 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:27:46 EST Subject: Fwd: Flathead Oiling 1-A Return-path: From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com Full-name: ARDUN DOUG Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:26:55 EST Subject: Re: Flathead Oiling 1-A To: saltracer@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 128 In a message dated 03/26/2001 8:05:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, saltracer@hotmail.com writes: << Hi Everyone, I was waiting to post pictures of the great looking pieces Gary made for the car lately, but today's theres been a set back. I started the motor after changing the oil pump back in january and didn't really make much of an attempt to prime the engine first.... After the motor would no longer chank, I pulled it apart and found at least one spun rod bearing and a kinda blue rod. The mains don't look too good either. This is pretty depressing, before I had too much oil pressure and this time obviously not enough. I hadn't figured out a way to mount an oil pressure gauge in line to the oil filter on our merc flathead yet, and this is all my fault. Phil >> Phil, Did the engine actually fire-up and run? I have trouble believing that the engine could do much damage to itself just turning via the starter. What kind of filter are you running? Have you modified the oiling system to filter everything except the rear main and #4 & #8 rods? The original Ford bypass-type oil filter has no place on a performance Flatty or one that has the oil system modified to full-flow any of it. The only priming I ever did when using the original-type Flatty oil pump was to spin the engine with the plugs removed until the oil pressure showed on the gauge. Regards mounting the oil pressure sense line, I'd recommend tapping into the line from the oil filter outlet to the engine. That pretty much tells you what oil pressure the engine is seeing, not just what the oil pump is producing. How about giving me some more details on the oiling system. It sorta sounds like the pressure wasn't getting to the bearings. Hang in there, we'll get it figured out.............Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 21:38:12 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: , , , Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:36:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? Bob Sounds like a good way to pass time and clear ones head of other things that tent to clutter it. How about some pictures of progress during the restoration. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? > Well today Monday March 26 was a big day for me. If you don't know it already > I'm trying to collect enough parts to build/restore a 1937 Harley 45 just > like the one my Dad bought new. Neat looking bike, first year for the > reciprocating oiling system(dry sump) and a bunch of one year only fearures > (like the frame). Today three large boxes arrived, this deal was six months > in the making, and today I can say I have a 1937 Harley! Someone said I was > crazy to start to collect the bike one piece at a time, but I don't think so. > If I had the money to buy a complete bike I'd replace a lot of it anyway, and > only get to meet the former owner. So far I've meet half the old Herley > people in America, and a few other countries. This has nothing to do with LSR > I know but thought someone might enjoy the story. Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 22:00:09 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: speedtimer@charter.net, Want1937hd@aol.com, saltracer@hotmail.com, Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:59:02 EST Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? << Bob Sounds like a good way to pass time and clear ones head of other things that tent to clutter it. How about some pictures of progress during the restoration. Glen >> Glen, One of the first things I want to do is bolt everything I have together. I have three photos od Dads Harley taken in front of the house he grew up in, the chain link fence is still there, and the houses haven't changed much. I want to take a "before" photo in the exact spot. With some luck I'll be back in two years to shoot the "after" photo. There are a lot of LSR related photos I'd like to post, but I'm having problems with the system, hope to find the fix soon. Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 22:00:45 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:00:26 EST Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? Bob, Very enjoyable story. I can appreciate what you're feeling. My 1915 Twindian Racer (2-61ci PowerPlus engines mounted side-by-side) gives me the same feelings. Ardun Doug /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Mon Mar 26 22:13:17 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:12:40 EST Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? In a message dated 3/27/01 12:03:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com writes: << Bob, Very enjoyable story. I can appreciate what you're feeling. My 1915 Twindian Racer (2-61ci PowerPlus engines mounted side-by-side) gives me the same feelings. Ardun Doug >> Doug, Thanks for sending me the photo of that bike a few months ago. Just seeing the photo gives you a chill, to own it and hear it run must be very special. Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 01:25:08 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:20:45 -0600 Subject: Porting Table One of the neat pieces I saw at Paul Vanderley's place was a Cool down draft head porting table.... Picture and open grate with a squirel cage fan below it basically the whole deal flows air and sucks the metal shaving's away...Looked like it could be used as a Welding and grinding table as well I didn't have my Digital camera with me or I would have gotten a Picture.... but I think I can describe it..... the Grate was about 1 1/2' X 3 feet and below it was a squarish Funnel down to the squirel fan mounted about 2' below it.... The whole set up was on a bench top and was flush so you could cover it with say cardboard and never know it was there. Most likely a standard sorta piece and I had just never seen one.... neat deal.... Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 08:01:39 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:03:16 -0600 Subject: Trouble...( no LSR ) Okay folks.... what kinda trouble can we get into today?... Someone want to figure out how to stick the Six speed in the car in ONE day? Just a thought... You know we talked about the fire bottles at length but never mentioned cleaning out the lines..... Hmmm just a thought.... K /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 08:15:36 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:17:47 -0600 Subject: Car Stickers wanted to take a second and say thanks to John Backus for the Vinyl lettering and Art work... neat stuff.... don't know if you folks know it but John has a Neat business that does all kinds of Lettering on Wood and different things.... Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 08:24:26 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: Want1937hd@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:23:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? Bob, I had a Harley "45" back in the fifties. I'm not sure of the year model, maybe a 1941, I would not know the difference, one year to another, and my memory fails me. I will see if I can find a picture and post it. A previous owner had installed a suicide clutch on mine. It was fun to ride. I rode with a couple of friends that had English bikes. Needless to say, the Harley couldn't keep pace with the BSA or Triumph climbing hills, (the Harley's power to weight ratio suffered), but I tried anyway. Another friend that rode with us occasionally had a Harley, I think it was a "80" flat head. It was a old military bike that was produced to be used with a side car. The only bike I have seen with a reverse gear. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC Want1937hd@aol.com wrote: > > Well today Monday March 26 was a big day for me. If you don't know it already > I'm trying to collect enough parts to build/restore a 1937 Harley 45 just > like the one my Dad bought new. Neat looking bike, first year for the > reciprocating oiling system(dry sump) and a bunch of one year only fearures > (like the frame). Today three large boxes arrived, this deal was six months > in the making, and today I can say I have a 1937 Harley! Someone said I was > crazy to start to collect the bike one piece at a time, but I don't think so. > If I had the money to buy a complete bike I'd replace a lot of it anyway, and > only get to meet the former owner. So far I've meet half the old Herley > people in America, and a few other countries. This has nothing to do with LSR > I know but thought someone might enjoy the story. Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 08:42:54 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:42:01 EST Subject: Re: Trouble...( no LSR ) Keith, Just got back from American Dry Stripping, dropped of my 1937 Harley frame. There was a Bugeye shell on a dolly waiting its turn in the booth. I thought of your 130 wheelbase version, and realize how little will be left once you start. Bob /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 08:55:31 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Thomas E. Bryant" Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:55:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? Many of you on the list know J.D. Tone - he had has Dad's old wrecked 1939 Indian Scout under his workbench for about thirty years until a couple of years ago when he restored it to show condition. This bike has won awards every time he has taken it out to a show, and unlike most "show queens" it starts on the first kick. J.D. seems to have a knack of making "old things" run................ Ed "Thomas E. Bryant" wrote: > Bob, > I had a Harley "45" back in the fifties. I'm not sure of the year model, > maybe a 1941, I would not know the difference, one year to another, and > my memory fails me. I will see if I can find a picture and post it. A > previous owner had installed a suicide clutch on mine. It was fun to > ride. I rode with a couple of friends that had English bikes. Needless > to say, the Harley couldn't keep pace with the BSA or Triumph climbing > hills, (the Harley's power to weight ratio suffered), but I tried > anyway. Another friend that rode with us occasionally had a Harley, I > think it was a "80" flat head. It was a old military bike that was > produced to be used with a side car. The only bike I have seen with a > reverse gear. > > Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC > > Want1937hd@aol.com wrote: > > > > Well today Monday March 26 was a big day for me. If you don't know it already > > I'm trying to collect enough parts to build/restore a 1937 Harley 45 just > > like the one my Dad bought new. Neat looking bike, first year for the > > reciprocating oiling system(dry sump) and a bunch of one year only fearures > > (like the frame). Today three large boxes arrived, this deal was six months > > in the making, and today I can say I have a 1937 Harley! Someone said I was > > crazy to start to collect the bike one piece at a time, but I don't think so. > > If I had the money to buy a complete bike I'd replace a lot of it anyway, and > > only get to meet the former owner. So far I've meet half the old Herley > > people in America, and a few other countries. This has nothing to do with LSR > > I know but thought someone might enjoy the story. Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 08:58:45 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Thomas E. Bryant" , Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:57:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? At the first Muroc meet Keenan Tatro road a 1941 Harley Davidson. It was in stock condition. As most know 1941 was the last year we were able to run at Muroc due to the WWll efforts. Kind of a neat tribute to see the old bike run. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? > Bob, > I had a Harley "45" back in the fifties. I'm not sure of the year model, > maybe a 1941, I would not know the difference, one year to another, and > my memory fails me. I will see if I can find a picture and post it. A > previous owner had installed a suicide clutch on mine. It was fun to > ride. I rode with a couple of friends that had English bikes. Needless > to say, the Harley couldn't keep pace with the BSA or Triumph climbing > hills, (the Harley's power to weight ratio suffered), but I tried > anyway. Another friend that rode with us occasionally had a Harley, I > think it was a "80" flat head. It was a old military bike that was > produced to be used with a side car. The only bike I have seen with a > reverse gear. > > Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC > > Want1937hd@aol.com wrote: > > > > Well today Monday March 26 was a big day for me. If you don't know it already > > I'm trying to collect enough parts to build/restore a 1937 Harley 45 just > > like the one my Dad bought new. Neat looking bike, first year for the > > reciprocating oiling system(dry sump) and a bunch of one year only fearures > > (like the frame). Today three large boxes arrived, this deal was six months > > in the making, and today I can say I have a 1937 Harley! Someone said I was > > crazy to start to collect the bike one piece at a time, but I don't think so. > > If I had the money to buy a complete bike I'd replace a lot of it anyway, and > > only get to meet the former owner. So far I've meet half the old Herley > > people in America, and a few other countries. This has nothing to do with LSR > > I know but thought someone might enjoy the story. Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 09:13:13 2001 From: Dick J To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:12:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Fire bottle certification Yeah, go to the local fire station and ask them. Most of the time, one or two firemen will run a small fire equipment/extinguisher company on the side, and they usually take the more practical approach. Dick J ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 09:15:05 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Want1937hd@aol.com'" , saltracer@hotmail.com, Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:13:47 -0700 Subject: RE: Hanging out/ What's up? Great news! Neat story & please add photos as you make progress. Keep your beak in the breeze! Dale C. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? Well today Monday March 26 was a big day for me. If you don't know it already I'm trying to collect enough parts to build/restore a 1937 Harley 45 just like the one my Dad bought new. Neat looking bike, first year for the reciprocating oiling system(dry sump) and a bunch of one year only fearures (like the frame). Today three large boxes arrived, this deal was six months in the making, and today I can say I have a 1937 Harley! Someone said I was crazy to start to collect the bike one piece at a time, but I don't think so. If I had the money to buy a complete bike I'd replace a lot of it anyway, and only get to meet the former owner. So far I've meet half the old Herley people in America, and a few other countries. This has nothing to do with LSR I know but thought someone might enjoy the story. Bob in Connecticut ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 09:16:57 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'ARDUNDOUG@aol.com'" , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:15:44 -0700 Subject: RE: Hanging out/ What's up? Doug, Your collection just keeps amazing me! Pictures, PLEASE. You need to get that site up and running. Dale C. :) //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////// Subject: Re: Hanging out/ What's up? Bob, Very enjoyable story. I can appreciate what you're feeling. My 1915 Twindian Racer (2-61ci PowerPlus engines mounted side-by-side) gives me the same feelings. Ardun Doug ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 12:03:44 2001 From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com To: HastingsV@aol.com, bellytk@nh.ultranet.com, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:02:27 EST Subject: TRANNY FOR POSTWAR FLATHEAD - - - - - ----- Original Message ----- From: T P To: roadagents@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: Trans for flathead info Hope you someone can help, In puttin' an 8BA in my '32 (orig. steel, no 'glass stuff). I can't find any really good info on a good trans to go behind this. I would like to have a top loader if possible, but hey, gotta do whatcha gotta do. I've got a new Hal. QC for the rearend, so ratios are not a real problem. Any flathead guys up there with any suggestions. Thanks for anything. Not a lot of flathead folks here in N. Georgia. Tim Payne tim_p1@mindspring.com /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 12:16:54 2001 From: Dick J To: FastmetalBDF@aol.com, HastingsV@aol.com, bellytk@nh.ultranet.com, Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:16:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: TRANNY FOR POSTWAR FLATHEAD - - - - - Check with Doug Annderson at boogiewoogie12@hotmail.com He's in the middle of researching a similar project and has come up with a couple of options. Dick J --- FastmetalBDF@aol.com wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: T P > To: roadagents@yahoo.com > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:10 PM > Subject: Trans for flathead info > > > Hope you someone can help, > In puttin' an 8BA in my '32 (orig. steel, no > 'glass stuff). I can't find any > really good > info on a good trans to go behind this. I would > like to have a top loader if > possible, but hey, gotta do whatcha gotta do. > I've got a new Hal. QC for the > rearend, so ratios are not a real problem. Any > flathead guys up there with > any suggestions. Thanks for anything. Not a lot > of flathead folks here in N. > Georgia. > > Tim Payne > tim_p1@mindspring.com Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 12:34:47 2001 From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com To: lsr_man@yahoo.com, FastmetalBDF@aol.com, HastingsV@aol.com, Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:33:25 EST Subject: Re: TRANNY FOR POSTWAR FLATHEAD - - - - - Hi Dick and all, Please send this info to Tim Payne : tim_p1@mindspring.com ...... He is the one seeking tranny info for his roadster ...... not me ...... I would advise him to run a C4 behind his flatmotor for fun cruising on the street ...... or adapting a 4 speed manual if he was inclined to get on it once in awhile ! Bruce in Connecticut ( other end from Bob : want1937hd@aol.com ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 13:05:42 2001 From: Dick J To: Want1937hd@aol.com, kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:53:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bug Eye Speaking of your bugeye, when are you going to run it at Maxton in it's stock configuration? Dick J --- Want1937hd@aol.com wrote: > Keith, Just got back from American Dry > Stripping, dropped of my 1937 Harley > frame. There was a Bugeye shell on a dolly > waiting its turn in the booth. I > thought of your 130 wheelbase version, and > realize how little will be left > once you start. Bob ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 13:10:37 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Dick J" , , Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:09:05 -0600 Subject: Re: Bug Eye I am trying to focus on the Bonneville effort.... I think I am going to run it the fourth meet just before Bonneville... if not then the first after it..... it's basically a car again.... just needs a roll bar and a BUNCH of little stuff.. wanted to work on the So Al Special to get it ready First..... Priority's and such being what they are... K ---------- > From: Dick J > To: Want1937hd@aol.com; kturk@ala.net; land-speed@autox.team.net > Subject: Bug Eye > Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:53 PM > > Speaking of your bugeye, when are you going to > run it at Maxton in it's stock configuration? > > Dick J > > --- Want1937hd@aol.com wrote: > > Keith, Just got back from American Dry > > Stripping, dropped of my 1937 Harley > > frame. There was a Bugeye shell on a dolly > > waiting its turn in the booth. I > > thought of your 130 wheelbase version, and > > realize how little will be left > > once you start. Bob > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 15:21:41 2001 From: Dick J To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:21:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fuel FIlters Okay everybody, wake up! This is a survey. Who does and who doesn't use a fuel filter? It always seemed to me that using a fuel filter was just "normal", but intstalling my new fuel system, it occurrs to me that I am putting a brand new fuel cell inside the right front fender. I have one foot of new line to the new fuel pump, then another foot of new line to the new carburetor. What is it I'm filtering out? I plan on keeping this thing just as clean as a pitcher of beer. Seems like the fuel filter is un-necessary and only adds restriction to the fuel delivery system. Comments? ? ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 15:35:11 2001 From: George Mitchell To: Dick J , FastmetalBDF@aol.com, HastingsV@aol.com, Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:35:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: TRANNY FOR POSTWAR FLATHEAD - - - - - I am not a flat head guy but I just got the latest issue of street rodder and it had the article on the French Flathead stuff that you all were talking about a while back and it included a little blip about an adapter that put a late model od manual transmissions behind flatheads. I dont know whether you want to do this late model swap on such a traditional ride but the late model 5.0 mustang trannies are all over the wrecking yards . Just a thought George in a very cold DC --- Dick J wrote: > Check with Doug Annderson at > boogiewoogie12@hotmail.com > He's in the middle of researching a similar > project and has come up with a couple of options. > > Dick J > > > --- FastmetalBDF@aol.com wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: T P > > To: roadagents@yahoo.com > > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:10 PM > > Subject: Trans for flathead info > > > > > > Hope you someone can help, > > In puttin' an 8BA in my '32 (orig. steel, no > > 'glass stuff). I can't find any > > really good > > info on a good trans to go behind this. I would > > like to have a top loader if > > possible, but hey, gotta do whatcha gotta do. > > I've got a new Hal. QC for the > > rearend, so ratios are not a real problem. Any > > flathead guys up there with > > any suggestions. Thanks for anything. Not a lot > > of flathead folks here in N. > > Georgia. > > > > Tim Payne > > tim_p1@mindspring.com > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 15:37:18 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Dick J'" , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:36:12 -0700 Subject: RE: Fuel FIlters Dick, Are you planning on filtering all the fuel going into the cell? Dale C. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Subject: Fuel FIlters Okay everybody, wake up! This is a survey. Who does and who doesn't use a fuel filter? It always seemed to me that using a fuel filter was just "normal", but intstalling my new fuel system, it occurrs to me that I am putting a brand new fuel cell inside the right front fender. I have one foot of new line to the new fuel pump, then another foot of new line to the new carburetor. What is it I'm filtering out? I plan on keeping this thing just as clean as a pitcher of beer. Seems like the fuel filter is un-necessary and only adds restriction to the fuel delivery system. Comments? ? ===== Dick J ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 15:47:21 2001 From: Dick J To: "Clay, Dale" , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:46:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Fuel FIlters I figured that would be a good idea. I know everything will be clean when I finish it - just keep it that way. --- "Clay, Dale" wrote: > Dick, > > Are you planning on filtering all the fuel > going into the cell? > > Dale C. ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 16:31:11 2001 From: Chuck Rothfuss To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:18:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Fuel FIlters Dick, Filters are cheap insurance. I run one big one before the fuel pump and another smaller one right ahead of the carb. If the pump and filters are up to snuff the whole system oughto be trouble free. Changing/cleaning a couple filters along with changing the foam in your fuel cell every year is sure a lot less hassle than cleaning crud out of a fuel jet at Maxton, or running lean out on the course and doing more serious engine damage. "Cheap Chuck" Rothfuss Pole Cat Hollow, NC At 02:21 PM 3/27/2001 -0800, Dick J wrote: >Okay everybody, wake up! This is a survey. Who >does and who doesn't use a fuel filter? > >It always seemed to me that using a fuel filter >was just "normal", but intstalling my new fuel >system, it occurrs to me that I am putting a >brand new fuel cell inside the right front >fender. I have one foot of new line to the new >fuel pump, then another foot of new line to the >new carburetor. What is it I'm filtering out? > >I plan on keeping this thing just as clean as a >pitcher of beer. Seems like the fuel filter is >un-necessary and only adds restriction to the >fuel delivery system. > >Comments? ? > >===== >Dick J >In East Texas >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 16:57:43 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "Chuck Rothfuss" , Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:56:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Fuel FIlters Back when I was running cars I always filtered the fuel through a chamois into the tank. It's a little slower filling but the results are good. Any protection is better then none. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Rothfuss" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Fuel FIlters > Dick, > > Filters are cheap insurance. I run one big one before the fuel pump and > another smaller one right ahead of the carb. If the pump and filters are up > to snuff the whole system oughto be trouble free. Changing/cleaning a > couple filters along with changing the foam in your fuel cell every year is > sure a lot less hassle than cleaning crud out of a fuel jet at Maxton, or > running lean out on the course and doing more serious engine damage. > > "Cheap Chuck" Rothfuss > Pole Cat Hollow, NC > > > At 02:21 PM 3/27/2001 -0800, Dick J wrote: > >Okay everybody, wake up! This is a survey. Who > >does and who doesn't use a fuel filter? > > > >It always seemed to me that using a fuel filter > >was just "normal", but intstalling my new fuel > >system, it occurrs to me that I am putting a > >brand new fuel cell inside the right front > >fender. I have one foot of new line to the new > >fuel pump, then another foot of new line to the > >new carburetor. What is it I'm filtering out? > > > >I plan on keeping this thing just as clean as a > >pitcher of beer. Seems like the fuel filter is > >un-necessary and only adds restriction to the > >fuel delivery system. > > > >Comments? ? > > > >===== > >Dick J > >In East Texas > >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > > /// /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 18:30:49 2001 From: webmaster@landracing.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:30:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: New on the album: Tim Cunha\'s SR Roadster Please visit the album on http://www.landracing.com to see the new addition: Tim Cunha\'s SR Roadster. Thank you. