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One more thing: the lines don't stay in the pulleys.
If I had to do it again, I'd build that system with better pulleys.
If you use the hook and pulley set up from horriblefreight, make sure that =
you add a back up to the hooks. They turned out to not be enough for (one o=
f) the bikes I used to hang above my Datsun. Fortunately, when one came dow=
n the Datto was not in the garage.
________________________________
ks@live.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2025 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
Brian,
That=92s a nice setup. I may grab a pair for our bicycles and see if I am c=
omfortable with their strength relative to the canoe or if I need to build =
my own similarly. If I am comfortable lifting with this setup, I could hav=
e pre-installed cables to support the boat during storage.
Thanks!
Jack
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2025 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
Jack - To store my 50lb kayak at my previous house, I had a hoist setup alo=
ng the lines of the link below, but with separate ropes for the bow and ste=
rn off to the side.
https://www.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lift-95803.html
I'd drive the car in with the kayak on the roof, attached bow and stern hoo=
ks, then pull the kayak up to the rafters. I then had a pair of straps to =
more safely hold the kayak.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Jul 27, 2025 1:34 PM
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
Team,
I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside. The best place t=
o store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, OVER a car, so=
I want to be sure I get this right. I have 4, 5/16=94 Eye Lag Bolts that =
are going into the ceiling. One end of the rope will terminate at either a=
set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and the other end suspending th=
e canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts. It overdesigned, but it=92s hanging over a =
car I cherish.
My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16th Eye Lag bolt. I am screwing t=
hem vertically up into the ceiling=92s new 2x4=92s, so I am thinking the pi=
lot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side and use soap or paraffin to=
help reduce the friction of installing them.
I=92m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind t=
hat while the load is light, it=92s a vertical hanging arrangement.
Thanks in advance,
Jack
p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare. We had a home with three car=
bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of storage room.=
I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an attached single wid=
e, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sp=
rinter van and a workbench. I do have some basement storage too. I=92m us=
ing a lot more vertical storage and it=92s getting there=85=85=85
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If you use the hook and pulley set up from horriblefreight, make sure that =
you add a back up to the hooks. They turned out to not be enough for (one o=
f) the bikes I used to hang above my Datsun. Fortunately, when one came dow=
n the Datto was not in the garage. </div>
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11pt;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk
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_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWA5521a8e4-155f-f4bc-a951-3af165=
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nbsp;on
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olor: blue;" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWA0d0b98d=
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ks@live.com></a></u></span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue;"=
class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWA6d7decac-d2ad-92=
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tox.team.net</a></u></span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue;" class=3D"x=
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<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Brian, </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">That=92s a nice setup. I =
may grab a pair for our bicycles and see if I am comfortable with their str=
ength relative to the canoe or if I need
to build my own similarly. If I am comfortable lifting with this set=
up, I could have pre-installed cables to support the boat during storage.</=
span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thanks!</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Jack</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:=
</b> Brian Kemp
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px=
;" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWA8922f93b-1402-bd7=
6-eeaf-032b364c1146" href=3D"mailto:bk13@earthlink.net";><bk13@earthlink.=
net></a></u></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font=
-size: 11pt;"><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks </span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, san=
s-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue; margin-=
top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink=
" id=3D"OWA5729f183-a907-7e0e-c895-c7a519348c95" href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@li=
ve.com"><jibrooks@live.com></a></u></span><span style=3D"font-family:=
Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">;
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px=
;" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWA0400bd67-4ab0-=
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f; font-size: 11pt;"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</sp=
an></p>
</div>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">Jack - To store my 50lb kayak at my pr=
evious house, I had a hoist setup along the lines of the link below, but wi=
th separate ropes for the bow and stern
off to the side.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;"> </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bott=
om: 0px;" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAA=
utoLink" id=3D"OWA1701091b-be91-3917-611a-78774c16205c" href=3D"https://www=
.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lift-95803.html">https://www.harborfreight.com/b=
icycle-lift-95803.html</a></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;"> </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;"> </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;">I'd drive the car in with the kayak on the roof, attach=
ed bow and stern hooks, then pull the kayak up to the rafters. I then=
had a pair of straps to more safely hold
the kayak.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;"> </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;">Brian</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;"> </span></p>
<div style=3D"padding: 0in 0in 0in 11pt; border-left: 1pt solid rgb(170, 17=
0, 170);">
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">-----Original Message----=
-<br>
From: Jack Brooks <<span style=3D"color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: bl=
ue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext =
OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWA72ec19eb-54fa-46ee-0a0a-527a0c2dbcab" href=3D"mailto:=
jibrooks@live.com">jibrooks@live.com</a></u></span>><br>
Sent: Jul 27, 2025 1:34 PM<br>
To: <span style=3D"color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0p=
x; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAAutoLink" id=3D=
"OWA1e9fc2e0-a79b-0bae-d70e-6a8d7b77bb9c" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.te=
am.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a></u></span> <<span style=3D"col=
or: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;=
" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWAbf742ddb-3b53-47e5=
-5928-d42d3e0941e0" href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net";>Shop-talk@auto=
x.team.net</a></u></span>><br>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
Team,</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside. The best pl=
ace to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, OVER a ca=
r, so I want to be sure I get this right.
I have 4, 5/16=94 Eye Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling. One=
end of the rope will terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or mo=
re eyebolts and the other end suspending the canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts.&n=
bsp; It overdesigned, but it=92s hanging over
a car I cherish. </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</sup> Eye Lag bolt.&=
nbsp; I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=92s new 2x4=92s, so=
I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge
on the tighter side and use soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction o=
f installing them. </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
I=92m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind t=
hat while the load is light, it=92s a vertical hanging arrangement.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
Thanks in advance,</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
Jack</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare. We had a home with thre=
e car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of storage =
room. I am forcing everything into a two
bay garage with an attached single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold o=
ur daily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench. I =
do have some basement storage too. I=92m using a lot more vertical st=
orage and it=92s getting there=85=85=85</p>
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