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On Monday, July 28, 2025 at 03:56:16 PM CDT, Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live=
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Dave,
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I=E2=80=99ve considered installing steel cables and only using the ropes to=
haul the canoe up to them, but I=E2=80=99ve not yet seen a rodent near the=
new home, so for now I=E2=80=99m running with just ropes.=C2=A0 The canoe =
will be stored upside down, so that if something does manage to drop into t=
he canoe, which is a synthetic material (Royalex), they won=E2=80=99t be tr=
apped and need to chew their way through it.=C2=A0
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Thanks assuming you just didn=E2=80=99t forget to include a smiley face!
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Jack
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From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2025 5:14 AM
To: Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>; Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live.com>
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
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It looks like your biggest threat is mice chewing through the ropes.=C2=A0 =
When that happens you can change to braided steel cables.
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Dave
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On Sunday, July 27, 2025 at 10:49:21 PM CDT, Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live.com=
> wrote:
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Thank for the =E2=80=9CReal Life=E2=80=9D answer Jim.=C2=A0 That reassuranc=
e was kind-of what I was looking for.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m using four Eye Lag =
Bolts to pick up the four =E2=80=9Ccorners=E2=80=9D of the canoe, not for t=
he weight capacity. Each of these Lag Bolts has a pretty aggressive thread.=
=C2=A0I can lose one rope and not suffer any consequences, or one front an=
d one back.=C2=A0 Kind of like lashing the canoe to the roof of the car.=C2=
=A0 I tie four ropes there also, so I can lose any two and not have a catas=
trophe.=C2=A0 That being said, I=E2=80=99ve never had a rope come off.=C2=
=A0 Occasionally one loosens, but nothing worse. =C2=A0=C2=A0
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With regard to removal/stowage, the car will not be under the canoe during =
those adventures!!! No bungees or nets, as there will be four separate rope=
s securing from and individual thwart through Eye Bolt to a tie off.=C2=A0 =
Two ropes on each end of the canoe, one on each side of the boat and each s=
ecured separately.=C2=A0 I can lower one end at a time pretty easily.
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Thanks again for the guidance and reassurance on installing the Eye Lug Bol=
ts!!!
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Jack
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From: Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2025 4:37 PM
To: Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live.com>
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
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I have always drilled the holes for big threads just like this to be as clo=
se to the shank diameter as possible without going over. Too small and you =
risk splitting the wood and losing a ton of grip. All 200#s of me has been =
able to hang from each one as long as I can hold myself up there and it has=
laughed at me. Two would be fine. You are roughly 10,000 times more likely=
to drop it during removal/stowage. Have a backup plan (bungees? net?) for =
when it happens then.
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jim
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On Jul 27, 2025, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live.com> wrote:
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Team,
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I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside.=C2=A0 The best pl=
ace to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, OVER a ca=
r, so I want to be sure I get this right.=C2=A0 I have 4, 5/16=E2=80=9D Eye=
Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling.=C2=A0 One end of the rope will =
terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and the ot=
her end suspending the canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts.=C2=A0 It overdesigned, =
but it=E2=80=99s hanging over a car I cherish.=C2=A0
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My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16th=C2=A0Eye Lag bolt.=C2=A0 I am =
screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new 2x4=E2=80=99s, s=
o I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side and u=
se soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction of installing them.=C2=A0=
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I=E2=80=99m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in =
mind that while the load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical hanging arrangem=
ent.
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Thanks in advance,
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Jack
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p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.=C2=A0 We had a home with thre=
e car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of storage =
room.=C2=A0 I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an attached =
single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph =
cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench.=C2=A0 I do have some basement storage=
too.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m using a lot more vertical storage and it=E2=80=99s =
getting there=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
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ans-serif;">I=E2=80=99ve considered installing steel cables and only using =
the ropes to haul the canoe up to them, but I=E2=80=99ve not yet seen a rod=
ent near the new home, so for now I=E2=80=99m running with just ropes. =
; The
canoe will be stored upside down, so that if something does manage to drop=
into the canoe, which is a synthetic material (Royalex), they won=E2=80=99=
t be trapped and need to chew their way through it.
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ans-serif;">Thanks assuming you just didn=E2=80=99t forget to include a smi=
ley face!</span></p>=20
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 5:14 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>; Jack Brooks <jib=
rooks@live.com><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> shop-talk@autox.team.net<br clear=3D"none">
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9:21 PM CDT, Jack Brooks <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live=
.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">jibrooks@live.com</a>> wrote:
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Thank fo=
r the =E2=80=9CReal Life=E2=80=9D answer Jim. That reassurance was ki=
nd-of what I was looking for. I=E2=80=99m using four Eye Lag Bolts to=
pick up the
four =E2=80=9Ccorners=E2=80=9D of the canoe, not for the weight capacity. =
Each of these Lag Bolts has a pretty aggressive thread. I can lose on=
e rope and not suffer any consequences, or one front and one back. Ki=
nd of like lashing the canoe to the roof of the car. I tie
four ropes there also, so I can lose any two and not have a catastrophe.&n=
bsp; That being said, I=E2=80=99ve never had a rope come off. Occasio=
nally one loosens, but nothing worse. </span><span style=3D"fon=
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span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">With reg=
ard to removal/stowage, the car will not be under the canoe during those ad=
ventures!!! No bungees or nets, as there will be four
separate ropes securing from and individual thwart through Eye Bolt to a t=
ie off. Two ropes on each end of the canoe, one on each side of the b=
oat and each secured separately. I can lower one end at a time pretty=
easily.
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;"></span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Thanks a=
gain for the guidance and reassurance on installing the Eye Lug Bolts!!!</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Jack</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"><=
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span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26=
282A;"> Jim Franklin <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:jamesf@groupwbenc=
h.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">jamesf@groupwbench.org</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 27, 2025 4:37 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live.c=
om" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">jibrooks@live.com</a>><br clear=
=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"no=
ne">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span=
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span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I have a=
lways drilled the holes for big threads just like this to be as close to th=
e shank diameter as possible without going over.
Too small and you risk splitting the wood and losing a ton of grip. All 20=
0#s of me has been able to hang from each one as long as I can hold myself =
up there and it has laughed at me. Two would be fine. You are roughly 10,00=
0 times more likely to drop it during
removal/stowage. Have a backup plan (bungees? net?) for when it happens th=
en.</span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">On Jul 2=
7, 2025, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brooks <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:jibro=
oks@live.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">jibrooks@live.com</a>> =
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pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I recent=
ly moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside. The best place to s=
tore this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling,
OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this right. I have 4, 5/16=E2=
=80=9D Eye Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling. One end of the =
rope will terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts =
and the other end suspending the canoe via the Eye
Lag Bolts. It overdesigned, but it=E2=80=99s hanging over a car I ch=
erish. </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;c=
olor:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">My quest=
ion is the pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</sup><span class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yi=
v7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401apple-converted-space"> </span>Eye =
Lag bolt.
I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new 2x4=E2=80=
=99s, so I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter sid=
e and use soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction of installing them.&=
nbsp;<span class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401apple-c=
onverted-space"> </span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I=E2=80=
=99m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind th=
at while the load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical hanging arrangement.</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=
</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Thanks i=
n advance,</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Jack</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"><=
/span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">p.s. Mov=
ing has been a rearranging nightmare. We had a home with three car ba=
ys and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of
storage room. I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an =
attached single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two=
Triumph cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench. I do have some basemen=
t storage too. I=E2=80=99m using a lot more vertical
storage and it=E2=80=99s getting there=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span=
></p>=20
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