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 20:14:51 2001 From: "Phillip Landry" To: land-speed@autox.team.net, flatheadfordv8@onelist.com, Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 03:14:20 Subject: Latest Pictures of our car The latest pictures of our race car. We did some work at Gary's place of employment ( Leading Edge Technology ). Gary can be seen working on the cowl cover. The ugly part is the spun rod bearings (because I didn't prelube the engine). Phil and Gary http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=53220&a=12316414&f=0&vt=vp _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 20:51:32 2001 From: Joe Amo To: Dick J Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:41:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Fuel FIlters the stuff that restricts jets and leans fuel mixture and burns pistons Joe Dick J wrote: > What is it I'm filtering out? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Tue Mar 27 23:46:26 2001 From: DOUG ODOM To: HastingsV@aol.com, bellytk@nh.ultranet.com, ARDUNDOUG@aol.com, Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:46:36 -0800 Subject: TRANNY FOR POSTWAR FLATHEAD - - - - - You should get in touch with Lloyd Capanna at Wilcap.com Lloyd make adapters for almost every kind of trans. to a flatty and old Hemi. His phone is (805) 481-7639 You can e-mail him or call. Hope you someone can help, In puttin' an 8BA in my '32 (orig. steel, no 'glass stuff). I can't find any really good info on a good trans to go behind this. I would like to have a top loader if possible, but hey, gotta do whatcha gotta do. I've got a new Hal. QC for the rearend, so ratios are not a real problem. Any flathead guys up there with any suggestions. Thanks for anything. Not a lot of flathead folks here in N. Georgia. Tim Payne tim_p1@mindspring.com /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 03:56:37 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Joe Amo" , "Dick J" Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:52:41 -0600 Subject: Re: Fuel FIlters I can't imagine not running that Pretty new Filter your wife gave you Dick....Like Chuck I have used two filters.... Currently we are running a couple of LARGE BG filters on the tank side only but our fuel is in constant circulation in both the Carb system and the Nitrous system.... thereby giving us Cool ( non engine heated ) Fuel at any point in the course. The filters are Before the pumps to protect the pumps as well as the carb.... I have in fact run out of fuel on the top end of the course at Maxton Dick with a very similiar engine.... the first time we ran the car I didn't have enough Fuel pump and a filter that was Too restrictive.... caused it to lean out and burn a couple of pistons.... So much for standard High Performance mechanical pumps and stock type filters on 300hp .... Last but not least I think Ed can talk a bit about what happens when the foam goes bad.... Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Amo" To: "Dick J" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Fuel FIlters > the stuff that restricts jets and leans fuel mixture > and burns pistons > > Joe > > Dick J wrote: > > > > What is it I'm filtering out? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 05:54:17 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:50:27 -0600 Subject: Spring....( I think I finally lost it ) After this many years you would think Miss Kathy has a better clue.... she bet me I wouldn't call the Police department and report a theft.... Far as I am concerned someone stole SPRING.... It's to damn COLD ... and The call was a riot.... we all laughed .....except Miss Kathy.... she wants them to come get me for making false Police reports.... She is willing to tell them exactly where to find me.... Keith ( sometimes ya just gotta start the day off with a laugh ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 06:21:09 2001 From: Scott Cowle To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:20:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: camshaft timing A question for any and all, Generally when a camshaft is advanced , how much top end rpm is lost. When I installed my new cam and checked it , it turned out to be 3 degrees advanced. I know this is better for bottom end power but what we're doing requires top end. This new cam is good for about 6500rpm set straight up. I'm just wondering how far down the rpm range the power will be moved if at all.This is a 440 mopar. Scott /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 06:34:23 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: Scott Cowle Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:29:18 -0500 Subject: Re: camshaft timing This may sound initially vague but i would need a ton more info to make an intelligent decision. Like what kind of induction, compression ratio, timing for the cam at 0.050 lift, cam lift, lobe separation, rod length, intended power range just about everything as there is no real 'blanket' answer... 3 degrees in one engine and cam may be one thing that has nothing to do with another cam or engine. Dave Dahlgren Scott Cowle wrote: > > A question for any and all, Generally when a camshaft is advanced , how > much top end rpm is lost. When I installed my new cam and checked it , it > turned out to be 3 degrees advanced. I know this is better for bottom end > power but what we're doing requires top end. This new cam is good for about > 6500rpm set straight up. I'm just wondering how far down the rpm range the > power will be moved if at all.This is a 440 mopar. > Scott /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 06:49:26 2001 From: "John Beckett" To: "Joe Amo" , "Dick J" Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:23:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Fuel FIlters Way back when I first started running LSR I had a filter two small for the fuel needs of the Hilborn pump. Trust me, when the filter is inadequate or if restricted with goop it will run lean and it cuts HP dramatically. On the other hand I would never run without a filter. I now have two biggies on my car. One in front of the very expensive electric fuel pump and one after the pump to protect the injectors and jets. They ain't cheep, but they work great. And compared to the cost of a ruined engine or lost records etc. its good insurance. John Beckett, LSR Comp Coupe #79 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Amo" To: "Dick J" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: Re: Fuel FIlters > the stuff that restricts jets and leans fuel mixture > and burns pistons > > Joe > > Dick J wrote: > > > > What is it I'm filtering out? /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 07:05:11 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Keith Turk , Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:01:39 -0800 Subject: Re: Porting Table At Mike Chapman's place (Chapman Cylinder Heads) they have a room with several similar stations. The tops of the tables and the grates are all sprayed with Rhino Liner. Cuts down on noise and scuffing of the aluminum castings. There is a holder for several different die grinders with various heads already mounted at each station. Under the counter the filings are sucked down a slanting surface, in front of, and away from, the users knees to a collector tube at the bottom. Everything is sucked out to the back of the building where he has a device that reminds me of a sawdust burner where he collects the shavings and bits for re-cycling. Picks up several tons per year. With the fan at the rear of the building the noise is minimal as well. Of course the four CNC machines feed into the same spot too. The place is extremely clean, floors and counter tops as well and you feel like the heads they process through there are going to be as debris free as is possible. You can see why their product is so good. Wes on 3/27/01 12:20 AM, Keith Turk at kturk@ala.net wrote: > One of the neat pieces I saw at Paul Vanderley's place was a Cool down draft > head porting table.... > > Picture and open grate with a squirel cage fan below it basically the whole > deal flows air and sucks the metal shaving's away...Looked like it could be > used as a Welding and grinding table as well > > I didn't have my Digital camera with me or I would have gotten a Picture.... > but I think I can describe it..... the Grate was about 1 1/2' X 3 feet and > below it was a squarish Funnel down to the squirel fan mounted about 2' > below it.... The whole set up was on a bench top and was flush so you could > cover it with say cardboard and never know it was there. > > Most likely a standard sorta piece and I had just never seen one.... neat > deal.... > > Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 07:06:41 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Phillip Landry'" , land-speed@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:05:42 -0700 Subject: RE: Latest Pictures of our car Thanks for the pictures, Phil. Looks like a really well engineered car, nice workmanship. Good luck with it! Dale C. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Subject: Latest Pictures of our car The latest pictures of our race car. We did some work at Gary's place of employment ( Leading Edge Technology ). Gary can be seen working on the cowl cover. The ugly part is the spun rod bearings (because I didn't prelube the engine). 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If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 07:09:28 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , Joe Amo Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:09:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Fuel Pumps Keith What kind of mechanical pump were you using when you ran out of fuel? I bought a Carter 120 GPH NASCAR pump which is about double the flow of what most so-called high performance mechanical pumps flow. Thanks to what you guys said, I will run a filter, maybe two. I guess I was going to run one all along, I just wanted to hear what everybody had to say on the subject. ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 07:15:54 2001 From: Dick J To: Phillip Landry , land-speed@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:15:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Phil and Gary's Flathead Roadster Phil, that is a really beautiful car you guys are building. Once you get your oiling gremlin put down, it will be a blast to drive. Hopefully, some of these flathead guys on the list will be able to help you out a little bit. Between Ardun Bill and Ardun Doug and Dave the Hayseed, I think you're looking at about 200 years of flathead expertise! Throw in the other flathead guys here and you can't go wrong! ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 07:20:32 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:14:24 +0100 Subject: spring etc... Keith, nice one, starting the day with a laugh never hurt anybody, not even the police dept Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 08:47:14 2001 From: Ken Bond To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:48:10 -0800 Subject: Tires... one more time :-( Folks, Any more' tire ideas?? I need another source for tires. I have spoken to Shelby in Az. and to Mickey Thompson and they do NOT make the tire I need. Background: I am putting together a 85 Vette for D/GT and am in the process of putting a Ford 9" rear-end in the car. Well, life is a LOT simpler if I go with a 24" tall tire in terms of getting ride height, etc. where I want it. If I run a 26"~ 27" tall tire, then the butt of the car is too high unless I do lots of MAJOR surgery to frame, etc. to get the car to sit down properly. Anyway, trying to avoid the major surgery, I am looking for a 24" tall tire with a 6.5" ~ 7.0" wide tread. I could' run 14 to 16 inch rims in the back (got the room) but that doesn't seem to help with my options. Any ideas of other sources to check? KEN * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Ken Bond, * * Prof. of Bus. Admin. * * Humboldt State Univ. ____________ * * Arcata, CA 95521 _______| 58 85 99 |_________ * * / How much horsepower / * * / Can I have and still / * * Wk.:707.826.4277 /_________ go to Heaven?______/ * * Wk Fax:707.826.6666 |_61______61_| * * Hm.:707.826.7764 I Never Drive Faster than * * Hm Fax:707.826.0334 My Guardian Angel Can Fly * * Internet: * * kmb2@humboldt.edu (office) * * ragtops@humboldt1.com (home) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 08:59:06 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Keith Turk" Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:59:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Fuel FIlters What Keith is talking about is 2 years ago at Speedweeek I was having fuel flow problems; seems that the cell foam was breaking up & fortunately, the "garbage" was caught in the filters (one before the pump, one before the carb). Otherwise it probably would have ended up in the carb. A good filter will not be a restriction and it is the cheapest engine insurance you can buy. Ed Keith Turk wrote: > Last but not least I think Ed can talk a bit about what happens when the > foam goes bad.... /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 09:54:46 2001 From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Ken Bond" Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:54:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Tires... one more time :-( If you can live with 25", Goodyear does have a 15", 7" wide tire that will work. If you need the #, let me know. Ed Ken Bond wrote: > Folks, > > Any more' tire ideas?? I need another source for tires. > > I have spoken to Shelby in Az. and to Mickey Thompson and they do NOT make > the tire I need. > > Background: I am putting together a 85 Vette for D/GT and am in the > process of putting a Ford 9" rear-end in the car. Well, life is a LOT > simpler if I go with a 24" tall tire in terms of getting ride height, etc. > where I want it. If I run a 26"~ 27" tall tire, then the butt of the car > is too high unless I do lots of MAJOR surgery to frame, etc. to get the car > to sit down properly. > > Anyway, trying to avoid the major surgery, I am looking for a 24" tall tire > with a 6.5" ~ 7.0" wide tread. I could' run 14 to 16 inch rims in the > back (got the room) but that doesn't seem to help with my options. > > Any ideas of other sources to check? > > KEN > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * Ken Bond, * > * Prof. of Bus. Admin. * > * Humboldt State Univ. ____________ * > * Arcata, CA 95521 _______| 58 85 99 |_________ * > * / How much horsepower / * > * / Can I have and still / * > * Wk.:707.826.4277 /_________ go to Heaven?