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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I used a very similar setup to pull bicycle=
s to the ceiling but I had large hooks screwed into framing to hang the whee=
ls from once up there. You might be able to create some D-rings or snap hook=
s on the ceiling to support the canoe while storing. <div><br></div><di=
v>Peace, Pat</div><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D=
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v></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 28, 2025, at 4:05=E2=80=AFPM, Jack Brook=
s <JIBrooks@live.com> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-s=
erif">I=E2=80=99ve considered installing steel cables and only using the rop=
es to haul the canoe up to them, but I=E2=80=99ve not yet seen a rodent near=
the new home, so for now I=E2=80=99m running with just ropes. The
canoe will be stored upside down, so that if something does manage to drop i=
nto the canoe, which is a synthetic material (Royalex), they won=E2=80=99t b=
e trapped and need to chew their way through it.
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 5:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>; Jack Brooks <jibr=
ooks@live.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> shop-talk@autox.team.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling<o:p></o:p=
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if">It looks like your biggest threat is mice chewing through the ropes.&nbs=
p; When that happens you can change to braided steel cables.<o:p></o:p></spa=
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vetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Sunday, July 27, 2025 at 10:49:21 P=
M CDT, Jack Brooks <<a href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live.com">jibrooks@live.co=
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pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Thank for the =E2=
=80=9CReal Life=E2=80=9D answer Jim. That reassurance was kind-of what=
I was looking for. I=E2=80=99m using four Eye Lag Bolts to pick up th=
e
four =E2=80=9Ccorners=E2=80=9D of the canoe, not for the weight capacity. E=
ach of these Lag Bolts has a pretty aggressive thread. I can lose one r=
ope and not suffer any consequences, or one front and one back. Kind o=
f like lashing the canoe to the roof of the car. I tie
four ropes there also, so I can lose any two and not have a catastrophe.&nb=
sp; That being said, I=E2=80=99ve never had a rope come off. Occasiona=
lly one loosens, but nothing worse. </span><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p>=
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">With regard to re=
moval/stowage, the car will not be under the canoe during those adventures!!=
! No bungees or nets, as there will be four
separate ropes securing from and individual thwart through Eye Bolt to a ti=
e off. Two ropes on each end of the canoe, one on each side of the boa=
t and each secured separately. I can lower one end at a time pretty ea=
sily.
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Thanks again for t=
he guidance and reassurance on installing the Eye Lug Bolts!!!</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:=
#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:</span></=
b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;c=
olor:#26282A"> Jim Franklin <<a href=3D"mailto:jamesf@groupwbench.org">ja=
mesf@groupwbench.org</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 27, 2025 4:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks <<a href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live.com">jibrooks@liv=
e.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.=
net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;co=
lor:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I have always=
drilled the holes for big threads just like this to be as close to the shan=
k diameter as possible without going over.
Too small and you risk splitting the wood and losing a ton of grip. All 200=
#s of me has been able to hang from each one as long as I can hold myself up=
there and it has laughed at me. Two would be fine. You are roughly 10,000 t=
imes more likely to drop it during
removal/stowage. Have a backup plan (bungees? net?) for when it happens the=
n.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Jul 27, 20=
25, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brooks <<a href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live.com" target=3D=
"_blank">jibrooks@live.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I recently moved a=
nd can no longer keep my canoe outside. The best place to store this 7=
5 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling,
OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this right. I have 4, 5/16=E2=80=
=9D Eye Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling. One end of the rope=
will terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and t=
he other end suspending the canoe via the Eye
Lag Bolts. It overdesigned, but it=E2=80=99s hanging over a car I che=
rish. </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetic=
a",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">My question is th=
e pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</sup><span class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv291502340=
1apple-converted-space"> </span>Eye Lag bolt.
I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new 2x4=E2=80=99=
s, so I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side an=
d use soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction of installing them. =
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pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I=E2=80=99m looki=
ng for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind that while th=
e load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical hanging arrangement.</span><span st=
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een a rearranging nightmare. We had a home with three car bays and a 6=
foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of
storage room. I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an a=
ttached single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two T=
riumph cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench. I do have some basement s=
torage too. I=E2=80=99m using a lot more vertical
storage and it=E2=80=99s getting there=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6</span><sp=
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