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Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling

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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
From: Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 16:58:43 -0500
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I used a very similar setup to pull bicycle=
s to the ceiling but I had large hooks screwed into framing to hang the whee=
ls from once up there. You might be able to create some D-rings or snap hook=
s on the ceiling to support the canoe while storing.&nbsp;<div><br></div><di=
v>Peace, Pat</div><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></di=
v></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 28, 2025, at 4:05=E2=80=AFPM, Jack Brook=
s &lt;JIBrooks@live.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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erif">Dave,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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erif">I=E2=80=99ve considered installing steel cables and only using the rop=
es to haul the canoe up to them, but I=E2=80=99ve not yet seen a rodent near=
 the new home, so for now I=E2=80=99m running with just ropes.&nbsp; The
 canoe will be stored upside down, so that if something does manage to drop i=
nto the canoe, which is a synthetic material (Royalex), they won=E2=80=99t b=
e trapped and need to chew their way through it.&nbsp;
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erif">Thanks assuming you just didn=E2=80=99t forget to include a smiley fac=
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erif">Jack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> DAVID MASSEY &lt;dave1massey@cs.c=
om&gt;
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 5:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jim Franklin &lt;jamesf@groupwbench.org&gt;; Jack Brooks &lt;jibr=
ooks@live.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> shop-talk@autox.team.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling<o:p></o:p=
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if">It looks like your biggest threat is mice chewing through the ropes.&nbs=
p; When that happens you can change to braided steel cables.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Sunday, July 27, 2025 at 10:49:21 P=
M CDT, Jack Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live.com";>jibrooks@live.co=
m</a>&gt; wrote:
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Thank for the =E2=
=80=9CReal Life=E2=80=9D answer Jim.&nbsp; That reassurance was kind-of what=
 I was looking for.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m using four Eye Lag Bolts to pick up th=
e
 four =E2=80=9Ccorners=E2=80=9D of the canoe, not for the weight capacity. E=
ach of these Lag Bolts has a pretty aggressive thread. &nbsp;I can lose one r=
ope and not suffer any consequences, or one front and one back.&nbsp; Kind o=
f like lashing the canoe to the roof of the car.&nbsp; I tie
 four ropes there also, so I can lose any two and not have a catastrophe.&nb=
sp; That being said, I=E2=80=99ve never had a rope come off.&nbsp; Occasiona=
lly one loosens, but nothing worse. &nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p>=
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or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">With regard to re=
moval/stowage, the car will not be under the canoe during those adventures!!=
! No bungees or nets, as there will be four
 separate ropes securing from and individual thwart through Eye Bolt to a ti=
e off.&nbsp; Two ropes on each end of the canoe, one on each side of the boa=
t and each secured separately.&nbsp; I can lower one end at a time pretty ea=
sily.
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s-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Thanks again for t=
he guidance and reassurance on installing the Eye Lug Bolts!!!</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Jack</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:</span></=
b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:#26282A"> Jim Franklin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jamesf@groupwbench.org";>ja=
mesf@groupwbench.org</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 27, 2025 4:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live.com";>jibrooks@liv=
e.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net";>shop-talk@autox.team.=
net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">I have always=
 drilled the holes for big threads just like this to be as close to the shan=
k diameter as possible without going over.
 Too small and you risk splitting the wood and losing a ton of grip. All 200=
#s of me has been able to hang from each one as long as I can hold myself up=
 there and it has laughed at me. Two would be fine. You are roughly 10,000 t=
imes more likely to drop it during
 removal/stowage. Have a backup plan (bungees? net?) for when it happens the=
n.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">jim<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
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if;color:#26282A"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Jul 27, 20=
25, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live.com"; target=3D=
"_blank">jibrooks@live.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;<o:p></=
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Team,</span><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">I recently moved a=
nd can no longer keep my canoe outside.&nbsp; The best place to store this 7=
5 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling,
 OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this right.&nbsp; I have 4, 5/16=E2=80=
=9D Eye Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling.&nbsp; One end of the rope=
 will terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and t=
he other end suspending the canoe via the Eye
 Lag Bolts.&nbsp; It overdesigned, but it=E2=80=99s hanging over a car I che=
rish.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetic=
a&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">My question is th=
e pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</sup><span class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv291502340=
1apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Eye Lag bolt.&nbsp;
 I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new 2x4=E2=80=99=
s, so I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side an=
d use soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction of installing them.&nbsp;=
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">I=E2=80=99m looki=
ng for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind that while th=
e load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical hanging arrangement.</span><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#=
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Thanks in advance=
,</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Jack</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
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