______/ * > * Wk Fax:707.826.6666 |_61______61_| * > * Hm.:707.826.7764 I Never Drive Faster than * > * Hm Fax:707.826.0334 My Guardian Angel Can Fly * > * Internet: * > * kmb2@humboldt.edu (office) * > * ragtops@humboldt1.com (home) * > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 10:05:25 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: "LSR Group" Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:12:06 -0600 Subject: Metal the easy way List, I just ordered some metal pieces, and it occured to me that everyone might not be aware of this service. There are a number of companies around the country specializing in small order metal stuff like rounds, flats, drill rod, tubing etc. They cut to size, so if you need six pieces of roll cage tubing 14" long, order it that way, no problem. Most have steel, aluminum, stainless, bearing bronze, you name it. I use a local outfit for faster UPS, but they are all over. A good outfit with an online catalog can be found at http://metalmart.com Jerry in Dallas (planning my weekend) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 10:09:23 2001 From: jon amo To: Ken Bond Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:06:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Tires... one more time :-( It seems that you may need to look to a metric size. Many tires would then fit your size requirements. For instance, a 215/40ZR17 would be aprox. 215mm across and 40% tall as it is wide and fit a 17inch wheel. A Potenza S-02 in this size is 23.7inches tall and 6.9inches wide. It helps to have the manufactures spec. book in front of you which I do. There are MANY tires made by MANY manufactures available in your size with 15 or 16 inch rims. Ken Bond wrote: > Folks, > > Any more' tire ideas?? I need another source for tires. > > I have spoken to Shelby in Az. and to Mickey Thompson and they do NOT make > the tire I need. > > Background: I am putting together a 85 Vette for D/GT and am in the > process of putting a Ford 9" rear-end in the car. Well, life is a LOT > simpler if I go with a 24" tall tire in terms of getting ride height, etc. > where I want it. If I run a 26"~ 27" tall tire, then the butt of the car > is too high unless I do lots of MAJOR surgery to frame, etc. to get the car > to sit down properly. > > Anyway, trying to avoid the major surgery, I am looking for a 24" tall tire > with a 6.5" ~ 7.0" wide tread. I could' run 14 to 16 inch rims in the > back (got the room) but that doesn't seem to help with my options. > > Any ideas of other sources to check? > > KEN > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * Ken Bond, * > * Prof. of Bus. Admin. * > * Humboldt State Univ. ____________ * > * Arcata, CA 95521 _______| 58 85 99 |_________ * > * / How much horsepower / * > * / Can I have and still / * > * Wk.:707.826.4277 /_________ go to Heaven?______/ * > * Wk Fax:707.826.6666 |_61______61_| * > * Hm.:707.826.7764 I Never Drive Faster than * > * Hm Fax:707.826.0334 My Guardian Angel Can Fly * > * Internet: * > * kmb2@humboldt.edu (office) * > * ragtops@humboldt1.com (home) * > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 10:16:49 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: JERRY FOSTER Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:11:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Metal the easy way You might want to try http://www.yarde.com and look in the drop zone for cutoffs at substantial savings. I looked at the link below and they are charging 3 times the going rate for 6061 aluminum. I buy lots of it and it should be about 2.25 a pound and they are charging 6.33 a pound.. Dave Dahlgren JERRY FOSTER wrote: > > List, I just ordered some metal pieces, and it occured to me that everyone > might not be aware of this service. > > There are a number of companies around the country specializing in small order > metal stuff like rounds, flats, drill rod, tubing etc. They cut to size, so > if you need six pieces of roll cage tubing 14" long, order it that way, no > problem. Most have steel, aluminum, stainless, bearing bronze, you name it. > > I use a local outfit for faster UPS, but they are all over. A good outfit > with an online catalog can be found at http://metalmart.com > > Jerry in Dallas (planning my weekend) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 10:27:29 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Dave Dahlgren" , Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:31:13 -0600 Subject: Engine Turned Aluminum Hey guys speaking of metal.... how was the old Engine turned aluminum or stainless actually done? what did they use to create the swirls? and how do you think they indexed it to get the patterns right? I know it sounds like a stupid question.... but I honestly don't know and it was used a bunch on older cars and I even seem to remember some old Bonneville cars with Engine turned stuff on them..... Just an odd ball question Keith... ---------- > From: Dave Dahlgren > To: JERRY FOSTER > Cc: LSR Group > Subject: Re: Metal the easy way > Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:11 AM > > You might want to try http://www.yarde.com and look in the > drop zone for cutoffs at substantial savings. I looked at > the link below and they are charging 3 times the going rate > for 6061 aluminum. I buy lots of it and it should be about > 2.25 a pound and they are charging 6.33 a pound.. > Dave Dahlgren > > JERRY FOSTER wrote: > > > > List, I just ordered some metal pieces, and it occured to me that everyone > > might not be aware of this service. > > > > There are a number of companies around the country specializing in small order > > metal stuff like rounds, flats, drill rod, tubing etc. They cut to size, so > > if you need six pieces of roll cage tubing 14" long, order it that way, no > > problem. Most have steel, aluminum, stainless, bearing bronze, you name it. > > > > I use a local outfit for faster UPS, but they are all over. A good outfit > > with an online catalog can be found at http://metalmart.com > > > > Jerry in Dallas (planning my weekend) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 10:30:45 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: kturk@ala.net Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:25:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Engine Turned Aluminum A wire brush end and a good eye works pretty easy.. Dave Keith Turk wrote: > > Hey guys speaking of metal.... how was the old Engine turned aluminum or > stainless actually done? > > what did they use to create the swirls? and how do you think they indexed > it to get the patterns right? > > I know it sounds like a stupid question.... but I honestly don't know and > it was used a bunch on older cars and I even seem to remember some old > Bonneville cars with Engine turned stuff on them..... > > Just an odd ball question > > Keith... > ---------- > > From: Dave Dahlgren > > To: JERRY FOSTER > > Cc: LSR Group > > Subject: Re: Metal the easy way > > Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:11 AM > > > > You might want to try http://www.yarde.com and look in the > > drop zone for cutoffs at substantial savings. I looked at > > the link below and they are charging 3 times the going rate > > for 6061 aluminum. I buy lots of it and it should be about > > 2.25 a pound and they are charging 6.33 a pound.. > > Dave Dahlgren > > > > JERRY FOSTER wrote: > > > > > > List, I just ordered some metal pieces, and it occured to me that > everyone > > > might not be aware of this service. > > > > > > There are a number of companies around the country specializing in > small order > > > metal stuff like rounds, flats, drill rod, tubing etc. They cut to > size, so > > > if you need six pieces of roll cage tubing 14" long, order it that way, > no > > > problem. Most have steel, aluminum, stainless, bearing bronze, you > name it. > > > > > > I use a local outfit for faster UPS, but they are all over. A good > outfit > > > with an online catalog can be found at http://metalmart.com > > > > > > Jerry in Dallas (planning my weekend) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 10:48:58 2001 From: "JERRY FOSTER" To: , "Dave Dahlgren" Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:55:31 -0600 Subject: Re: Engine Turned Aluminum Keith, I think the usual way was to mount a felt bob in a drill press (mill is a lot better), and put grinding compound under it and make a swirl. Then move over and the next one overlaps. With a mill, you just crank the table over a certain amount. I believe Dave was refering to brushed aluminum. Jerry PS:: Eastwood had a kit for engine turning . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: "Dave Dahlgren" ; "JERRY FOSTER" Cc: "LSR Group" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:31 AM Subject: Engine Turned Aluminum > > Hey guys speaking of metal.... how was the old Engine turned aluminum or > stainless actually done? > > what did they use to create the swirls? and how do you think they indexed > it to get the patterns right? > > I know it sounds like a stupid question.... but I honestly don't know and > it was used a bunch on older cars and I even seem to remember some old > Bonneville cars with Engine turned stuff on them..... > > Just an odd ball question > > Keith... > ---------- > > From: Dave Dahlgren > > To: JERRY FOSTER > > Cc: LSR Group > > Subject: Re: Metal the easy way > > Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:11 AM > > > > You might want to try http://www.yarde.com and look in the > > drop zone for cutoffs at substantial savings. I looked at > > the link below and they are charging 3 times the going rate > > for 6061 aluminum. I buy lots of it and it should be about > > 2.25 a pound and they are charging 6.33 a pound.. > > Dave Dahlgren > > > > JERRY FOSTER wrote: > > > > > > List, I just ordered some metal pieces, and it occured to me that > everyone > > > might not be aware of this service. > > > > > > There are a number of companies around the country specializing in > small order > > > metal stuff like rounds, flats, drill rod, tubing etc. They cut to > size, so > > > if you need six pieces of roll cage tubing 14" long, order it that way, > no > > > problem. Most have steel, aluminum, stainless, bearing bronze, you > name it. > > > > > > I use a local outfit for faster UPS, but they are all over. A good > outfit > > > with an online catalog can be found at http://metalmart.com > > > > > > Jerry in Dallas (planning my weekend) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 10:51:17 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: JERRY FOSTER Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:46:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Engine Turned Aluminum Probably, I am used to making bigger scratches that than in aluminum. The way I can tell if the feed rate is high enough is if i can make something else out of the chip.. Dave JERRY FOSTER wrote: > > Keith, I think the usual way was to mount a felt bob in a drill press (mill > is a lot better), and put grinding compound under it and make a swirl. Then > move over and the next one overlaps. With a mill, you just crank the table > over a certain amount. I believe Dave was refering to brushed aluminum. > Jerry PS:: Eastwood had a kit for engine turning . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Turk" > To: "Dave Dahlgren" ; "JERRY FOSTER" > > Cc: "LSR Group" > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:31 AM > Subject: Engine Turned Aluminum > > > > > Hey guys speaking of metal.... how was the old Engine turned aluminum or > > stainless actually done? > > > > what did they use to create the swirls? and how do you think they indexed > > it to get the patterns right? > > > > I know it sounds like a stupid question.... but I honestly don't know and > > it was used a bunch on older cars and I even seem to remember some old > > Bonneville cars with Engine turned stuff on them..... > > > > Just an odd ball question > > > > Keith... > > ---------- > > > From: Dave Dahlgren > > > To: JERRY FOSTER > > > Cc: LSR Group > > > Subject: Re: Metal the easy way > > > Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:11 AM > > > > > > You might want to try http://www.yarde.com and look in the > > > drop zone for cutoffs at substantial savings. I looked at > > > the link below and they are charging 3 times the going rate > > > for 6061 aluminum. I buy lots of it and it should be about > > > 2.25 a pound and they are charging 6.33 a pound.. > > > Dave Dahlgren > > > > > > JERRY FOSTER wrote: > > > > > > > > List, I just ordered some metal pieces, and it occured to me that > > everyone > > > > might not be aware of this service. > > > > > > > > There are a number of companies around the country specializing in > > small order > > > > metal stuff like rounds, flats, drill rod, tubing etc. They cut to > > size, so > > > > if you need six pieces of roll cage tubing 14" long, order it that > way, > > no > > > > problem. Most have steel, aluminum, stainless, bearing bronze, you > > name it. > > > > > > > > I use a local outfit for faster UPS, but they are all over. A good > > outfit > > > > with an online catalog can be found at http://metalmart.com > > > > > > > > Jerry in Dallas (planning my weekend) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 11:07:22 2001 From: Scott Cowle To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:07:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: camshaft timing n I realize when I asked my earlier question that a lot of variables affect engine performance. What I really wanted to know or get was a rough idea from other people's experiences what kind of performance adjustment they experienced when only cam timing was adjusted. I've never done this before. Since my cam is installed as per manufacturers instructions, it is sitting 3 degrees advanced. I guess I was wondering if anyone else felt it was important enough to retard it 3 or 4 degrees to increase top end power. Scott /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 11:55:58 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: fosterap@flash.