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It looks like your biggest threat is mice chewing through the ropes.=C2=A0 =
When that happens you can change to braided steel cables.
Dave=20
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Thank for the =E2=80=9CReal Life=E2=80=9D answer Jim.=C2=A0 That reassuranc=
e was kind-of what I was looking for.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m using four Eye Lag =
Bolts to pick up the four =E2=80=9Ccorners=E2=80=9D of the canoe, not for t=
he weight capacity. Each of these Lag Bolts has a pretty aggressive thread.=
=C2=A0I can lose one rope and not suffer any consequences, or one front an=
d one back.=C2=A0 Kind of like lashing the canoe to the roof of the car.=C2=
=A0 I tie four ropes there also, so I can lose any two and not have a catas=
trophe.=C2=A0 That being said, I=E2=80=99ve never had a rope come off.=C2=
=A0 Occasionally one loosens, but nothing worse. =C2=A0=C2=A0
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=C2=A0
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With regard to removal/stowage, the car will not be under the canoe during =
those adventures!!! No bungees or nets, as there will be four separate rope=
s securing from and individual thwart through Eye Bolt to a tie off.=C2=A0 =
Two ropes on each end of the canoe, one on each side of the boat and each s=
ecured separately.=C2=A0 I can lower one end at a time pretty easily.
=20
=C2=A0
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Thanks again for the guidance and reassurance on installing the Eye Lug Bol=
ts!!!
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=C2=A0
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Jack
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From: Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2025 4:37 PM
To: Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live.com>
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
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=C2=A0
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I have always drilled the holes for big threads just like this to be as clo=
se to the shank diameter as possible without going over. Too small and you =
risk splitting the wood and losing a ton of grip. All 200#s of me has been =
able to hang from each one as long as I can hold myself up there and it has=
laughed at me. Two would be fine. You are roughly 10,000 times more likely=
to drop it during removal/stowage. Have a backup plan (bungees? net?) for =
when it happens then.
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=C2=A0
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jim
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On Jul 27, 2025, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live.com> wrote:
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Team,
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I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside.=C2=A0 The best pl=
ace to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, OVER a ca=
r, so I want to be sure I get this right.=C2=A0 I have 4, 5/16=E2=80=9D Eye=
Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling.=C2=A0 One end of the rope will =
terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and the ot=
her end suspending the canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts.=C2=A0 It overdesigned, =
but it=E2=80=99s hanging over a car I cherish.=C2=A0
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=C2=A0
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My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16th=C2=A0Eye Lag bolt.=C2=A0 I am =
screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new 2x4=E2=80=99s, s=
o I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side and u=
se soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction of installing them.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
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=C2=A0
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I=E2=80=99m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in =
mind that while the load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical hanging arrangem=
ent.
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=C2=A0
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Thanks in advance,
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=C2=A0
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Jack
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=C2=A0
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p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.=C2=A0 We had a home with thre=
e car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of storage =
room.=C2=A0 I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an attached =
single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph =
cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench.=C2=A0 I do have some basement storage=
too.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m using a lot more vertical storage and it=E2=80=99s =
getting there=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
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=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">It looks like your biggest threat is mice ch=
ewing through the ropes. When that happens you can change to braided =
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Thank for the =E2=80=9CReal Life=E2=80=9D answer Jim. Tha=
t reassurance was kind-of what I was looking for. I=E2=80=99m using f=
our Eye Lag Bolts to pick up the four =E2=80=9Ccorners=E2=80=9D of the cano=
e, not for the weight capacity.
Each of these Lag Bolts has a pretty aggressive thread. I can lose o=
ne rope and not suffer any consequences, or one front and one back. K=
ind of like lashing the canoe to the roof of the car. I tie four rope=
s there also, so I can lose any two and not have
a catastrophe. That being said, I=E2=80=99ve never had a rope come o=
ff. Occasionally one loosens, but nothing worse. </span><=
/p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">With regard to removal/stowage, the car will not be under the c=
anoe during those adventures!!! No bungees or nets, as there will be four s=
eparate ropes securing from and individual thwart through
Eye Bolt to a tie off. Two ropes on each end of the canoe, one on ea=
ch side of the boat and each secured separately. I can lower one end =
at a time pretty easily.
</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Thanks again for the guidance and reassurance on installing the=
Eye Lug Bolts!!!</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Jack</span></p>=20
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ans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
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401yqt4811425853"><div>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 27, 2025 4:37 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live.com><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> shop-talk@autox.team.net<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span></=
p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"> </p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal">I have always drilled the ho=
les for big threads just like this to be as close to the shank diameter as =
possible without going over. Too small and you risk splitting the wood and =
losing a ton of grip. All 200#s of me has been able to hang
from each one as long as I can hold myself up there and it has laughed at =
me. Two would be fine. You are roughly 10,000 times more likely to drop it =
during removal/stowage. Have a backup plan (bungees? net?) for when it happ=
ens then.</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"> </p>=20
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401yqt4811425853"><p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal">jim</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal">On Jul 27, 2025, at 4:26 PM,=
Jack Brooks <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live.com"; rel=3D=
"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">jibrooks@live.com</a>> wrote:</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"> </p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Team,</span></p>=20
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ans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside. =
The best place to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceilin=
g, OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this right. I
have 4, 5/16=E2=80=9D Eye Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling. =
One end of the rope will terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall o=
r more eyebolts and the other end suspending the canoe via the Eye Lag Bolt=
s. It overdesigned, but it=E2=80=99s hanging over a
car I cherish. </span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</sup><span cl=
ass=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401apple-converted-space"> </span>Eye Lag =
bolt. I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new=
2x4=E2=80=99s, so I am thinking
the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side and use soap or para=
ffin to help reduce the friction of installing them. <span class=3D"yd=
p572c6cfayiv2915023401apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>=20
</div>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">I=E2=80=99m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole,=
keeping in mind that while the load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical hang=
ing arrangement.</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Thanks in advance,</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
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ans-serif;">Jack</span></p>=20
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ans-serif;">p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare. We had a ho=
me with three car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons=
of storage room. I am forcing everything into a two bay
garage with an attached single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our d=
aily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench. I do h=
ave some basement storage too. I=E2=80=99m using a lot more vertical =
storage and it=E2=80=99s getting there=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6</span></p=
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