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Tim,
Good to know.
Thank you,
Jack
From: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2025 4:24 PM
To: Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com>; shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
If you use the hook and pulley set up from horriblefreight, make sure that =
you add a back up to the hooks. They turned out to not be enough for (one o=
f) the bikes I used to hang above my Datsun. Fortunately, when one came dow=
n the Datto was not in the garage.
________________________________
s@live.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2025 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
Brian,
That's a nice setup. I may grab a pair for our bicycles and see if I am com=
fortable with their strength relative to the canoe or if I need to build my=
own similarly. If I am comfortable lifting with this setup, I could have =
pre-installed cables to support the boat during storage.
Thanks!
Jack
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2025 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
Jack - To store my 50lb kayak at my previous house, I had a hoist setup alo=
ng the lines of the link below, but with separate ropes for the bow and ste=
rn off to the side.
https://www.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lift-95803.html
I'd drive the car in with the kayak on the roof, attached bow and stern hoo=
ks, then pull the kayak up to the rafters. I then had a pair of straps to =
more safely hold the kayak.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Jul 27, 2025 1:34 PM
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
Team,
I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside. The best place t=
o store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, OVER a car, so=
I want to be sure I get this right. I have 4, 5/16" Eye Lag Bolts that ar=
e going into the ceiling. One end of the rope will terminate at either a s=
et of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and the other end suspending the =
canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts. It overdesigned, but it's hanging over a car =
I cherish.
My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16th Eye Lag bolt. I am screwing t=
hem vertically up into the ceiling's new 2x4's, so I am thinking the pilot =
hole should be a smidge on the tighter side and use soap or paraffin to hel=
p reduce the friction of installing them.
I'm looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind tha=
t while the load is light, it's a vertical hanging arrangement.
Thanks in advance,
Jack
p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare. We had a home with three car=
bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of storage room.=
I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an attached single wid=
e, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sp=
rinter van and a workbench. I do have some basement storage too. I'm usin=
g a lot more vertical storage and it's getting there.........
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Tim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Good to know.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Jack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@ou=
tlook.com>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 4:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com>; shop-talk@autox.team.net<=
br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black">If you use the hook and pulley set up from horriblefreig=
ht, make sure that you add a back up to the hooks. They turned out to not b=
e enough for (one of) the bikes I used to hang
above my Datsun. Fortunately, when one came down the Datto was not in the =
garage. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Shop-t=
alk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net";>shop-talk-bounc=
es@autox.team.net</a>>
on behalf of Jack Brooks <<a href=3D"mailto:JIBrooks@live.com";>JIBrooks=
@live.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net";>shop-talk@autox.team=
.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net";>Shop-talk@autox.te=
am.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span> <=
o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif">Brian, </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif">That’s a nice setup. I may grab a pair for our bicycles and s=
ee if I am comfortable with their strength relative to the canoe or if I ne=
ed to build my own similarly. If I am comfortable lifting
with this setup, I could have pre-installed cables to support the boat dur=
ing storage.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif">Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif">Jack</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Brian Kemp <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:bk13@earthlink.net">bk13@earthlink.net</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks <<a href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live.com";>jibrooks@li=
ve.com</a>>;
<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net";>shop-talk@autox.team.net</a><br=
>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Jac=
k - To store my 50lb kayak at my previous house, I had a hoist setup along =
the lines of the link below, but with separate ropes for the bow and stern =
off to the side.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D"https://www.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lif=
t-95803.html">https://www.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lift-95803.html</a></sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:black">I'd drive the car in with the kayak on the roof, att=
ached bow and stern hooks, then pull the kayak up to the rafters. I t=
hen had a pair of straps to more safely hold the kayak.</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:black">Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jack Brooks <<a href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live.com";>jibrooks@live.co=
m</a>><br>
Sent: Jul 27, 2025 1:34 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net";>shop-talk@autox.team.net</a=
> <<a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net";>Shop-talk@autox.team.net<=
/a>><br>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Team,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe ou=
tside. The best place to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging fro=
m the ceiling, OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this right. I h=
ave 4, 5/16” Eye Lag Bolts that are going into
the ceiling. One end of the rope will terminate at either a set of c=
leats on the wall or more eyebolts and the other end suspending the canoe v=
ia the Eye Lag Bolts. It overdesigned, but it’s hanging over a =
car I cherish. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</=
sup> Eye Lag bolt. I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling&=
#8217;s new 2x4’s, so I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge=
on the tighter side and use soap or paraffin to help
reduce the friction of installing them. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">I’m looking for thoughts on the size of the p=
ilot hole, keeping in mind that while the load is light, it’s a verti=
cal hanging arrangement.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Jack<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare. =
We had a home with three car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspa=
ce with tons of storage room. I am forcing everything into a two bay =
garage with an attached single wide, 42 foot
deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sprinter van=
and a workbench. I do have some basement storage too. I’=
m using a lot more vertical storage and it’s getting there…R=
30;…<o:p></o:p></p>
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