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:55:27 EST Subject: Re: Metal the easy way Jerry, That reminds me of the time I went to the local sheetmetal shop for some thing to use on the Riley 4-Port sprinter I was restoring at the time. There was a pile of cutoff pieces under the power sheer. I asked if they were scrap. "Can you use it?" asked the owner, "Sure" I said. "Then it ain't scrap!" replyed the owner. Lesson learned. Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 12:04:24 2001 From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:03:20 EST Subject: ENGINE TURNING : A TOUCH OF CLASS ( Damascening ) Keith, I first engine turned some pieces in the 50s, and I have found that a drill press can do a good job, when used with a straight edge ( angle iron or flat bar ) clamped to the table to slide your work piece along ...... this gives you the nice straight rows, and you then advance the work the same amount each time, after you determine the amount of overlap to the swirls that gives the look you want . I have used wooden dowels of different sizes and various pcs of brass, steel or aluminum bar stock ..... even old valves with small diameter heads . Valve grinding compound or a mixture of grease and grinding dust from your shop applied to the end of the dowels at regular intervals can produce the effect you want after a little experimentation, especially on aluminum and brass, which are softer, of course . The end of an old worn out countersink bit can be quickly ground down on a grinding wheel until you reach the place on the taper that provides the right diameter for the swirls ..... leave the end rough and it will give the desired results . Any piece of steel bar stock with a rough face on the working end will work on steel and stainless parts ...... I have used an old fuel pump push rod several times with good results . A Bridgeport can do a great job at this engine turning, but not every shop has one, and I have even seen some random pattern turning done with a hand held drill ...... the parts looked very good . In the era of the great classic cars that so often featured engine turned parts both on the engines and various other parts, this technique was often called " damascening " which was a term derived from the wavy ornamental patterns often applied to Damascus steel, going back to metalworking in the 16th century in Europe . Have fun experimenting ...... I imagine the So Al Special and the Bug Eye will soon be sporting some' Engine Turned by Turk ' goodies ! Bruce /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 12:20:21 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:20:10 +0100 Subject: engine turned alloy keith, I knew a guy years ago that did a lot of engine turning on his drag cars (mostly ford pops) on the fire walls etc.. he used a small pillar drill and a home made jig to index the patterns, he used an old engine valve on to which he stuck emery cloth to get the effect, you could do the same using cartridge rolls on a mandrel, it's a pity it's not as popular now it looks really good when done well, Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 12:25:54 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, ddahlgren@snet.net, fosterap@flash.net Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:24:55 EST Subject: Re: Engine Turned Aluminum Keith, That brings me back to the days in the Bugatti Restoration shop!!!!! That was on of my jobs! It is REAL simple, like roofing a house BORING! What we had was a guide that was made from a stpip of aluminum wasbe three feet lond 1/4 thick, think of a yardstick. every 1/2" or so you came in with an endmill and made the ^-^-^-^-^-^-(damn, I'm good just figured that out) guide. Next thing is the tool to fit in your electric drill. It was home(shop)made a universal joint that attached to a 1/4 shaft maybe three inches long. The guide was screwed to a 2X4 and spaced out so the tool would clear it. We would use an arbor punch to knock out disks from conveyor belting ant there were glued to the tool. Hope a haven't lost the tour yet. Now this is where is gets good. Take a piece of plywood, good stuff 3/4 inch say 4x3 whatever size that id bigger than the panel to be turned. Oh, this is getting long, sorry. Mark off both sides say 3/8-1/2 increments. the size of the circle your turning determines this. Get a sheel of fairly hard aluminum be sure is is oversize to the piece you are turning. Screw the sheet to the plywood, buy a gallon cam of valve gringing compound, it comes in different grits. Cover the entire sheet with compound, set the guide in place remember the side markings. NUMBER THEM!!!!! Then start spinning the tool in the comound and repete all the way down the guide. Once you come to the end unclamp the guide(used C clamps) and move the guide up and OVER one hole. This gives tou the stagger. Sad thing is once you start you cans stop and go back becouse the circles are overlapped. Hope this us understandable. ........Now about my seat time in the SoAl Special. Bob in Sunny Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 15:22:50 2001 From: DaCudaKid@aol.com To: Land-Speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:22:28 EST Subject: Mickey Thompson Just happened to be watching the 2:00 news, it was reported that an Orange County Grand Jurt is meeting to see about indicting Michael Goodwin for the murder of Thompson and his wife Trudy. Hey Bruce (Mr. Fastmetal), remember our conversation? Goodwin's attorney was asked why a muder committed in Los Angeles County was being tried in Orange County, the attorney's reply was that the Orange County prosecutor was returning a favor to former San Juan Capistrano mayor, Collene Campbell, Thompson's sister. Mike in L.A. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 17:56:03 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: lsr_man@yahoo.com, saltracer@hotmail.com, land-speed@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:54:05 EST Subject: Re: Phil and Gary's Flathead Roadster What's a flathead? Kidding!!! geesh!!! Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 17:59:40 2001 From: Flowbench@aol.com To: kturk@ala.net, ddahlgren@snet.net, fosterap@flash.net Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:58:34 EST Subject: Re: Engine Turned Aluminum In a message dated 3/28/01 9:30:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, kturk@ala.net writes: << how was the old Engine turned aluminum or stainless actually done? >> There's a product used to deburr metals called Craytex. You spin it in a drill press and follow the pencel lines and........wala! Mike /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 18:41:18 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:40:42 EST Subject: Re: Tires... one more time :-( In a message dated 3/28/01 9:48:16 AM Central Standard Time, kmb2@humboldt.edu writes: << Anyway, trying to avoid the major surgery, I am looking for a 24" tall tire with a 6.5" ~ 7.0" wide tread. I could' run 14 to 16 inch rims in the back (got the room) but that doesn't seem to help with my options. Any ideas of other sources to check? KEN >> Ken have you looked at the site wwwtirerack.com they have some yokohama speed rated tires that are 195/65VR15 which is a little wider than you might want(7.67 wide and 24 inches tall) but close. The price is right also about $70.00 each. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 19:01:35 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:00:47 EST Subject: Re: Engine Turned Aluminum In a message dated 3/28/01 11:30:17 AM Central Standard Time, kturk@ala.net writes: << Hey guys speaking of metal.... how was the old Engine turned aluminum or stainless actually done? >> There has been a lot of good suggestions on engine turning, the way I did the dash inserts on the Willys was to use scotts pads cut with a 1inch hole punch. Then I used a mandrel that had a pad on it that had hooks like velcro. This held the scotts pads in place and worked real good. I used my mill to get the pattern that I wanted after some trial and error. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 19:42:49 2001 From: DOUG ODOM To: Scott Cowle Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:43:01 -0800 Subject: Re: camshaft timing Scott, Years ago I spent two days on the dyno with a 426 mopar wedge nascar engine. It had a Racer Brown STX 21 camshaft in it. I changed the cam in two degree increments from 6 degrees retarded to 6 degrees advanced. It made the most power at straight up. It never made more power at the top or bottom end with the cam in any position other than straight up. If you have the right cam for the motor, you have the right cam! Doug Odom in big ditch Scott Cowle wrote: > > n I realize when I asked my earlier question that a lot of variables affect > engine performance. What I really wanted to know or get was a rough idea > from other people's experiences what kind of performance adjustment they > experienced when only cam timing was adjusted. I've never done this before. > Since my cam is installed as per manufacturers instructions, it is sitting 3 > degrees advanced. I guess I was wondering if anyone else felt it was > important enough to retard it 3 or 4 degrees to increase top end power. > Scott /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Wed Mar 28 21:50:59 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:47:12 -0600 Subject: Details You know as I finish up getting the Camaro ready to go racing I thought I would share how I do this.... not really complicated but worth mentioning I think.... There are so many little details to check that I simply can't remember them all at one time.... so I have this check list Doug Odom sent me a while back and I go through it.... and then I have kinda my own way of starting at the back of the car and working forward.... With a Pad of paper I jot down notes as I think of them.... example's might be .... Nitrous lines.... Fuel.... Battery cables... so on and so forth... then I check them off or line through them as I finish each task.... also make a copy to take to work with me to think it through so I have a plan when I get home... My Goal is to do ALL of the work at Home and have the car ready to race as it comes out of the trailer... I have more tools and ability at home then I do at the Track so why not take advantage of the facilities....that and it's so easy to become distracted by visitors and so on that things just don't get checked even with the best of intentions.... I think the this is one of my favorite parts about racing.... just the futsing with the little stuff that it takes to have a FUN weekend.... Just checking the Fluids is a 15 minute task.... but it makes you feel good to know that Everything is RIGHT and Ready.... Keith ( yeah I know it's boring.... but I have done this about 15 times now and I still enjoy it each and every time.... Can't assume anything is Right just cause it was before ) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 05:42:00 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:38:15 -0600 Subject: Barstools Just been following Jim Hattok's new Bar stool he is building for this year... it's an amazing collection of hot rodding.... Yeah it's a damn barstool but.... This guy has spent a ton of time thinking through just exactly how this is going to work.... What I like about it is JIM is going racing in Sept with the USFRA bunch and they have given him a place to do that.... and for some folks with limited space to build a race car or bike.... this thing only takes up a small bench top.... Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 07:41:18 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:41:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Spark Plugs Small Block Chevy - 10:1 CR - Gasoline - 6700 RPM What spark plugs? It occurrs to me that the OEM recommendation for daily use may not be the best for LSR. ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 07:44:55 2001 From: "Keith Turk" To: "Dick J" , Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:37:25 -0600 Subject: Re: Spark Plugs What length Dick? We run a C59cx or so in most the motors.... depends on the depth of the thread.... Also run Cooler Plugs with the Nitrous set up... by 2 numbers... K ---------- > From: Dick J > To: Keith Turk ; land-speed@autox.team.net > Subject: Spark Plugs > Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:41 AM > > Small Block Chevy - 10:1 CR - Gasoline - 6700 RPM > > What spark plugs? It occurrs to me that the OEM > recommendation for daily use may not be the best > for LSR. > > ===== > Dick J > In East Texas > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 07:51:29 2001 From: Dick J To: kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:51:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Spark Plugs Hmm, never thought about the length. Figured Chevy SB was Chev SB. Whatever those GM 882 head castings call for. Dick J --- Keith Turk wrote: > What length Dick? We run a C59cx or so in > most the motors.... depends on > the depth of the thread.... > > Also run Cooler Plugs with the Nitrous set > up... by 2 numbers... > > K Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 08:03:00 2001 From: Dick J To: John Beckett Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:02:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Chevette John, I met a guy on my other e-mail that said he had been to Bonneville as a spectator in 98 & 99. Said if he forgot everything else, he'd always remember "some east coast guy" with a 200+ MPH Chevette. Damndest thing he'd ever seen. Hmmm - -wonder who he could be talking about?? ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 08:44:05 2001 From: Dave Dahlgren To: Dick J Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:38:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Spark Plugs I would run a projected tip with the heat range used as stock or maybe 1 range cooler but not unless i saw overheating in plugs would i go colder. This engine is typical of what was around in 1968. So maybe something in Champion that is in the 10 or 12 heat range with the rest of the number having the correct thread length and gasketed or not.. Dave Dahlgren Dick J wrote: > > Hmm, never thought about the length. Figured > Chevy SB was Chev SB. Whatever those GM 882 head > castings call for. > > Dick J > > --- Keith Turk wrote: > > What length Dick? We run a C59cx or so in > > most the motors.... depends on > > the depth of the thread.... > > > > Also run Cooler Plugs with the Nitrous set > > up... by 2 numbers... > > > > K > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 09:36:22 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: Keith Turk , Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:33:39 -0800 Subject: Re: Barstools One of the starter motors that was used last year has more torque than a Big Block Chevrolet ... just needs a warm battery. Interesting thought. No noise to speak of either unlike pit bikes that have been and will be mentioned. Wes on 3/29/01 4:38 AM, Keith Turk at kturk@ala.net wrote: > Just been following Jim Hattok's new Bar stool he is building for this > year... it's an amazing collection of hot rodding.... Yeah it's a damn > barstool but.... This guy has spent a ton of time thinking through just > exactly how this is going to work.... > > What I like about it is JIM is going racing in Sept with the USFRA bunch and > they have given him a place to do that.... and for some folks with limited > space to build a race car or bike.... this thing only takes up a small bench > top.... > > Keith /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 09:47:03 2001 From: john robinson To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:46:37 -0600 Subject: spark plugs Howdy OK how do I find a listing of Champion plugs on the web? I don't want to have the website look up a car year model because I need to look up heat ranges, sizes, etc. to make a choice in the plug I want. I am modifying a BSA cylinder head for a second plug, using a 10mm plug for the second plug and am machining an adaptor for a 14mm to 10mm so I can have the same type heat range plug in both holes....and want to match the plugs ..........thanks and drive careful John Robinson, Mechanician Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin 1513 University Ave. Madison, Wi. 53706 608-262-3606 FAX 608-265-2316 Current World Land Speed Record Holder Bonneville Salt Flats H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt 131.333 MPH set 1995 136.666 MPH set 1996 140.292 MPH set 2000 144.396 MPH set 2000 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 13:12:13 2001 From: john robinson To: Wester S Potter Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:11:36 -0600 Subject: Re: spark plugs Howdy, yeah that was one of the 20 or so sites I visited before I posted the request......I'm remodeling the first floor of my house, and every book I own including the ERC plug guide is in a box 6X6X5 in the living room, the box is also supporting the motorcycle leaning against it, and the dining room furniture on top of it....so digging through it is kinda hopeless.....which is why I was looking for a website....thanks...drive careful At 02:51 PM 3/29/01, you wrote: >John, > > From your question I'm assuming you have already tried > >for information. You may need to do something drastic like calling Rick >Gold at (510) 410-4142 and asking him for advice. He has the old catalogs >and could probably recommend the proper heat ranges from those. > >Wes > >on 3/29/01 8:46 AM, john robinson at john@engr.wisc.edu wrote: > > > Howdy > > OK how do I find a listing of Champion plugs on the web? John Robinson, Mechanician Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin 1513 University Ave. Madison, Wi. 53706 608-262-3606 FAX 608-265-2316 Current World Land Speed Record Holder Bonneville Salt Flats H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt 131.333 MPH set 1995 136.666 MPH set 1996 140.292 MPH set 2000 144.396 MPH set 2000 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 13:30:21 2001 From: Ed Van Scoy To: john robinson Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:23:33 -0700 Subject: Re: spark plugs ERC hands out a handy little pamplet on the salt printed by Champion with heat range tables & corresponding plug #s, plus anything else you needed to know about spark plugs. Maybe they would mail you one. Their phone # is (510) 276-9334. Tell them you are a land-speed racer............... Ed john robinson wrote: > Howdy > OK how do I find a listing of Champion plugs on the web? I don't want to > have the website look up a car year model because I need to look up heat > ranges, sizes, etc. to make a choice in the plug I want. I am modifying a > BSA cylinder head for a second plug, using a 10mm plug for the second plug > and am machining an adaptor for a 14mm to 10mm so I can have the same type > heat range plug in both holes....and want to match the plugs > ..........thanks and drive careful > > John Robinson, Mechanician > Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin > 1513 University Ave. > Madison, Wi. 53706 > 608-262-3606 > FAX 608-265-2316 > Current World Land Speed Record Holder > Bonneville Salt Flats > H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt > 131.333 MPH set 1995 > 136.666 MPH set 1996 > 140.292 MPH set 2000 > 144.396 MPH set 2000 /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 13:35:57 2001 From: "Steve Pitt" To: "Keith Turk" , "Landspeed" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:39:35 -0800 Subject: engine turning The subject of engine turning peaked my curiosity so I looked around to find more info. Seems that it is used in decorative metal working quite a bit, on clock faces, etc. and can be quite an art form. I found two turning kits at the Eastwood Company (www.eastwoodco.com) Do a search at their site using the key word turning and it takes you to their catalog where 1/2" and 1" turning kits are listed. I always thought engine turned aluminum looked cool. Steve Pitt /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 17:13:54 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: steve@seattleconstructioninc.com, kturk@ala.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:12:11 EST Subject: Re: engine turning << I always thought engine turned aluminum looked cool. Steve Pitt >> I agree, what is even better looking is the handscraped finish on the aluminum engine pieces on an old Bugatti race car. Does nothing for the performance, but sure makes for a pretty engine. Bob in Connecticit /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 21:09:38 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: "Clay, Dale" , Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:06:01 -0800 Subject: Re: minimum speed? I've been off line for a while and I'm just catching up with this thread.... As a long time salt flats spectator I remember when 217 mph was considered a target speed for hot rods and most of the runs were under 120. Funny how attitudes change over fifty years. USFRA runs the 130 Club and 150 Club as an introduction to salt flats racing for the guy who is just curious about how fast he can run. We have taken major heat from some organized groups for our rules ... perhaps rightly so in some 130 Club cases ... nevertheless we have had tremendous response from those racers who have participated. Check out the Audi enthusiasts web page for an interesting article by John Stahlmann. Sure humbles the guy who is bragging about going 145 on the highway when he can't hit 120 on the salt with accurate timing. As a father with college age kids I often remember the comment by Mary Lou larsen about Fred and the streamliner ... "this is the kid we never had and put through college." Puts the whole thing in perspective. Wes on 3/15/01 3:24 PM, glen barrett at speedtimer@charter.net wrote: > Dale > SCTA or BNI will never say go away to the little guy or slower vehicles. We > started there and will always continue to support them. There are many > racers happy as a pig in mud running the slower classes.It is there goal to > do as much as they can with small motored vehicles. For some it's a starting > place,for others their attitude is I am doing it, what are you doing,setting > at home wishing. > We and USFRA know where they are coming from and we know we need them, they > are the future. > Glen (my clocks go from zero to way out there) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clay, Dale" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 3:01 PM > Subject: RE: minimum speed? > > >> List, >> >> Being a newbie, I probably don't have a complete perspective on this, but >> maybe the newbies perspective is important in this discussion too. First >> let me say its been encouraging to see some of the established stars > coming >> to the defense of the other competitors, thank you. >> >> Being a newbie I'm sure I'll fall into the "slow guy" class for sometime, /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 21:21:21 2001 From: Wester S Potter To: john robinson , Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:18:40 -0800 Subject: Re: minimum speed? Ever notice the KBF/S record time? 223.071! Wes on 3/16/01 5:43 AM, john robinson at john@engr.wisc.edu wrote: > "glen barrett" > Subject: Re: minimum speed? > > Howdy, > I don't see that it is a slower class, try running a little engine to max > effort, it may be slow to you big guys running 2-300, but some of the > H,I,J,K cars are REALLY going FAST! It's all relative....unless you're > wearing purple.... > > --Original Message-- > At 05:24 PM 3/15/01, you wrote: > Dale > SCTA or BNI will never say go away to the little guy or slower vehicles. We > started there and will always continue to support them. There are many > racers happy as a pig in mud running the slower classes.It is there goal to > do as much as they can with small motored vehicles. For some it's a starting > place,for others their attitude is I am doing it, what are you doing,setting > at home wishing. > We and USFRA know where they are coming from and we know we need them, they > are the future. > Glen (my clocks go from zero to way out there) /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 23:06:22 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:06:01 EST Subject: Re: TRANNY FOR POSTWAR FLATHEAD - - - - - In a message dated 03/27/2001 11:02:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, FastmetalBDF writes: << Hope you someone can help, In puttin' an 8BA in my '32 (orig. steel, no 'glass stuff). I can't find any really good info on a good trans to go behind this. I would like to have a top loader if possible, but hey, gotta do whatcha gotta do. I've got a new Hal. QC for the rearend, so ratios are not a real problem. Any flathead guys up there with any suggestions. Thanks for anything. Not a lot of flathead folks here in N. Georgia. Tim Payne tim_p1@mindspring.com >> Tim, If you can find a 8-BA (49-53 FoMoCo) passenger car stick-shift bellhousing it will accept some of the later Ford 4-speed trannys................Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 23:12:23 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:11:55 EST Subject: Re: Fuel FIlters In a message dated 03/27/2001 2:23:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, lsr_man@yahoo.com writes: << What is it I'm filtering out? I plan on keeping this thing just as clean as a pitcher of beer. Seems like the fuel filter is un-necessary and only adds restriction to the fuel delivery system. Comments? ? >> Dick, Put a fuel filter on ANY system, new or old, and amaze yourself with what it picks out..............Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 23:26:12 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:25:48 EST Subject: Re: Tires... one more time :-( In a message dated 03/28/2001 7:48:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, kmb2@humboldt.edu writes: << Anyway, trying to avoid the major surgery, I am looking for a 24" tall tire with a 6.5" ~ 7.0" wide tread. I could' run 14 to 16 inch rims in the back (got the room) but that doesn't seem to help with my options. Any ideas of other sources to check? KEN >> Ken, Don't some of the Goodyear Front Runners fall into that size and width envelope? Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Thu Mar 29 23:27:48 2001 From: "Jonathan Amo" To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:27:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Fuel FIlters Um, does microscopic mean anything here? Jonathan << What is it I'm filtering out? "I plan on keeping this thing just as clean as a pitcher of beer. Seems like the fuel filter is un-necessary and only adds restriction to the fuel delivery system." Um, does microscopic mean anything here? Jonathan ARDUNDOUG@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 03/27/2001 2:23:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lsr_man@yahoo.com writes: > > << What is it I'm filtering out? > > I plan on keeping this thing just as clean as a > pitcher of beer. Seems like the fuel filter is > un-necessary and only adds restriction to the > fuel delivery system. > > Comments? ? > >> > Dick, > Put a fuel filter on ANY system, new or old, and amaze yourself with what > it picks out..............Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 30 01:26:44 2001 From: "Jonathan Amo" To: "land-speed@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:10:04 -0700 Subject: Landracing.com Viewers, Over the next week or so Landracing.com will be doing a major undate on the servers. This includes a new server, and different version of UNIX. This should not affect the domains currently running on the servers. Ths could however affect email users of the website. If you are a regular user and something is not functioning like your email, email me asap and I will try to get it taken care of in a timely manner. My first goal is to make sure Landracing.com is running 100% with all of the scripting included in the site. The next process will be moving the current domains hosted by the site over. After they are running I will be getting majordomo up and running with the current lists world-records, land-speed and get the archives set up so I can record all the messages going thru the system so they can be searched for information. This will take me some time to get most everything updated and back in working order. So if you are viewing the site some features of the site may not work until I get all the bugs worked out. There is no easy way to move to different versions of software but this update will allow alot of new features of the site. Some that will be more automated will be user registration of email address, an archive for the majordomo email lists, Frontpage 2000 extensions for the domain users of the website. So keep coming back for the updates and the new features. Webmaster http://www.landracing.com /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 30 06:48:10 2001 From: "Clay, Dale" To: "'Jonathan Amo'" , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:47:36 -0700 Subject: RE: Landracing.com Jonathan, I (we) can't thank you enough for putting this on, I love this list. So much good information and great people, thanks again. Dale C. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / Subject: Landracing.com Viewers, Over the next week or so Landracing.com will be doing a major undate on the servers. This includes a new server, and different version of UNIX. This should not affect the domains currently running on the servers. Ths could however affect email users of the website. If you are a regular user and something is not functioning like your email, email me asap and I will try to get it taken care of in a timely manner. 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If you received this in error, please contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer.. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 30 08:15:18 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: ddahlgren@snet.net, kturk@ala.net Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:14:09 EST Subject: Re: Engine Turned Aluminum In a message dated 3/28/2001 9:31:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, ddahlgren@snet.net writes: << ey guys speaking of metal.... how was the old Engine turned aluminum or > stainless actually done? >> I have used cratex in a drill press Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 30 08:21:24 2001 From: Dick J To: Steve Pitt , Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:20:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: engine turning When I worked for Uncle, we had a machinist there who did a lot of turning on modified aircraft parts. He used the mill witha 1" mandrel and medium grit grinding pad. He moved the piece up and down and back and forth by indexing pre-set 3/4 inch moves. We had some of the best looking stuff flying for uncle. Dick J ===== Dick J In East Texas Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 30 08:24:13 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: Flowbench@aol.com, lsr_man@yahoo.com, saltracer@hotmail.com, Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:23:05 EST Subject: Re: Phil and Gary's Flathead Roadster In a message dated 3/28/2001 4:57:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, Flowbench@aol.com writes: << What's a flathead? >> A V8 engine produced by Ford Motor Co. from 1932 to 1953! All others are flathead engines! Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 30 08:25:58 2001 From: Nt788@aol.com To: popms@thegrid.net, scowle@mentorcollege.edu Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:25:25 EST Subject: Re: camshaft timing In a message dated 3/28/2001 6:48:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, popms@thegrid.net writes: << If you have the right cam for the motor, you have the right cam! Doug Odom in big ditch >> Right on Doug! Jack /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 30 08:57:50 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:56:36 +0100 Subject: front tires has anyone on the list experience of running the goodyear 22.0x2.5-17 (tall top fuel type) front tires on a lakester or liner, if so how did they hold up etc..? Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 30 09:08:43 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:07:56 EST Subject: Re: front tires In a message dated 03/30/2001 7:58:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, paul.blandavon@btinternet.com writes: << has anyone on the list experience of running the goodyear 22.0x2.5-17 (tall top fuel type) front tires on a lakester or liner, if so how did they hold up etc..? Paul. >> Paul, They are OK under about 220 in the original factory condition. Beyond that the guys seem to prefer shaving the excess tread to reduce their inherent problem of centrifugal force and Long-Course generated heat causing the tread to separate from the casing. I ran mine to between 180 & 195 for years and never had a problem. Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 30 11:39:41 2001 From: Dick J To: Keith Turk , land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:39:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Spark Plugs Keith , Are you still using a Fram fuel filter? What is the part number on the spin-on cannister? I have a complete remote system that I need to find a replacement cannister for, and then I'll be right in the fuel filtering business. tsk tsk Thanks Dick J Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 30 19:23:06 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:22:23 EST Subject: dial-a-jet List, I got a Kinser dial-a-jet which has chambers for 8 jets. About what size jets would I need for a 301 chevy on gas. Also how do you keep the gas lines out of the inside of the car when you use one of these? If I mount it on the dash the fuel lines would come thru the fire wall which can"t be good. Do people make some kind of extension and run this rod thru the fire wall to operate the dial-a-jet? Thanks Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Fri Mar 30 20:55:57 2001 From: "Nafzger" To: , Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:57:59 -0700 Subject: Re: dial-a-jet Larry Mac, Typically they are used on sprint cars and mounted on the dash. Most of these guys run the fuel pump off the back of the camshaft which puts it and all the hoses in the cockpit with them anyhow. Bonneville is a whole problem. I would think a remote control of some would be required. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: dial-a-jet > List, I got a Kinser dial-a-jet which has chambers for 8 jets. About what > size jets would I need for a 301 chevy on gas. Also how do you keep the gas > lines out of the inside of the car when you use one of these? If I mount it > on the dash the fuel lines would come thru the fire wall which can"t be good. > Do people make some kind of extension and run this rod thru the fire wall to > operate the dial-a-jet? > Thanks Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 06:16:52 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:16:13 EST Subject: Re: dial-a-jet In a message dated 3/30/01 9:56:44 PM Central Standard Time, nafzger@vtc.net writes: << Larry Mac, Typically they are used on sprint cars and mounted on the dash. Most of these guys run the fuel pump off the back of the camshaft which puts it and all the hoses in the cockpit with them anyhow. Bonneville is a whole problem. I would think a remote control of some would be required. Howard >> Howard After going thru the rule book again I have found a place in the rules that says a fuel line can be run in the cockpit as long as it is steel or steel braided. A remote still looks like the best deal. Thanks Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 08:54:21 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "landspeed@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:52:38 -0800 Subject: maxton Weather forecast for Sunday is rain. Sure hope it can bypass them and get the event over. Glen /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 11:37:06 2001 From: "paul bland" To: Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:37:02 +0100 Subject: spirit of the salt Just read the "spirit of the salt" article on landracing.com, for me personally a good read which makes me more determined than ever to build my liner and ship out to Bonneville, it's a long way from Britain but I'll do it in the end, one thing that made me wonder, it says Don Garlits is a "twoclub" member I didn't know this (forgive my ignorance) can someone tell me when "big" did this and in what, Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 11:59:46 2001 From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com To: speedtimer@charter.net, saltracer@awwwsome.com, wspotter@jps.net, Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:59:05 EST Subject: THE LAST PRE - WW II INDY DRIVER GONE - - - - - Glen, Tom, Wes, and Doug, I wondered if any of you remember a former ( SCTA or AAA or USAC ??? ) official at Bonneville, by the name of George Connor ? Mr. Connor died this past Thursday, in Hesperia, CA , at the age of 94, and apparently is the last of the Indy 500 racedrivers who had competed at that famed oval prior to World War II . His best pre-war finish was ninth in 1937, and his best overall 500 finish was third place, in 1949 . His final appearance at Indianapolis was in 1952, when he finished in eighth position . He retired from racing in 1954 at the age of 48, and took a job with the Ford Motor Company, and his obituary gave no dates or details on his position at any events held on the Bonneville Salt Flats ....... merely stating he had been an official there . Do any of you senior salt guys recall this gentleman ? Having been born around 1906 or 1907, he certainly grew up in ..... and was a part of ..... the great era of the American automobile's evolution and the wonderful racing that sprang from it ! He must have been an old timer with thousands of great memories and racing stories !!! Anybody on the list know him or work with him in years gone by ??? He is now a permanent part of the Racing History of The Twentieth Century ...... Let' s hope he has some great bench racing with the MANY, MANY other racers, famous or not, that went before him ....... Bruce Ferguson /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 12:11:11 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: "paul bland" , Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:09:32 -0800 Subject: Re: spirit of the salt Paul Don Garlits became a member in 1988 at a speed of 217.947 mph driving a supercharges flathead powered streamliner, This liner is still active today and I believe it has an Ardun in it. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul bland" To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: spirit of the salt > Just read the "spirit of the salt" article on landracing.com, for me > personally a good read which makes me more determined than ever to build my > liner and ship out to Bonneville, it's a long way from Britain but I'll do it > in the end, one thing that made me wonder, it says Don Garlits is a "twoclub" > member I didn't know this (forgive my ignorance) can someone tell me when > "big" did this and in what, > Paul. /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 12:38:51 2001 From: "Thomas E. Bryant" To: LGMCAFEE@aol.com Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:40:56 -0800 Subject: Re: dial-a-jet Larry, I mount my jet box at the upper left front of the engine, it is controlled by a handle inside the car with a 3/16" rod between the handle and the jet box. Works great for me. As to the range of jets, it depends on the nozzle size, fuel tank mounting, pump pressure, etc. My fuel tank is mounted to give gravity flow to the pump, I run a Hilborn "0" pump with no relief valve and, at present, my jets range from 0.134 to 0.148. This should be a good place to start. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC LGMCAFEE@aol.com wrote: > List, I got a Kinser dial-a-jet which has chambers for 8 jets. About what > size jets would I need for a 301 chevy on gas. Also how do you keep the gas > lines out of the inside of the car when you use one of these? If I mount it > on the dash the fuel lines would come thru the fire wall which can"t be good. > Do people make some kind of extension and run this rod thru the fire wall to > operate the dial-a-jet? > Thanks Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 13:05:42 2001 From: "Doug Anderson" To: paul.blandavon@btinternet.com, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:05:24 -0000 Subject: Re: spirit of the salt Yah Paul,.... "Dirty Doug" here,in New Yawk I wuz there when he done it. 1989 it was..... -in Swamp Rat 33; -a FLATHEAD powered streamliner built for him by some fellers in Lincoln Nebraska. As you'd expect it was black.... I believe it was supercharged. It also ran with an Ardun too ( I think ???) She ran nice. Sounded sooooo good. Believe it has run since, and was rolled, and repaired to run again another day. Maybe some others can fill in more blanks. The day he set those records,I got to speak with him again, and (what really made my day.....was; ) at the same time,I got to meet and chat a little with Howard Johannson of HOWARD'S CAMS fame (who's now since gone on to the speedway in the sky GOD BLESS him) Those two innovators seemed to naturally gravitate towards one another..... and I took a photo of them right then -I'll have to look thru all my momentos some day and see if I can't find it! A special time. A special place. Special people. that's my story an' I'm stickin' toit. I can't hardly wait to go back. cheers, "Dirty Doug" ( who's sure glad he made the extra effort to attend the 50th..... -cross country in my chopped n' channeled '31 Ford cou'pe ! - an' we gonna do dat agin too -so there! ) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "paul bland" Subject: spirit of the salt Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 Just read the "spirit of the salt" article on landracing.com, for me personally a good read which makes me more determined than ever to build my liner and ship out to Bonneville, it's a long way from Britain but I'll do it in the end, one thing that made me wonder, it says Don Garlits is a "twoclub" member I didn't know this (forgive my ignorance) can someone tell me when "big" did this and in what, Paul. _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 14:02:36 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:02:14 EST Subject: Re: spirit of the salt & Don Garlits In a message dated 3/31/2001 10:38:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, paul.blandavon@btinternet.com writes: > it says Don Garlits is a "twoclub" > member I didn't know this (forgive my ignorance) can someone tell me when > "big" did this and in what, > Paul. > Paul, Garlits was a sponsor and co-driver of the Swamp Rat XX/BGS liner out of Lincoln, NE in (I believe) 1988. It was powered by our own "Hayseed" Dave Thomsson's (hope I got the spelling right Dave) Ardun converted Flatty. Dave can tell us the exact speed they made, running several XF & XX (now XXF) engine classes. Hayseed is still a regular record setter at Speed Week. We traded classes in 2000 and he upped one of his STR records.....................Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 15:22:50 2001 From: "glen barrett" To: , , , Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:21:02 -0800 Subject: Re: THE LAST PRE - WW II INDY DRIVER GONE - - - - - Bruce I looked through some of the early 50s programs and could not find his name mentioned. I didn't spend to much time as the honey do boss was cracking the whip today. Getting the motor home ready for the race season etc. Man, the days are to few and to short. Maybe Tom remembers him. It's so hard to remember someone that far back if one is not associated with them. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: THE LAST PRE - WW II INDY DRIVER GONE - - - - - > Glen, Tom, Wes, and Doug, I wondered if any of you remember a > former ( SCTA or AAA or USAC ??? ) official at Bonneville, by the name > of George Connor ? Mr. Connor died this past Thursday, in Hesperia, CA , > at the age of 94, and apparently is the last of the Indy 500 racedrivers > who had competed at that famed oval prior to World War II . > His best pre-war finish was ninth in 1937, and his best overall 500 > finish was third place, in 1949 . His final appearance at Indianapolis > was in 1952, when he finished in eighth position . He retired from > racing in 1954 at the age of 48, and took a job with the Ford Motor > Company, and his obituary gave no dates or details on his position > at any events held on the Bonneville Salt Flats ....... merely stating > he had been an official there . Do any of you senior salt guys recall > this gentleman ? Having been born around 1906 or 1907, he certainly > grew up in ..... and was a part of ..... the great era of the American > automobile's evolution and the wonderful racing that sprang from it ! > He must have been an old timer with thousands of great memories > and racing stories !!! Anybody on the list know him or work > with him in years gone by ??? > He is now a permanent part of the Racing History of > The Twentieth Century ...... > Let' s hope he has some great bench racing with the MANY, MANY > other racers, famous or not, that went before him ....... > > Bruce Ferguson /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 17:07:07 2001 From: William T Smith To: glen barrett Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:06:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re:DATA LOGGERS - - - - - I am looking for comments and experience with Data LOggers. Any comments pro or con would be APPRECIATED!! WmTS /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 18:27:16 2001 From: "Doug Anderson" To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:26:56 -0000 Subject: 10 things There are only 10 things in this world you need to fix any car, any place, any time. 1. Duct Tape: Not just a tool, a veritable Swiss Army knife in stickum and plastic. It's safety wire, body material, radiator hose, upholstery, insulation, tow rope, and more - in an easy to carry package. Sure, there's prejudice surrounding duct tape in professional competitions, but in the real world, everything from LeMans-winning Porsches to Atlas rockets and attack-helicopters use it by the yard. The only thing that can get you out of more scrapes is a quarter and a phone booth. 2. Vise-Grips: Equally adept as a wrench, hammer, pliers, baling wire twister, breaker-off of frozen bolts and wiggle-it-til-it-falls-off tool. The heavy artillery of your tool box, vice grips are the only tool designed expressly to fix things screwed up beyond repair. 3. Spray Lubricants: A considerably cheaper alternative to new doors, alternator, and other squeaky items. Slicker than pig phlegm, repeated soakings will allow the main hull bolts of the Andrea Doria to be removed by hand. Strangely enough, an integral part of these sprays is the infamous Little Red Tube that flies out of the nozzle if you look at it cross eyed (one of the 10 worst tools of all time). 4. Margarine Tubs with Clear Lids: If you spend all your time under the hood looking for a frendle pin that caromed off the pertal valve when you knocked both off the air cleaner, it's because you eat butter. Real mechanics consume pounds of tasteless vegetable oil replicas just so they can use the empty tubs for parts containers afterward. (Some of course chuck the butter-colored goo altogether or use it to repack wheel bearings.) Unlike air cleaners and radiator lips, margarine tubs aren't connected by a time/space wormhole to the Parallel Universe of Lost Frendle Pins. 5. Big Rock at the Side of the Road: Block up a tire. Smack corroded battery terminals. Pound out a dent. Bop noisy know-it-all types on the noodle. Scientists have yet to develop a hammer that packs the raw banging power of granite or limestone. This is the only tool with which a "Made in Malaysia" emblem is not synonymous with the user being maimed. 6. Plastic Zip Ties: After 20 years of lashing down stray hose and wiring with old bread ties, some genius brought a slightly slicked-up version to the auto parts market. Fifteen zip ties can transform a hulking mass of amateur-quality wiring from a working model of the Brazilian Rain Forest into something remotely resembling a wiring harness. Of course it works both ways. When buying a used car, subtract $100 for each zip tie you find under the hood. 7. Ridiculously Large Craftsman Screwdriver: Let's admit it. There's nothing better for prying, chiseling, lifting, breaking, splitting or mutilating than a huge flatbladed screwdriver, particularly when wielded with gusto and a big hammer. This is also the tool of choice for all oil filters so insanely located that they can only be removed by driving a stake in one side and out the other. If you break the screwdriver -- and you will just like Dad and your shop teacher said -- who cares, it has a lifetime guarantee. 8. Baling Wire: Commonly known as MG muffler brackets, baling wire holds anything that's too hot for tape or ties. Like duct tape, it's not recommended for NASCAR contenders, since it works so well you'll never need to replace it with the right thing again. Baling wire is a sentimental favorite in some circles, particularly with the Pinto, Gremlin, and Rambler set. 9. Bonking Stick: This monstrous tuning fork with devilish pointy ends is technically known as a tie-rod separator, but how often do you separate tie-rod ends? Once every decade if you're lucky. Other than medieval combat, its real use is the all-purpose application of undue force, not unlike that of the huge flat-bladed screwdriver. Nature doesn't know the bent metal panel or frozen exhaust pipe that can stand up to a good bonking stick. (Can also be use to separate tie-rod ends in a pinch, of course, but does a lousy job of it). 10. A Quarter and a Phone Booth: See tip #1 above. * If it won't go - force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway.... _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 19:01:26 2001 From: "JOHN BACKUS" <34ford@msn.com> To: "kturk" , "ddahlgren" , Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:16:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Engine Turned Aluminum Keith, NO question is stupid if you need to know. Engine turning is best done on a drill press, use those small round sanding discs that are made for die grinders. You can set up a straight edge to guide you, if it is straight, and just swirl overlapping by 1/2 the dia. It is easy and I think it looks great! John Backus ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Turk Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:31 PM To: Dave Dahlgren; JERRY FOSTER Cc: LSR Group Subject: Engine Turned Aluminum Hey guys speaking of metal.... how was the old Engine turned aluminum or stainless actually done? what did they use to create the swirls? and how do you think they indexed it to get the patterns right? I know it sounds like a stupid question.... but I honestly don't know and it was used a bunch on older cars and I even seem to remember some old Bonneville cars with Engine turned stuff on them..... Just an odd ball question Keith... ----------
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/// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 19:07:08 2001 From: "Doug Anderson" To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 02:06:37 -0000 Subject: Winders 2000 alert Dear Consumers: It has come to our attention that a few copies of the WINDOWS 2000 -SOUTHERN EDITION may have accidentally been shipped outside the South. If you have recieved one of these editions, you may need help understanding the commands. The Southern edition may be recognized by the unique opening screen.It reads: WINDERS 2000, with a background picture of General Robert E. Lee superimposed on a Confederate flag. It is shipped with a standard Dukes of Hazzard screen saver and a Jack Daniels desktop image. To avoid confusion, please also note: -The Recycle Bin is labeled "Outhouse" -My Computer is called "This Dern Contraption" -Dial up Networking is called "Good Ol' Boys" -Control Panel is known as the "The Dashboard" -Hard Drive is referred to as "4 Wheel Drive" -Floppies are "them little ol plastic disc thangs" and, instead of an error message, a "garbage bag and roll of duct tape" will appear on your screen. FURTHER CHANGES IN TERMINOLOGY IN THE SOUTHERN EDITION: > > OK . . . . . . . ats aw-right > Cancel . . . . . stopdat > >Reset . . . . . try er agin > Yes . . . . . . yep > No . . . . . >. . noop > Find . . . . . . hunt fer it > Go to. . . . . . over >yonder > Back . . . . . . back yonder > Help . . . . . . hep me out >here > Stop . . . . . . kwitit > Start . . . . . crank er up > >Settings . . . . settins > Programs . . ... stuff at duz stuff > >Documents . . .. stuff ah done did Also please note that the 2000 SOUTHERN EDITION does not recognize capital letters or any punctuation marks. Furthermore, some programs are exclusive to Winders 2000: > > Tiperiter . . . . . .. A word processing program > colerin book >. . . . . a graphics program > cyferin mersheen . ....calculator > >outhouse paper . . ....notepad > iner-net . . . . . . . Microsoft >Explorer 4.0 > pichers . . . . . . . .A graphics viewer We regret any inconvenience we'uns may have caused you'all if you received a copy of the SOUTHERN EDITION. Iffen ya'llll cain't get aholt offit too gud, ya'alll may return it to Micra soft fer a replacement. sorry fer anny in-con-veeenyence, I hope this helps y'all! BillyBob Gates _________________________________________________________________ /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 19:20:40 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:20:21 EST Subject: Jets Tom thanks for the information on the jet sizes, this will get me in the ball park I'm sure. The reach rod looks like the best set up to me also. Thanks Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 19:34:32 2001 From: LGMCAFEE@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:34:00 EST Subject: EGT How many exhaust gas temperature probes do you need and what cylinders do you install them on in a small block chevy with Hilborn injection. I bet you all will be glad when I stop asking all these questions!! Thanks again. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 21:00:50 2001 From: Want1937hd@aol.com To: FastmetalBDF@aol.com, speedtimer@charter.net, saltracer@awwwsome.com, Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:00:20 EST Subject: Re: THE LAST PRE - WW II INDY DRIVER GONE - - - - - Bruce, I was saddened to learn of George Connors passing. I got to meet hin in 1974 or 75 when I was in California on vacation. I had him sign my copy of the Jack Fox book " The Indianapolis 500". He was a very nice guy, who drove the Blue Crown cars after WWII. Bob in Connecticut /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 21:15:26 2001 From: Skip & Joyce Higginbotham To: LGMCAFEE@aol.com, Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:16:38 -0600 Subject: Re: EGT Hi Larry, If you want to know what's going on with your engine, I would suggest that you use 8 probes and put one of them in each pipe. That way, you will have a current handle on the entire engine. Good luck, Skip H At 08:34 PM 3/31/01 , you wrote: >How many exhaust gas temperature probes do you need and what cylinders do you >install them on in a small block chevy with Hilborn injection. I bet you all >will be glad when I stop asking all these questions!! Thanks again. Larry Mac /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// From land-speed-owner@autox.team.net Sat Mar 31 23:29:43 2001 From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com To: land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 01:29:02 EST Subject: Re: DATA LOGGERS - - - - - In a message dated 3/31/2001 4:07:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, WmTSmith@landracing.com writes: > I am looking for comments and experience with Data > LOggers. Any comments pro or con would be APPRECIATED!! > WmTS > > Bill, There are a few crews that use data loggers and feel that they are a help. The NHRA guys use them extensively. In my case I found that it takes one extra crew member I don't have in the first place to download and log the data.....................Ardun Doug King /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list ///